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bommer.

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Originally posted by RichieV If genres don't matter, i could probably ask you to make a full orchestral score in sonata form and you wouldn't blink. Like most niche genres, Trance covers a very narrow bandwidth of musical ideas and has a definate style that defines the genre.Some synths/instruments/fx suit certain sounds which suit certain genres so i think certain tools are definately more suited for certain genres.

You just totally missed the point didn't you? I said I don't believe in genres. So I don't set out to create a certain genre. Do you? Do you seriously believe that synth's are pigeonholed into certain genres? Do you actually produce? Because a synth at the end of the day is some oscillators and a bunch of filters in some configuration. That is genre non-specific.

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I love bass, when done right. That's why I made this post. Now, if it shouldn't matter what you use, then I wanted to know that, too.

You sir, are the next lord of bass.

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Originally posted by palm bommer.

Have u seriously not heard of nexus..? wow...... just wow ^^


alt det fuzzet som var rundt den synthen... og fortsatt er.. ^^
ikke for � bl�se det opp el no men det syns jeg bare var ganske utrolig ^^

haha.. jaja

ive probably never heard about it caus i turn my eyes away everytime i see the word vst, vst does not apply to me at all.

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Originally posted by palm ive probably never heard about it caus i turn my eyes away everytime i see the word vst, vst does not apply to me at all.

haha ^^ .. oh... I see

Reason I assume?

Theres two sides to this coin ;

a) Limitation is good, it forces you to find a solution (ie make a sound), instead of just thinking "sod it" and finding a preset on a vst or other and using that.

b) If you are using reason, there is always the option of rewiring into a host so you can use VST's.

i dont need vsts, i have all the options ill ever need in the included instruments in reason and probably also in logic in the future. only thing i need is more efficient ways of doing stuff, both production-wise and cpu-wise but also hwo to back stuff up, installing-procedure etc etc. Though im planning to rewire with logic some day to see whether i can get the mixdowns better. if i ever need a vst it will be eqs+compressors.

Care to ellaborate a little more on what you mean by a more productive workflow, anything paticular that is causing you problems ?

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Originally posted by Stormbringer And I disagree with taste not having anything to do with making great music...Taste has everything to do with making great trance and not the boring stuff that I've seen lately. If you have bad taste in music, you will make bad music. It's just that simple.

Do you know how ridiculous this comment is..?

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Originally posted by kitphillips You just totally missed the point didn't you? I said I don't believe in genres. So I don't set out to create a certain genre. Do you? Do you seriously believe that synth's are pigeonholed into certain genres?

Pigeonholed ? no
suited to genres ? yes

tell me how many websites masterbate over super saw waves. Pretty sure this is the only one. Why do Metal players use certain guitars, while jazz players use others yet they all use the same strings. Why do rock songs use the C7 more than a bosendorder. I never said tools are limited to a genr but it is pretty clear that certain tools are more oriented to certain applications.

And not believing in genres is like not believing in gravity. People do fly and defy gravity but they still have a very consious awareness of the gravity they are defying.

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Originally posted by G-Con Do you know how ridiculous this comment is..?

Well we all know taste in music is a subjective matter, good music to you = bad music to others.. I can see where you're coming from, but atleast it means he's picky in hes music selection, which might mean he listens actively and analytically to music, which in turn is preferable if you're going to make music urself, and which in turn MIGHT mean he's a perfectionist and doesnt settle with mediocre results, which in turn often is preferable if you wanna make "good" music.

I think thats what hes trying to say rather..

Who knows

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Originally posted by RichieV And not believing in genres is like not believing in gravity. People do fly and defy gravity but they still have a very consious awareness of the gravity they are defying.

haha.. good one.

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Originally posted by Jimb0b Care to ellaborate a little more on what you mean by a more productive workflow, anything paticular that is causing you problems ?

not sure u asked me but ill answer anyway, i have a fulltimejob or more like 1,5*fulltime job = 50hours a week sometimes, which is also on a computer and being abit creative so my head is abit tired once im home, this make me only have like 1 hours each day for producing (except weekends and holidays which is generaly when i make all my tracks). so the more efficient i can make my workflow the better. reason is perfect for that but i feel it lack somewhat in the mixdown so im trying to get time to learn logic express and do my mixdowns there. maybe also converting fully to logic in some years and first then ill be able to start looking at VST. I do not have ANY time learning any useless stuff and vst-synths are one of them as im happy with the synthsounds i make already. if i feel i have time learning anything new its gotta be logic and nothing else.

