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Its a good set, but from my first listen I didnt hear anything outstanding

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Originally posted by saluyamo Its a good set, but from my first listen I didnt hear anything outstanding

Curious to know what you think was an outstanding set from around the same time - circa 1995.

Digweed is the man. Always has been. Thanks for sharing, downloading now.

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Originally posted by Teezdalien Curious to know what you think was an outstanding set from around the same time - circa 1995.

Just my opinion..
Sasha 21/05/1995 essential mix
Cj Bollend 1994-11-06 Essential Mix
Jason Porter - 1995-08-xx - Promo Mix
1995-09-17 - Paul Oakenfold - Essential mix

This set is so awesome!

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Crescendo - Are You Out There There's a 20 minute version called Symphonic Variations which I'm trying to track down.

Check pms

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Originally posted by spc Check pms

Could you pm me it to please?

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Originally posted by saluyamo Just my opinion.. Sasha 21/05/1995 essential mix Cj Bollend 1994-11-06 Essential Mix Jason Porter - 1995-08-xx - Promo Mix 1995-09-17 - Paul Oakenfold - Essential mix

Sick! I'll have a look into these sets too. I really loved this set from Digweed though. Definitely the best I've heard from him.

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Originally posted by saluyamo Just my opinion.. Sasha 21/05/1995 essential mix Cj Bollend 1994-11-06 Essential Mix Jason Porter - 1995-08-xx - Promo Mix 1995-09-17 - Paul Oakenfold - Essential mix

The Sasha EM is a bomb, and as I remember you hooked me up with the second half, so thanks again for that. I think it probably is better than this Diggers one, but my problem with it has always been the ending, where Sasha gets bored of structure and just drops three really long vocal anthems in 30 minutes.

The Oakey one looks stellar from the tracklist, so I'll have a look around for that one, but the CJ Bolland tracklist doesn't mean much to me.

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Originally posted by saluyamo Just my opinion.. Sasha 21/05/1995 essential mix Cj Bollend 1994-11-06 Essential Mix Jason Porter - 1995-08-xx - Promo Mix 1995-09-17 - Paul Oakenfold - Essential mix

Hey man, any chance you can hook me up with some links? Thanks in advance.

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Originally posted by saluyamo Just my opinion.. Sasha 21/05/1995 essential mix

Yes yes yes yes yes yes and yes.

That's the one with Blue Monday right?

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Originally posted by boi85 Yes yes yes yes yes yes and yes. That's the one with Blue Monday right?

Indeed it is. The Hardfloor remix.

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Originally posted by Teezdalien Hey man, any chance you can hook me up with some links? Thanks in advance.

Sasha 21/05/95 - [[ LINK REMOVED ]]


Oakenfold 17/09/95 - [[ LINK REMOVED ]]


CJ Bolland 06/11/94 - [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

Thanks very much for these. Definitely grabbing these after reading all good stuff about them.

A great EM. Listening right now and loving it.

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Originally posted by Armitage Oakenfold 17/09/95 - [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

is that the Goa mix?

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Originally posted by Surfmorworkless is that the Goa mix?

No, the Goa Mix is from 1994. This is supposedly a live broadcast from the KU club (now Privilege), Ibiza, although a lot of people think this is a prerecorded set.

Weirdly, the MP3 won't play in Media Player, only Winamp, for me. Winamp is telling me it's 53 minutes long, so I'm guessing this is only the first half. Tracklist, from another forum:

Part 1:
01 BT � �Tripping The Light Fantastic� (Perfecto)
02 BT � �Loving You More (BT�s Garden of Ima Dub)� (Perfecto)
03 Wild Colour � �Dreams (BT�s Circadian Dream Mix)� (Perfecto)
04 Tilt � �I Dream (Tilt�s Case De Angeles Mix)� (Perfecto)
05 Quivver � �Believe In Me (Original Q Mix)� (Perfecto)
06 Grace � �Skin on Skin (Oakenfold & Osbourne�s Orange Mix)� (Perfecto)
07 Jam & Spoon � �Odyssey to Anyoona� (Sony)
08 Grace � �I Want To Live (Rollo & Sister Bliss Mix)� (Perfecto)
09 Crescendo � �Are You Out There (Original Mix)� (FFRR)
10 Remake � �Bladerunner (Replicant Mix)� (Loaded)

As you can see, Oakie was really whoring out Perfecto here. It seems in '95 he would start with the more epic house stuff from BT and Quivver from the main Perfecto label before moving into the more goa-edged Perfecto Fluoro stuff. I haven't heard the second half of this EM, but I reckon it'll be a lot more trancey than this first half.

