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Define What A Dance Music DJ Is

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Originally posted by -g- how would i decide? track selection, mixing, creativity, and party vibe. in short, same as any other dj. here's the thing tho - jazzy jeff plays ALL kinds of music, has done mix comps for house, hip hop, and mixes everything you could imainge, and does it with class and attitude. digweed? pffft, it ain't exactly hard to do what he's doing, from a technical point of view, now is it? i think its a reflection of the pollsters themselves and a very narrow minded point of view, musically speaking, when not even a single hip hop dj is in the list, or for that matter that such a narrow range of music is on display. sad actually. to take your analogy of apples to oranges a little bit farther, well hell yes its different fruit, that's entirely the point. the real question is this - are you satisfied with a serving of apples or oranges alone? or is it possible that there can be a more satifysing meal put forth when the chef has the skill and werewithall to do some genuine mixing? puns intended entirely within this paragraph btw. before you answer this, please take the time to go see jazzy jeff live. i take him as an example because he's SO good and probably the best dj who reps a multi-range sound on the whole.

Alright, so I just got back from seeing jazzy jeff live...

Obviously you have a point... but I still think its meaningless to stick hip hop DJs and EDM DJs into the same poll and try to rank them against each other. How do you compare the track selection of a rap vs EDM DJ.... can you really say its better that jazzy jeff playing gangsters paradise and then in dad club is better than when Digweed plays Heaven Scent and then Warung Beach.... (stupid example but you get what I'm saying)

Its like having a 'Best athlete' poll. Can you really say that Tiger Woods is better or worse than Lebron James? yeah you probably could construct a best athlete list that is reasonably correct but it losses credibility when you try to say this football player is a better athlete than that hockey player.

I am not trying to say Hip Hop DJs arent as good or better than EDM DJs, it just doesn't make sense to try to compare them to each other.

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Originally posted by teufel-man Alright, so I just got back from seeing jazzy jeff live... Obviously you have a point... but I still think its meaningless to stick hip hop DJs and EDM DJs into the same poll and try to rank them against each other. How do you compare the track selection of a rap vs EDM DJ.... can you really say its better that jazzy jeff playing gangsters paradise and then in dad club is better than when Digweed plays Heaven Scent and then Warung Beach.... (stupid example but you get what I'm saying) Its like having a 'Best athlete' poll. Can you really say that Tiger Woods is better or worse than Lebron James? yeah you probably could construct a best athlete list that is reasonably correct but it losses credibility when you try to say this football player is a better athlete than that hockey player. I am not trying to say Hip Hop DJs arent as good or better than EDM DJs, it just doesn't make sense to try to compare them to each other.

well first you have to understand that jazzy jeff plays music of the highest quality. gangsters paradise. ha ha! just go look at any of his mix discographies for reference. hell he'd play heaven scent if the mood was right.

but u know, speaking of athletic comparisons, there actually IS such a thing as the 'world's best athlete'. its given to the gold medalist in the Decathlon. interestingly enough, the decathlon is an event in which the athlete must show consistent superior athletic ability in ALL genres - ahem - sport areas, to win the overall title.

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Originally posted by jon jon stop getting so hung up on the term "dj"... the poll is obviously for "dance music dj's" haha fuck

bwhahaha. tut tut!

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Originally posted by ***** Define What A Dance Music DJ Is

that is it exactly. dance djs? hell its any dj that makes you dance. and that's really the point here - i think it says so much more about the listener and their musical palette when they deliberately exclude djs of a diff genre simply because they don't make a habit of dancing to that kind of music, or would even CONSIDER it to be dance music at all!

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Originally posted by -g- well first you have to understand that jazzy jeff plays music of the highest quality. gangsters paradise. ha ha! just go look at any of his mix discographies for reference. hell he'd play heaven scent if the mood was right. but u know, speaking of athletic comparisons, there actually IS such a thing as the 'world's best athlete'. its given to the gold medalist in the Decathlon. interestingly enough, the decathlon is an event in which the athlete must show consistent superior athletic ability in ALL genres - ahem - sport areas, to win the overall title.

