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There has been good and bad music in every genre since the beginning of time. If you think trance Before Armin/Tiesto was any different you're wrong. I have countless vinyls of bad trance made without a computer. Get over it and find something you like! Could be you just need a break!

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Originally posted by Neo95gt In and Out of Love (Richard Durand Remix) > *

In & Out of Love, mashup with Lost Connection > *

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Originally posted by Ronald Ravin' There has been good and bad music in every genre since the beginning of time. If you think trance Before Armin/Tiesto was any different you're wrong. I have countless vinyls of bad trance made without a computer. Get over it and find something you like! Could be you just need a break! In & Out of Love, mashup with Lost Connection > *

But I agree

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Originally posted by PETRAN Difference in quality between today's trance and older trance? Between today's trance and '99 trance? Well, there is no really any difference, except for the fact that the '99 sound was relatively new back then, so it was more exciting for a larger number of people. Difference in quality between today's trance and early-90s classic trance? Well, early-90s trance was musically much simpler, but it used some breakthrough sounds and hence it was exciting for a larger number of people.

But you could easily tell a trance track produced in the early to mid '90s from one produced in the 2000s when presentend with such a choice, which would suggest there IS a considerable difference between the two kinds of sound. The entire atmosphere was different. Trance music used to be more primitive, more repetitive, more trance inducing and truer to it's name in general. The supersaws weren't even around before the Corsten era. Or were they?

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Originally posted by Neo95gt Anything will get boring if you listen to it long and often enough. And I think today's trance is better than oldschool trance.

Eye Q, Suck me plasma, Dragonfly + dozens of other now closed labels say otherwise.

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There was a lot of shitty trance back then and a lot of the tracks were just as poppy imo

There are always shitty songs, there was in 1989 there will be in 2089.

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I like how a lot of people who hate on trance and say it has turned into shit we're like 10 when it was supposedly "good"

Because we have to hear the songs when they first released? hmm. I'd be stuffed to know how I'm going to listen to Mozart from now on.

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Originally posted by creon444 I disagree. I think there is an observable difference in quality between today's trance and it's early incarnations. Producing music in general was a much more tedious job, a task that only a chosen few knew how to handle. Today anyone with an internet connection can set up their own label thanks to the advances in the music production technology. More crap is produced nowadays because there are more poeple with the means to produce said crap. Back in the day, you just didn't have the kind of software that, among onther things, is relatively easy to work with... so that even talentless pricks can release their rubbish (check out this opus magnum: http://tranceaddict.com/forums/show...6897&forumid=11) I quit listening to trance not because I got bored of it but because it has become progressively harder for me to find decent music in this genre. And I'm just not motivated enought to be willing to search for that elusive gem in a sea of sh*t.

I also though that the hardware/software approaches could make a difference but i don't think much of it these days. So, you just post one link of some random piss-taker but this says nothing. I guess that there were many more similar "wannabe producers" in the 90s that released some extremely shit music, but thank god, due to the internet's absence that shit would just feedback to the wannabe piss-taker's ears. The only difference back then was the restraints in the availability of information. You could listen to tracks only if they were signed. Today you can listen to any track, because any one can upload it somewhere in the net. But there was still MUCH garbage even among the signed tracks, you can be sure about that. You just listen to some of the 90s "hits" and "better tracks" today and these tracks are usually good. There were hordes of shit tracks though!



You and many others strive to find "good trance tracks" today because you are sick of the sound. If you were acoustically "virgin" to the sound, chances were that most super-saw racks, regardless of the melody or the sounds used, would give you eargasms. And this seems to be the case as the countless young fans of Armin and co. prove. You just hapenned to be one of them (if you were an epic-trance fan)in the past, but you are not one of them now. Because your taste matured (whatever that means).

There really is a difference in sound between the early German trance and today's mainstream stuff. There was a lot more acid, spacey high-resonance sounds, and repetitiveness back then, and more diversity in song structure. So I can see the merit in people saying that "the music changed" if they're talking about the jump from '93 to today or something.

But the stuff that's around today is mostly just an elaboration on the late '90s epic style. Now it just has about thirty more layers, fifty more hi hats, and mastering that pushes all the frequencies about as close to their limit as you can get without digital clipping. And I guess there are more vocals as well, which I see some people griping about now and again. I don't really like vocals in trance, either, no matter what the era...

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Originally posted by creon444 But you could easily tell a trance track produced in the early to mid '90s from one produced in the 2000s when presentend with such a choice, which would suggest there IS a considerable difference between the two kinds of sound. The entire atmosphere was different. Trance music used to be more primitive, more repetitive, more trance inducing and truer to it's name in general. The supersaws weren't even around before the Corsten era. Or were they?