Anyone able to provide a tracklist for Sasha's EM from '95?


Nevermind, found:


Essential Mix (1995-05-21)

BT - Trippin [Perfecto]
New Order - Blue Monday [FFrr]
Spicelab - We got Spice [Harthouses]
Peter Lazonby - Sacred Cycles [Brainiak]
Dum dum - To The Rhythm of Love [Whoop]
Up Yer Ronson - Lost in Love [Hi-Life]
Hal 9000 - Stoopid [Fresh]
BT - Divinity [Perfecto]
Blue Amazon - Star of David [Jackpot]
Mozaic - Sing Hallelujah [acetate]
BT/Quat - untitled [deConstruction]
Billy Ray Martin - Put Your Lovin Arms [East West]
Shiva - Freedom [ffrr]
BT - Loving You More [Perfecto]

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Originally posted by Chimney Anyone able to provide a tracklist for Sasha's EM from '95?

Off the top of my head:

Part 1:
1. BT - Tripping On Sunshine
2. New Order - Blue Monday (Hardfloor Remix)
3. Spicelab - We Got Spice (Humate Remix)
4. Pete Lazonby - Sacred Cycles (Jens Remix)
5. Dum Dum - One Earth Beat (Rhythm Of Life/Dream Of Life Mixes)
6. Up Yer Ronson - Lost In Love (Sasha Remix)
7. Hal 9000 - Stoopid
8. BT - Divinity

Part 2:
1. Blue Amazon - Star of David
2. Mozaic - Sing It (The Hallelujah Song) (Quivver's Dirty Dub)
3. BT & Sasha - Heart of Imagination
4. Billie Ray Martin - Your Loving Arms (Brothers In Rhythm Club Mix)
5. Shiva - Freedom (BT's Subconscious Freedom Remix)
6. BT feat. Vincent Covello - Loving You More (BT's Primordial Sound 12" Mix)

I've listened to this set so many times I've lost count. It was the set that made me realise what epic house was. I'd heard all these BT tracks that I could never categorise as house or trance and when I heard them in context I realised what was going on. I fell in love with it after this set.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Off the top of my head: Part 1: 1. BT - Tripping On Sunshine 2. New Order - Blue Monday (Hardfloor Remix) 3. Spicelab - We Got Spice (Humate Remix) 4. Pete Lazonby - Sacred Cycles (Jens Remix) 5. Dum Dum - One Earth Beat (Rhythm Of Life/Dream Of Life Mixes) 6. Up Yer Ronson - Lost In Love (Sasha Remix) 7. Hal 9000 - Stoopid 8. BT - Divinity Part 2: 1. Blue Amazon - Star of David 2. Mozaic - Sing It (The Hallelujah Song) (Quivver's Dirty Dub) 3. BT & Sasha - Heart of Imagination 4. Billie Ray Martin - Your Loving Arms (Brothers In Rhythm Club Mix) 5. Shiva - Freedom (BT's Subconscious Freedom Remix) 6. BT feat. Vincent Covello - Loving You More (BT's Primordial Sound 12" Mix) I've listened to this set so many times I've lost count. It was the set that made me realise what epic house was. I'd heard all these BT tracks that I could never categorise as house or trance and when I heard them in context I realised what was going on.

Passing the boarder of the people calling everything for "EDM", no matter how experienced one may be in the (sub)genr�s of trance and house, there is always going to be a time when one will end up in the confusion over certain elements in a track.

Personally for me, trying to figure out sub-genr�s has always been a way of testing myself as a true listener, whether or not I could see into the depth of a track.

House has never been my main speciality when it comes to detailed sub-ganr�s (of course ommittning some known styles such as progressive/electro) however I spent quite some years trying to learn as much as possible about the background, typical sounds, history and so on about all trance genr�s. Many consider this to be a waste of time, but for me, it's all about that extra notch, being able to classify a track and answering the question "what time of music do you listen to". The more you learn about a genr�, the more you have to learn about familiar styles.

Looks like I slipped a bit off-course here. Nevertheless, I always considered BT to be one of the early trance pioneers untill later on when he switches style - however of this epic house style...I'm a bit clueless.

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Originally posted by Chimney Looks like I slipped a bit off-course here. Nevertheless, I always considered BT to be one of the early trance pioneers untill later on when he switches style - however of this epic house style...I'm a bit clueless.

