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Shot for the link TheFeeling, very interesting

Slylee, my bashing is more of a retaliatory move than anything else, and I didnt mean to. It's just as you say there's alot of 'people who don't use drugs' bashing, I see more 'people who do use drugs' bashing.
I've never ever called anyone a loser/pussy if they love the music narcoticless, but that doesnt mean that they love the music more than anyone who does use.
The point I want to make is, loving the music without drugs doesnt make you better than those who do with drugs.

It's just when I hear things like 'I realised that my happiness was fake and had a bad time...', it comes across as really strange.

And I also find those who have dabbled and quit/outgrew the phase, tend to be condescending to those who do still dabble.
Why?

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Originally posted by Slylee another thing i realized was that the people i called my "best friends" were just my drug buddies really in the end. i dont even hang out with them any more cuz all they do is get high! i had to move on.

I'm facing kindof the same problem...although I've just given up E and not my fave drug, Speed....my friends really irritate me when I go out cuz even if we just go to a bar or smth they STILL do coke or E or whatever

Even when I did E I'd not do it in stupid places like local bars or discotheques...that's just lame (in my opinion)

They've admitted to me aswell that they think if they quit drugs they'll not like trance anymore and wont go out partying God I laffed my ass off
One of my friends had a seizure (?) at the Loveparade caused by too much dope, too much heat, too little fluids etc etc....he gets out of First Aid...leeps all thru the rest of the LP..comes home and takes another pill.....I'm telling you....I feel like I need new friends LOL

Luckily my BF wants to cut down aswell and we only do drugs if we go to a party/legal rave together...we don't smoke weed (done so for 2 years but got bored 4 years ago lol)..i quit cigarettes...I don't drink much alcohol as I don't like it haha..I'm quite boring actually

But as I said..I love my snort of "pep" every once in a while..yummm....and the good thing is, it doesn't give me a fake buzz (a you ppl call it), but just energy..so it's all ME that's enjoying the music and I get to dance a lot longer aswell

About the new friends: as my BF is moving upwards in the dj-scene out here we meet a lot of new ppl, and we've made new friends and even though they're a lot older than me (me 20, they 27 and on)..at least they're sober and they enjoy parties just as much as we do And at leat they don't TALK about drugs all the time

No disrespect though...I know the beautiful feeling E can give you

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Originally posted by kr00t0n The point I want to make is, loving the music without drugs doesnt make you better than those who do with drugs. And I also find those who have dabbled and quit/outgrew the phase, tend to be condescending to those who do still dabble. Why?

well it is all in the eye of the beholder i guess...i personally think that ppl who can appreciate music without drugs are better..but that's just me. lol well i shouldn't say BETTER...just more like we dont need mind altering substances to hear every part of the song and appreciate it for what it's worth. also it is just human nature for ppl to act condescending...it's like when u used to listen to rap and be a wigger when u were 14 and then u grew up and realized how gay it was and u see kids still doing it and ur just like "oh GAWD". heheh i guess that's the only way i can explain it

I see your point, but that makes people who take look bad.
I listen to trance moreso when sober than not, as I only chow when I go to a club/rave.
My friends laugh at me all the time when I sit here on the pc, typing away on the forums, bouncing up and down because Mark Oh - Never Stop 2001 (Barthezz Double Distanz) is playing.

It's not like I need drugs to appreciate and understand the music, but they do make a night more enjoyable to me.
I'm not saying I'd have a crap time without them, but sometimes I feel like seeing and talking sh*t, so I take trip with me best friend.
Or maybe I'd like to unwind, so I take a pill or two.
It's just some fun, like people who drink when they go out, I don't like drinking, I've seen more bad things come from it than E or Acid.

As for drug friends... yeah I have a whole ex-group who were once kewl ppl, who are now chasing speed and doing ket non-stop.

BUT, my best friend and I bonded on acid over 3.5 years ago, and we will be friends til the end of our lives, and I have met some of the most amazing ppl through drugs, so I guess ppl's experiences with them in social circles varies.

Cheerz
kr00t0n

i can see your point as well

I take E weekly since about 1 year and I still enjoy a lot my experiences. I started taking like 2 pills / night. I had the best feelings on my life. Then I took more and more (-> 8 / night!) and I understood that it was stupid, taking 3 or 4 is enough, the feeling is the same and the comedown is not so hard. Now I take 2 p / night. I Love music, I can party without taking e and have great time, but when you're on E you speak with everybody, you got that "love" feeling that I can't explain,.... so I continue for now. But I will not take E all my life! There will be a time when I will get bored of all those things, and I'll stop (maybe in 1 month, 6 month, 2 years,....).

And don't forget, there are lots of things to do which are 10x more dangerous than taking a pill! Alcohol is wayyy more dangerous (I couldn't drive my car home for 120km when I'm totally drunk, but on E there's no problem at all)

But I totally understand those who doesn't want to take E, because when you start, you can easily become addicted.