No one is saying that the winner of the RA best DJ poll is the 'best DJ in the entire world', just the best EDM DJ according to RA readers

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Originally posted by teufel-man Alright, so I just got back from seeing jazzy jeff live... Obviously you have a point... but I still think its meaningless to stick hip hop DJs and EDM DJs into the same poll and try to rank them against each other. How do you compare the track selection of a rap vs EDM DJ.... can you really say its better that jazzy jeff playing gangsters paradise and then in dad club is better than when Digweed plays Heaven Scent and then Warung Beach.... (stupid example but you get what I'm saying) Its like having a 'Best athlete' poll. Can you really say that Tiger Woods is better or worse than Lebron James? yeah you probably could construct a best athlete list that is reasonably correct but it losses credibility when you try to say this football player is a better athlete than that hockey player. I am not trying to say Hip Hop DJs arent as good or better than EDM DJs, it just doesn't make sense to try to compare them to each other.

and i have to add, i DO know what you're saying regarding track selection. in that regard, as in most things musical, its subjective. is one tune 'better' than another? well shit i don't know, but for a top dj, i'd expect them to be playing amazing tunes, whatever the genre at all. i should be impressed with the music, period. does the genre matter here? nope, not at all.

and the thing of the jj example is that he's not a hip hop dj really. he's a dj of music, period. he plays everything. but i do think that the stratification of music scenes, esp here in north america, doesn't help to promote a healthier cross pollination of music in the dance realm of things.

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Originally posted by teufel-man No one is saying that the winner of the RA best DJ poll is the 'best DJ in the entire world', just the best EDM DJ according to RA readers

i understand that. and i guess maybe i'm not making myself clear about what this means.

to me its saying that RA readers don't care at all about anything other than a really narrow band of music. and that's to their detriment, but its also very revealing about just how unfortunate they are to have not had an experience that would allow them to open their ears to a dj that incorporates a little more creativity than even those top djs in their list would put on display.

i got no bones with the list itself. it is what it is. but what it is says so much.

imo its like voting for the best track ever made, its impossible to narrow down..

there are so many good dj's out there in every genre.. depending on the time slot, venue, vibe and your state of mind at the time many djs could be potentially epic

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Originally posted by -g- to me its saying that RA readers don't care at all about anything other than a really narrow band of music. and that's to their detriment, but its also very revealing about just how unfortunate they are to have not had an experience that would allow them to open their ears to a dj that incorporates a little more creativity than even those top djs in their list would put on display.

RA readers listen to EDM, you listen to EDM as well as Hip Hop, congratulations...

actually i'll amend that slightly. laurent garnier does a terrific job of mixing in a much wider variety of music than anyone else on that list by far. i'll give them props for recognizing that at least.

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Originally posted by teufel-man RA readers listen to EDM, you listen to EDM as well as Hip Hop, congratulations...

thanks man! entirely irrelevant to the subject at hand, but hey, good on ya!

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Originally posted by -g- thanks man! entirely irrelevant to the subject at hand, but hey, good on ya!

irrelevant? your acting like you have some superior DJ taste because of your knowlege of hip hop DJs...

Again, this poll is asking the EDM crowd who their favorite DJs are... hip hop DJs don't happen to be the favorite DJs of the EDM crowd, get over it. It doesn't mean Hip Hop DJs are any less talented than EDM DJs.

Obviously if we were to construct a 'Best DJ in the World' list, the DJs you mentioned would be highly ranked.

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Originally posted by teufel-man irrelevant? your acting like you have some superior DJ taste because of your knowlege of hip hop DJs... Again, this poll is asking the EDM crowd who their favorite DJs are... hip hop DJs don't happen to be the favorite DJs of the EDM crowd, get over it. It doesn't mean Hip Hop DJs are any less talented than EDM DJs. Obviously if we were to construct a 'Best DJ in the World' list, the DJs you mentioned would be highly ranked.

heh heh. like i have superior taste.. MY tastes have nothing to do with it. its the fact that the RA poll displays such a narrow musical range itself that is the point i'm making.

i understand what the poll is doing, and i'm commenting on the range it spits out in comparision to what's out there. what's not to get about that?

would you feel less perturbed if i talked about country n western djs? would that help at all? tell me what i can do to make it better for you.

Why does this RA "top dj list" totally over look the heavy metal dj's like Sid.... He rocks a crowd...

I really don't understand what point you are trying to argue here.

RA asked their readers who their favorite DJs are, and they happened to be all EDM DJs, which is not at all surprising because RA is a "Dance & Electronic Music Magazine".

Then you asked:

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Originally posted by -g- why the fuck is it that hip hop djs are NEVER even in the running?

