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I want to be able to use some of the tips here, but unfortunately ive only got a crappy laptop and no midi keyboard, and more importantly, no music software atm! (main pc died).

Anyone wanting to post any audio ? either from a teaching point of view or, for a "second opinion", I would like to "hear" some of this theory in action.

Good post - informative!

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Originally posted by Frost-RAVEN Oh also, google search Neapolitan chord (hehehehe).

Just learning them in my book they like have a 6th in or something then theres the french 6th italian 6th and german 6th. Mind blowing this is but the reason i am pursuing is since I began to learn (bear in mind I do not read music or play an instrument) When a producer friend comes over and we scratching our heads for melodies over a beer now I can almost jam one out on the keyboard using what I know and I only know a little bit so far.

Serious you should see my tutor on the piano sick chord progs just off top of his head.

How and when inversions should be used? Do they need any specific preparation?

Also cadenses in trance, how to use them? I dont hear much of them in trance songs and I tried to use them but the result sounded something like bach...

Yes and Yes

The only advice i can give is to learn classical tonal harmony. That is the only way to really learn and understand how chords work in certain tonal syntaxes.

As far as the cadences,

here is 2 examples

The songs are 6 years old (i stopped making EDM so i don't have anything new) so they probably sound dated but they each have some V I motion finishing off a phrase which have a very strong cadential pull to I.

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He is right the cadence is what you use to pull yourself back to your root note/chord. Cadences are like punctuation in a sentence a perfect cadence is a full stop V -I an imperfect cadence a comma IV -I an interuppted cadence III - I like a semicolon and so on.

Also inversions are called voicing the chord if you go from I to VI the jump is quite large almost an ocatve however invert VI a few times and you can get it to be not so far away from I at al therfore the transition is smoother.

This is all quite interesting stuff, and it does actually make sense to me (mostly, and in theory at least! lol), im starting to get my head around some of the terminology which in itself is an asset as you can understand a bit better what people are talking about.

One thing I must confess though is, I do get a little confused by all this v-i i-v VI etc..., and what it relates to exactly, and whether this is used for chords or "leads" exclusively, or is applicable to both.

From my very limited understanding, taking a chord as an example is, say each chord in a scale (for arguments sake - C Maj), the first chord is i, then the second chord in the sequence is ii until you get upto the roman numeral of 7 or 8 (?), and what you are saying is that if you want to do a "perfect" cadence (essentially a full stop, something that signals the piece is ending (am I right ???) then you want to go from the V chord in the scale to the I chord in the scale.

I really am not sure if I have got the right idea here or not, and a really limiting part of me is that I dont really know my scales yet! lol, so its not to easy for me to instantly know what the V chord is in say C Major or A Minor for example, I suppose it will come with time and practice.

And btw, some really helpful posts on here, thanks very much!!

Every newbie (wannabe) trance producer should try learning about theory and voice leading. I have learned at least some of the basic concepts by reading but excecuting them is a different thing.

I think i shouuld hire a private teacher to give some feedback: P



Uh i already forgot what i had to write maybe i am too high again.

I will respond to this shortly with some nice pictures and things its why I started the thread so we can all share knowledge. Also Im gettin some serious results with the knowledge I have amassed over last few weeks on this thread/books/internet etc

Well, my main pc is still dead and only have a laptop, so decided to download the FL8 demo, and play about with that.

I wanted to have a go at cadences, trying to make the music flow a bit.

Now I still dont really have a much of a clue as to what im doing, but thought I would try it, and ive done this just by ear. Ive uploaded a sample, and I think the first 16 bars go into the following 16 bars nicely (its the same pattern twice), i think the 3rd pattern (starting from bar 32) starts off ok but it doesnt really sound 100% to get you back to the chords starting at bar 48. (at 34 seconds)

Now all ive just got to try and figure out is why the parts that sound ok, do sound ok, and why the bit that doesnt, well err... doesnt sound ok! lol

Anyway, here's my example...

http://www.speedyshare.com/547724259.html

Oh yeah... I think it sounds like something ive heard before - U2 I think.

Ill check in a bit just busy on a remix keep meaning to post these pics i promised but i havent forgot.

48 bars most trance has like 9 bar patterns that repeat? maybe key changes if your good at them but 9 bars always seemed enough to me

oh that was me being a bit dumb! it's 4 lots of 8 bars.

I think learning about theory is more useful and natural if you supplement it with a lot of playing. Thinking about how it works is one thing, but actually feeling it as your hands execute the movements on an instrument is another.

I would also suggest trying to work out the chord progressions and melodies to your favorite tracks, and thinking about how they use the principles you are learning. One of the most interesting exercises for me has been to take a melody or chord sequence from a track, then change it at different points or try to develop it in a new direction, and think about why some things work and others don't.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I think learning about theory is more useful and natural if you supplement it with a lot of playing. Thinking about how it works is one thing, but actually feeling it as your hands execute the movements on an instrument is another.

+1 this is the whole reason i just bought a midi keyboard. I am loving it so far and honestly i don't know how i did anything without it.

I still have not forgot about pics etc just busy with beer and stuff


I feel same pwanage1

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