Techno Addict you did the right decision! When you don't enjoy drugs anymore, you must stop ! Why damaging your brain,... for something you don't like anymore...

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Originally posted by uwmadtrance Whoever said that the only bad thing weed does is by smoking it, that is ignorant. I'll just forget I read that.

Are you referring to me? I made the comment about smoking weed, but I said it was remote. I'm far from being ignorant as my interest and research is about mary. *LOL

Oh, Krootn - BTW, I like to see this study you spoke about it cuz I've read that severely damaged nerves can regenerate from weed use.

I cant remember where I read about the damage caused by THC, but it basically pointed to how THC can impair the brains recall and learning ability.

Please note that I didnt say that weed IS more damaging than E, it's just that research on E is still in it's early stages, and nothing is set in stone yet.

Here's a link to something similar to what I read about weed:

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/pei/...l/marijuana.cfm

Cheerz
kr00t0n

in problems with recall and memory would be due to blockage of the synaptic gap since all reactions in the brain are chemical in nature, the foreign bodies of THC would block some of the receptor sites for basic chemicals like seratonin. Without these chemicals free in the brain, the reactions cant take place, and thus no memory. Any LOSS of memory would be due to the :use it or lose it: function of the brain that snips connections to neurons that arent used. So if you smoke so much weed you never remember anything, your brain will just kind of weed them out. It isnt actually killing off the memory, just destroying the axon connections TO them

it helps of you detox your body once in a while.... my routine either involves a pure fruit juiced fast for a few days... this really cleans you up.... or i drink a litre of water.. have a long steamer at my health club and then drink another litre of water and have a nap.... it really makes a difference...

Re: lovely xtc chick

I don't do ecstasy, so i don't have anything to contribute to this discussion... but how in the hell did this picture go seemingly unnoticed for 2 pages of thread??? NICE PICTURE PALIVAR!!!!

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Originally posted by Palivar

omg that is one hot girl

ITS BEGIUCA G BECAUSE WE IGNORE PALIVAR WOTJ WITH A PASSIOI PASSION USUALY USuallly!!! loks LOok at his other stuff! diko do you kn not know himr o him or simt sometihg something lol1

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Originally posted by Orbax ITS BEGIUCA G BECAUSE WE IGNORE PALIVAR WOTJ WITH A PASSIOI PASSION USUALY USuallly!!! loks LOok at his other stuff! diko do you kn not know himr o him or simt sometihg something lol1

/me pours orbax another drink

U CN I CANT REFUSE A LDAY LADY soryr sorry gor for the caps I hi lke keep hititn g hitting shift! 1 more shot of th the FP FROST for the lady L:

GO TO SLEEP, you drunkass kid. Keep yer drunken adventures out of the forums or you will probably end up as the topic of a thread in the humor section.

AWWWW tta YELLED at me its fucking whatever time it is which whatevrrr it isss to to is too laTe fdl for ls sl e SLEEP...I cry for you into my pilow

TOO EARLY To slep!

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Originally posted by Orbax U CN I CANT REFUSE A LDAY LADY soryr sorry gor for the caps I hi lke keep hititn g hitting shift! 1 more shot of th the FP FROST for the lady L:

Are uu drunk or on XTC now?

so orbax now that you're drunk can i take advantage of u?

drjkn DUN DRUNK and please dfo DO lol@ !

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Originally posted by kr00t0n I cant remember where I read about the damage caused by THC, but it basically pointed to how THC can impair the brains recall and learning ability. Please note that I didnt say that weed IS more damaging than E, it's just that research on E is still in it's early stages, and nothing is set in stone yet. Here's a link to something similar to what I read about weed: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/pei/...l/marijuana.cfm Cheerz kr00t0n

ahaha.. sorry, not laughing at you but the AG's load of old DEA BS. If it was truly de facto was his claims, he should back it up with references from studies. Every point he's made, a corresponding study can refute it.

About memory and learning impairment, it wass well-known in Mj cultivation community before any study was done to verify it. the impairment generally is short-term than it is long-term, unless the person is already psychologically unstable or has bad memory. And not all marijuana impairs the brain. I would certainly like to know what strains were used to back up the findings cuz I can easily present facts that speak the opposite: a combined strength of higher Sativa and lower Indica will not impair the brain in whatever way; neurologically, physically, or psychologically. Most of what's on the market is Indica only that will impaire the user short-term, like being inebriated (sic) with liquor.

Like I said, the only palpable damage is to the respiratory system via long-term smoking (carcinogens). There is a good chance of eventual damage if user has respiratory illnesses already. The cleanest way to smoke weed is to vaporize it or to extract the THC oil before ingestion, which pretty much refutes AG's claim that weed is bad or worser than tobacco.

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