They weren't but trance was always about the melodic riffs, the arpeggios and the gated strings mate. Not super-saws but saw riffs or whatever. The fact that there is a difference says nothing in terms of quality other than the fact that for some reason or the other you prefer the early-90s sound. Quality is a very vague and subjective term. One Music nerd (like...me!) could say that early 90s trance had some "pioneering" ideas and hence has the highest quality by default, by any trance that followed. But then again if you don't include the idea of "novelty of sound", early 90s trance was very poor musically.


And anyway, trance was actually "trance" (the hypnotic repeatetive sound) only during its elder German days. For the most part, trance was always about the melodies and hence was more commercial. Even Jam and Spoon and Paul Van Dyk in 93 were demonstrating a more melodic, theme-driven commercial sound.

Later on today, at least 3 uplifting tracks will be released.

New trance no longer fucks with my head and thats why it sucks.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Because your taste matured (whatever that means).

I think matured taste can be described as 'diversified' taste and that comes from experiencing a wider range of subtler emotions in life.

trance music has become unicorn music - it concerns itself with inane juvenile desires, like buxom eurotrash babes in glass showers, sophomoric infatuation. there is this whole perverse mythology about being yourself and being an individual by pumping your arms at the same time as 1000 guidos in a sweaty arena and then asking some loser fuck who happened to be in the right place at the right time to sign a soggy flier


trance music generally is the musical equivalent of insecure teenagers talking about the matrix until 5 am

the whole thing these days is rotten, it's all just a big laser show - a glimmering, sparkling, shiny toy that makes kids feel secure about themselves by substantiating inane kiddie unicorn dreams en masse


you can compare this type of music to a pretty figural picture. not in the least abstracted or emotionally deep or diverse. it is what it is. someone makes a track with seagulls in it and then calls it "ocean breeze"




now granted i am generalizing, because there are still hypnotic trance tracks out there and tracks with musical and emotional content. but i think it's pretty widely accepted that for the most part it's tripe

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby New trance no longer fucks with my head and thats why it sucks.

Haha. Three cheers for head-fuck music!

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Originally posted by PETRAN They weren't but trance was always about the melodic riffs, the arpeggios and the gated strings mate. Not super-saws but saw riffs or whatever. The fact that there is a difference says nothing in terms of quality other than the fact that for some reason or the other you prefer the early-90s sound. Quality is a very vague and subjective term. One Music nerd (like...me!) could say that early 90s trance had some "pioneering" ideas and hence has the highest quality by default, by any trance that followed. But then again if you don't include the idea of "novelty of sound", early 90s trance was very poor musically. And anyway, trance was actually "trance" (the hypnotic repeatetive sound) only during its elder German days. For the most part, trance was always about the melodies and hence was more commercial. Even Jam and Spoon and Paul Van Dyk in 93 were demonstrating a more melodic, theme-driven commercial sound.

I think the overall quality in the case of trance music should be judged by how effective it is in performing it's designated function... which is, putting people into a state of trance. The repetitiveness factor plays a major role here and this gives the early trance music an edge over today's pseudo-trance garbage.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles There really is a difference in sound between the early German trance and today's mainstream stuff. There was a lot more acid, spacey high-resonance sounds, and repetitiveness back then, and more diversity in song structure. So I can see the merit in people saying that "the music changed" if they're talking about the jump from '93 to today or something.

This.

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Originally posted by nefardec I think matured taste can be described as 'diversified' taste and that comes from experiencing a wider range of subtler emotions in life. trance music has become unicorn music - it concerns itself with inane juvenile desires, like buxom eurotrash babes in glass showers, sophomoric infatuation. there is this whole perverse mythology about being yourself and being an individual by pumping your arms at the same time as 1000 guidos in a sweaty arena and then asking some loser fuck who happened to be in the right place at the right time to sign a soggy flier trance music generally is the musical equivalent of insecure teenagers talking about the matrix until 5 am the whole thing these days is rotten, it's all just a big laser show - a glimmering, sparkling, shiny toy that makes kids feel secure about themselves by substantiating inane kiddie unicorn dreams en masse you can compare this type of music to a pretty figural picture. not in the least abstracted or emotionally deep or diverse. it is what it is. someone makes a track with seagulls in it and then calls it "ocean breeze" now granted i am generalizing, because there are still hypnotic trance tracks out there and tracks with musical and emotional content. but i think it's pretty widely accepted that for the most part it's tripe

A person's EDM preference can be linked to the complexity of their emotional capacity/experience/requirements... Something along those lines, is that what you're saying?