The problem for me was that tracks like Loving You More, although trancey, were irrefutably house, resembling the early Renaissance sound. There's a whole body of this stuff- I've got close to 200 tracks from the mid-90s that one person would call trance and the other person would call house. These tracks were influential to later trance but if you look at the period immediately preceding them, it's obvious they came out of progressive and vocal house of the early 90s. I was reading a lot of comments by old clubbers who'd been around at the time when I stumbled across this recurring term "epic house" used to describe this body of music. A bit of research revealed it was Mixmag's term. In a recent issue they had a feature on short-lived fads in the 90s, and epic house was listed as one of them, because this "Is it house, it it trance?" style only really happened for a couple of years: 1995 and 1996, with a couple of forerunners in the years before and a couple of late entries in the years afterwards.

But I'm not surpised you haven't heard of it. It was a short-lived style and only BT's Ima is still in print to represent the style. I think the likes of Sasha and Digweed are a bit embarrassed now about playing this kind of thing- if Sasha would famously say "I don't play trance" in 2002 then he would hardly want to admit to playing Billie Ray Martin, so this era is passed over.

It's been my mission over the past year or so to remind everyone on TA of that gap in the history books.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The problem for me was that tracks like Loving You More, although trancey, were irrefutably house, resembling the early Renaissance sound. There's a whole body of this stuff- I've got close to 200 tracks from the mid-90s that one person would call trance and the other person would call house. These tracks were influential to later trance but if you look at the period immediately preceding them, it's obvious they came out of progressive and vocal house of the early 90s. I was reading a lot of comments by old clubbers who'd been around at the time when I stumbled across this recurring term "epic house" used to describe this body of music. A bit of research revealed it was Mixmag's term. In a recent issue they had a feature on short-lived fads in the 90s, and epic house was listed as one of them, because this "Is it house, it it trance?" style only really happened for a couple of years: 1995 and 1996, with a couple of forerunners in the years before and a couple of late entries in the years afterwards. But I'm not surpised you haven't heard of it. It was a short-lived style and only BT's Ima is still in print to represent the style. I think the likes of Sasha and Digweed are a bit embarrassed now about playing this kind of thing- if Sasha would famously say "I don't play trance" in 2002 then he would hardly want to admit to playing Billie Ray Martin, so this era is passed over. It's been my mission over the past year or so to remind everyone on TA of that gap in the history books.

Many classics and good tracks are know not only to slip unnoticed but not to gain any attention, however for an entire genr� to dissapear out of the blue especially after having some influence upon what house is today is kind of strange. Unlike trance it seems that house still has some of its integrity left while its sister genr� trance, colapsed now into a pile of stereotypical radio garbage. Kinda ironic for a style that was meant to represent the suburban hypnotic club-scene in the late 80s/early 90s.

I guess that for that time when epic-house existed, producers wanted, as today to be able to fusion trance and house together, simply creating a new sound. However the fact that it dissapeared shows that either they didn't succeed or that the audience at that stage was not mature for the particular sound, I for one will not comment on this untill further documentation.

Maybe it's time for someone to bring it back. Maybe we're mature now and able to revive a lost sound.

I personally think it was too hard to make for it to become more widespread. The production quality of the music was very, very good for its day and the highly melodic nature of the music over a long period demanded a lot of compositional competence. Perhaps the music was simply too long, too grandiose- it outgrew itself. That Blue Amazon remix of the Lighthouse Family is seventeen minutes long. It's quite possible that producers just decided to simplify and shorten the music, bringing track lengths under ten minutes and not having so much happening in one track.

I would like to see this kind of music back again, or at least an attempt to adopt its ethos into contemporary styles.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I personally think it was too hard to make for it to become more widespread. The production quality of the music was very, very good for its day and the highly melodic nature of the music over a long period demanded a lot of compositional competence. Perhaps the music was simply too long, too grandiose- it outgrew itself. That Blue Amazon remix of the Lighthouse Family is seventeen minutes long. It's quite possible that producers just decided to simplify and shorten the music, bringing track lengths under ten minutes and not having so much happening in one track. I would like to see this kind of music back again, or at least an attempt to adopt its ethos into contemporary styles.

Hmm, I can see your point. The last thing a DJ would want to do is make a dull set and also the fact that those tracks had such lenght that kind of stripped a DJ out of making something dynamic.

Even today if one listens to classic such as "Sunblind" it's fairly notable how amazing and well produced songs of that era were - everything from a solid bassline to interesting twists that left the listener with a good impression. Today things are different and many of the clowns calling themselves producers use default sounds that follow along with software.

I'm open for epic-house track suggestions, except the BT-tracks you mentioned earlier, of course. Can't really recall of it was you or someone else that mentioned in a thread some time ago, something about a limited "Blue Amazon" vinyl which was only pressed in 50 copies world-wide.

I really love that Sasha EM until he throws down Your Loving Arms. I just don't feel like it fits at all.

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