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Originally posted by RichieV Pigeonholed ? no suited to genres ? yes tell me how many websites masterbate over super saw waves. Pretty sure this is the only one. Why do Metal players use certain guitars, while jazz players use others yet they all use the same strings. Why do rock songs use the C7 more than a bosendorder. I never said tools are limited to a genr but it is pretty clear that certain tools are more oriented to certain applications. And not believing in genres is like not believing in gravity. People do fly and defy gravity but they still have a very consious awareness of the gravity they are defying.

Wasn't aware that anyone masturbated over supersaws anymore. But they're used in almost every dance genre. Boesendorfers are used heaps in rock. Jazz and metal guitar players use the same guitars - quite often PRS guitars, otherwise often gibson les pauls. Tools are tools. You are a tool.

you really are quite dense

I clearly said tools are never limited to a genre but you will find alot of tools tend to be more suited for a genre. YOu listing exceptions as the basis of your argument is pretty pathetic.

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Originally posted by lenieNt Force Well we all know taste in music is a subjective matter, good music to you = bad music to others.. I can see where you're coming from, but atleast it means he's picky in hes music selection, which might mean he listens actively and analytically to music, which in turn is preferable if you're going to make music urself, and which in turn MIGHT mean he's a perfectionist and doesnt settle with mediocre results, which in turn often is preferable if you wanna make "good" music. I think thats what hes trying to say rather.. Who knows

Its a completely flawed argument. How on earth can ones taste in music mean they are more likely to make good music than one with bad taste? In who's opinion? Who decides whats good taste and whats bad taste?

I know you understand my point but I'm re-iterating this for the op..

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Originally posted by kitphillips Wasn't aware that anyone masturbated over supersaws anymore. But they're used in almost every dance genre. Boesendorfers are used heaps in rock. Jazz and metal guitar players use the same guitars - quite often PRS guitars, otherwise often gibson les pauls. Tools are tools. You are a tool.

Win.

I spend hours at uni talking over subjective things like we have been debating for 3 weeks what is art?

In the tate modern at the moment there is an exibition of 3 flourescent lightbulbs stood against a wall some people love it and go oh how deep etc I dont but it is art. Same with genres

i'm going to suggest the same thing i suggest to everyone that is interested in dance music. for one as a producer you need to learn basic (piano/keyboard functions). otherwise you will be playing with piano rolls for the rest of your life.

But honestly, you just need to start with a DAW. fruity, reason (which i think is great having come from and anaglog experince).
but honestly the best advice i can give is just find a DAw that works with you and let's you learn and start doing what you want to do a as quick as you can.

best of luck by the way !!1

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Originally posted by kitphillips Wasn't aware that anyone masturbated over supersaws anymore. But they're used in almost every dance genre

yeah the saw will never leave, it's a staple in the scene, and honestly a great one at that. I always love me some uplifting trance driver!!! (mellow super saw over a nice hard driving beat with beautifel melodic riffs (minor 7th, to get that anjuna feel), still suporting that super saw, just got to make your beats tighter and your melodies more emotional and uplifting.

All in all, i love the super saw and glad it's around. Even after some years of trance doing it's thing , it's still around and rockin' hard as ever.

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Originally posted by lowski yeah the saw will never leave, it's a staple in the scene, and honestly a great one at that. I always love me some uplifting trance driver!!! (mellow super saw over a nice hard driving beat with beautifel melodic riffs (minor 7th, to get that anjuna feel), still suporting that super saw, just got to make your beats tighter and your melodies more emotional and uplifting. All in all, i love the super saw and glad it's around. Even after some years of trance doing it's thing , it's still around and rockin' hard as ever.

Supersaw is to trance what the electric guitar is to rock. At least thats what i think haha.

i agree on that if u remove the "super"

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