Answer: because the poll was conducted by an EDM magazine, asking EDM fans who their favorite DJs are. End of story.

Your point: that some hip hop DJs are just as good if not better than EDM DJs. Yeah, you are totally correct, however, that is totally irrelevant to the RA DJ poll or any other best DJ poll conducted by a magazine that is pretty much exclusively EDM.

Agreed?

P.S. I am going to stop now... I feel like I am just repeating the same points over and over again.

All I have to say is
TECHNO RULES ALL.
that will be all..

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Originally posted by ***** Define What A Dance Music DJ Is

Not *****

Im Not A Dj Dude, but dance music is a wide spectrum. maybe if they clarified the categories. The best dance dj would be the one who can make any crowd dance no matter there musical taste. trance djs would get eaten alive tring to play hip hop music & vice versa not because either music sucks but because most djs are not confident enough in there knowledge of music as a whole. people dont listen to more than 1 style of music(people do listen to more than 1 kind of music but they wont admit because its frowned upon in certain circles).

P:S- I dont call my thing Dance or Hip hop or Trance or Rock etc but my thing incorporates all thoose styles of music plus more, my music its more multicultural

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Originally posted by ***** Im Not A Dj Dude, but dance music is a wide spectrum. maybe if they clarified the categories. The best dance dj would be the one who can make any crowd dance no matter there musical taste. trance djs would get eaten alive tring to play hip hop music & vice versa not because either music sucks but because most djs are not confident enough in there knowledge of music as a whole. people dont listen to more than 1 style of music(people do listen to more than 1 kind of music but they wont admit because its frowned upon in certain circles)

No...the best Dance DJ would be the one that people like the most....as with any pole its a popularity contest....skill has nothing to do with it. I am pretty sure most DJs can spin a variety of music.....they choose to spin certain types because....surprisingly....they like that type of music.

I guess, but i like more than 1 kind of music so the best would be a easy pick for me it would be some1 who knows about all kinds of music not just 1 style. Music is a communication tool its like a language before you speak a you need to listen. Once you feel you learned the language Then its easier to speak. The more languages you speak the better you can communicate. In Time you create your own language that everyone can understand or wnat to try to decipher

Considering the site, I'm not surprised by the results - nice to see a "top-DJ poll" that reflects my interest in music a bit more then other mags where the entire list is trance-DJs/etc.

Either way, most top-DJ polls are silly anyways.

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Originally posted by -g- heh heh. like i have superior taste.. MY tastes have nothing to do with it. its the fact that the RA poll displays such a narrow musical range itself that is the point i'm making. i understand what the poll is doing, and i'm commenting on the range it spits out in comparision to what's out there. what's not to get about that? would you feel less perturbed if i talked about country n western djs? would that help at all? tell me what i can do to make it better for you.

Umm, their poll reflects the genres the site covers and the tastes of their readers. I don't go to Resident Advisor to hear news on hip-hop, top-40, psytrance, trance, industrial, punk. I go to RA to find news/updates on - techno/minimal/house and closely related genres.

The poll reflects what RA is about.
I expect a poll by a hip hop music board would not chart guys like Hawtin or Tiesto.
The only truly global, genreless poll is the DJ mag one. DJ mag covers all kinds of music. Unfortunately, we all know how that poll goes...

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Originally posted by Skipper The poll reflects what RA is about. I expect a poll by a hip hop music board would not chart guys like Hawtin or Tiesto. The only truly global, genreless poll is the DJ mag one. DJ mag covers all kinds of music. Unfortunately, we all know how that poll goes...

I don't know....Tiesto has been known to throw a little hip hop in his sets

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Originally posted by -g- i understand that. and i guess maybe i'm not making myself clear about what this means. to me its saying that RA readers don't care at all about anything other than a really narrow band of music. and that's to their detriment, but its also very revealing about just how unfortunate they are to have not had an experience that would allow them to open their ears to a dj that incorporates a little more creativity than even those top djs in their list would put on display. i got no bones with the list itself. it is what it is. but what it is says so much.

I like other genres of music then what RA covers, I just go to other websites / magazines / etc to get that information. No single website/news paper/magazine/etc can cover every possible genre - they pick the ones that they can cater to and focus on that.

I 'get' what your saying, just dont really agree with it. Yes, RA focuses on a certain subset of music, their top-100 list reflects that, and I don't see that as a problem. I don't expect to see Richie Hawtin in Rolling Stones best XX of the year listings.

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