You know whats a sick bit of trance and gave me that head fuck?

Go to about 4:35 into Tilt - Rendezvous (Quadrophonic Mix) and that break with the fucking weird ass voices and shit and then it comes back in with the stripped down beat and bass with that spacey pad.

Fucked with my head the first time I heard that. Thats good trance.

Oh and Gamemaster, the vocals in that, cheesy as fuck, but they are completly random ass shit. It was like "who the fuck cares if it makes sense, this is fucking wacky lets do it!"

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Originally posted by Chimney Later on today, at least 3 uplifting tracks will be released.

Yeah, techno and house ones as well

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Originally posted by saluyamo Eye Q, Suck me plasma, Dragonfly + dozens of other now closed labels say otherwise. There are always shitty songs, there was in 1989 there will be in 2089. Because we have to hear the songs when they first released? hmm. I'd be stuffed to know how I'm going to listen to Mozart from now on.

No, but you didn't experience any of it and you've only been exposed to the hits of the old. You're 19. I barely experienced it. I mean how many live events have you even been to?

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Originally posted by creon444 I think the overall quality in the case of trance music should be judged by how effective it is in performing it's designated function... which is, putting people into a state of trance. The repetitiveness factor plays a major role here and this gives the early trance music an edge over today's pseudo-trance garbage.

Eh ok so i guess its just about the Harthouse stuff then. Because even Eye-Q had more melodic releases in 93-94. Trance for the most part was always about the melody mate.

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Originally posted by nefardec I think matured taste can be described as 'diversified' taste and that comes from experiencing a wider range of subtler emotions in life. trance music has become unicorn music - it concerns itself with inane juvenile desires, like buxom eurotrash babes in glass showers, sophomoric infatuation. there is this whole perverse mythology about being yourself and being an individual by pumping your arms at the same time as 1000 guidos in a sweaty arena and then asking some loser fuck who happened to be in the right place at the right time to sign a soggy flier trance music generally is the musical equivalent of insecure teenagers talking about the matrix until 5 am the whole thing these days is rotten, it's all just a big laser show - a glimmering, sparkling, shiny toy that makes kids feel secure about themselves by substantiating inane kiddie unicorn dreams en masse you can compare this type of music to a pretty figural picture. not in the least abstracted or emotionally deep or diverse. it is what it is. someone makes a track with seagulls in it and then calls it "ocean breeze" now granted i am generalizing, because there are still hypnotic trance tracks out there and tracks with musical and emotional content. but i think it's pretty widely accepted that for the most part it's tripe

Yeah problem is that trance was almost ALWAYS ABOUT ALL these things you describe. You just tend to like the early German techno-trance sound with Harthouse and stuff. Pogressive Trance from the mid-90s was about the things you say.

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Originally posted by PETRAN Eh ok so i guess its just about the Harthouse stuff then. Because even Eye-Q had more melodic releases in 93-94. Trance for the most part was always about the melody mate.

I don't think anyone is against melodies as such...

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Originally posted by PETRAN Eh ok so i guess its just about the Harthouse stuff then. Because even Eye-Q had more melodic releases in 93-94. Trance for the most part was always about the melody mate.

For some reason I have that annoying Yoji B track in my head that says "Its all about the Hellhouse Raver Baby" or something like that but now its going "its all about the harthouse raver baby" and its just disturbing...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I don't think anyone is against melodies as such...

I think so!

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Originally posted by PETRAN I think so!

Who? Noise artists?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Who? Noise artists?

Melodic noise! *goes to pioneer that genre*

I got bored of trance because i have to sift through 50 pages of trance tracks on beatport to not find one that is complete shit, and another fifty to find one that is actually good.

Its all about the structure, and that whole one main lead with fifty layers of arps and pads in the background slammed through compressors. Trance used to go from one lead to the next and back again, this is actually entrancing. A two minute percussion buildup then adding in a bass and playing a few notes of the melody before a white noise sweep and a hall kick into a breakdown with a super saw pad and an arp with a filter opening before finally throwing in the kick playing for another two minutes and adding an outro isn't very entrancing. Even in the late nineties there were tons of good shit, sure you had you fair amount of epic trance that was pretty bad but the music was far better than it is now.

The music definitely changed.

A pretty good track this year was. Vadim Zhukov - Talking To A God

Edit: i guess last year now

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