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Originally posted by Rigon if that was aimed as an insult, you're just to dumb to see when I have a moment of clairvoyance.

i actually thought it was troll-bait since it was so fucking ignorant.

Has anybody reflected on what may have happened in the world, when media have been all sucked up in Gaza? What has US government done in the meantime, when they don't even have the time to respond properly to this conflict...hmmm...

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Originally posted by The17sss then moved to the Tampa Bay area of Florida and grew up by the beach,

A ok then! I bow to thee beach-master (lord of rednecks!)

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Originally posted by Rigon Has anybody reflected on what may have happened in the world, when media have been all sucked up in Gaza? What has US government done in the meantime, when they don't even have the time to respond properly to this conflict...hmmm...

Very good point,I always try to keep up with everything around the world when there is a conflict like Gaza.I was actually asking the same thing not too long ago.Whats really happening behind the scene?

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Originally posted by Jake Benson I hope they bomb the shit out of Gaza (but get a brain and learn to target better).

and what exactly will be achieved from this at the end?peace?


Do you remember the war in Lebenon two years ago?you actually think Hezbullah is no longer there?the people in Lebenon suffered and Hezbullah still controls the south of Lebenon with many supporters.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN next time you're really fagging it up in drag i hope you get oppressed by people with guns for having the audacity to choose your own clothes.

Cross-dressing isn't a code that homosexuals have to abide by whereas if they do not cross-dress they get beaten by their husbands and men in general. That happens with Muslim woman and Hijabababaz. You're confusing fags with Muslims. Again.

Meanwhile, this was a security measure where they made Muslim lady taken off her Muslim hat-scarf. If you are going through security, you're petty little customs of how you dress don't supersede measures taken to make sure you're not a threat to security.

Somebody rode the short bus to c0r today!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN he's been busy being a hypocritical liberal.

Don't confuse me with San Francisco just because I like to buttfuck. Aren't liberals the ones that are pro-Palestine anyway? I think you're confusing 80s liberal with 00s liberal.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer and what exactly will be achieved from this at the end?peace?

Well if they get rid of the hamas then yes.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Do you remember the war in Lebenon two years ago?you actually think Hezbullah is no longer there?the people in Lebenon suffered and Hezbullah still controls the south of Lebenon with many supporters.

They didn't finish off with Hezblahblah. They tried, but then fucked up Lebanon so much they realized what they had done and backed off. That's why Hezblahblah is still there.

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Originally posted by Rigon Has anybody reflected on what may have happened in the world, when media have been all sucked up in Gaza? What has US government done in the meantime, when they don't even have the time to respond properly to this conflict...hmmm...

They did respond. They blamed it properly on hamas for launching rockets in the first place. All the pretty little palestinian children and civilians were put in harms way because the hamas thought it would be best to fire rockets into Israel, after Israel continued to say no. What on Earth does firing rockets achieve? Peace? ...hmmm.... so who started this anyway?

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Abbas blames Hamas for bringing Israel's wrath Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:02am GMT Email | Print | Share | Single Page [-] Text [+] CAIRO (Reuters) - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas blamed the rival Islamist group Hamas on Sunday for triggering Israel's deadly raids on Gaza by not extending a six-month truce with the Jewish state. Abbas, whose Fatah group has been at loggerheads with Hamas, said maintaining the truce could have helped the Palestinians avoid the Israeli raids, which killed more than 270 people in Gaza in the past two days. "We talked to them (Hamas) and we told them 'please, we ask you, do not end the truce. Let the truce continue and not stop' so that we could have avoided what happened," he said in Cairo. Fatah and Hamas have been at loggerheads since the Islamist group won parliamentary elections in 2006 and then routed Fatah's forces out of Gaza in June 2007. Abbas also blames the group for disrupting national unity talks that could pave the way for general and presidential elections. Israel said the raids which killed more than 270 people in the last two days were in response to Hamas's continued cross-border rocket attacks. Both sides trade the blame for violating, and then not extending the Egyptian-brokered truce, which expired December 19. Abbas, speaking after talks with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, said the priority now was to end the bloodshed and restore the truce between Gaza and Israel. Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit of Egypt, which has mediated between Hamas and Israel and between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority, said Cairo summoned the Israeli ambassador to the Foreign Ministry on Sunday for the second day in a row to complain about Israeli military operations. "We object to this and we demand a stop and that the Israeli army does not carry out a new invasion," he said. The Egyptian minister said a cease-fire would be the aim of a meeting of Arab foreign ministers in Cairo on Wednesday.

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http://uk.reuters.com/article/UKNews1/idUKTRE4BR0PB20081228

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Originally posted by Rigon Don't you understand a shit? Hamas are the kids! Defending themselves!

What about these children?

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By Tim Butcher in Jerusalem

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Well if they get rid of the hamas then yes. They didn't finish off with Hezblahblah. They tried, but then fucked up Lebanon so much they realized what they had done and backed off. That's why Hezblahblah is still there.

That's why Hezbollah is still there?

from wikipedia:
The conflict killed over a thousand people, widely reported to be mostly Lebanese civilians, severely damaged Lebanese civil infrastructure, and displaced approximately one million Lebanese and 300,000�500,000 Israelis, although most were able to return to their homes. After the ceasefire, some parts of Southern Lebanon remained uninhabitable due to Israeli unexploded cluster bomblets.

This is why Hezbollah is strong as ever.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Cross-dressing isn't a code that homosexuals have to abide by whereas if they do not cross-dress they get beaten by their husbands and men in general. That happens with Muslim woman and Hijabababaz.

irrelevant. she clearly did not want to remove her hibihibjab for her own personal reasons, whatever they might be. if you ask many muslim women they'll tell you they want to wear it. its shit that its law in some parts of the world but what are you going to do?

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Originally posted by Jake Benson You're confusing fags with Muslims. Again.

no, im just wondering why someone that gets on his soapyfagbox to defend gay rights would display such a strong disregard for the rights of a third party to observe their faith in such a way.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Meanwhile, this was a security measure where they made Muslim lady taken off her Muslim hat-scarf. If you are going through security, you're petty little customs of how you dress doesn't supersede measures taken to make sure you're not a threat to security.

of course, but just because its a security measure doesn't mean it's not unpleasant. if she wants to complain about it fine, but your reaction:

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Oh no! Her head underwear came off! Her head's surely going to shrivel away and she's going to die now! Israel is terrorist! Israel is terrorist!

was beneath you.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Well if they get rid of the hamas then yes.

Would be considering peace realistically if you were living in Gaza right now?

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They didn't finish off with Hezblahblah. They tried, but then fucked up Lebanon so much they realized what they had done and backed off. That's why Hezblahblah is still there.

So you do admit the war with Lebenon didnt do nothing to make Israel safer right?
What makes you think they will achieve anything this time around? just because they are dropping more bombs and killing more people it doesnt mean they are going to win a the end.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson I clicked on this link. Click on crimes against Islam. Randomly clicked on an article. Had absolutely NOTHING to do with Israel.

Which is why I posted the particular link I did (i.e. the one with information on the Israeli destruction of Palestine), and not a link to something unrelated, you fuckin retard.

Wow, after coming back from the weekend, I came back to my thread that turned to shit. Although I pretty much expected that.

Too many non-objective approaches to seeing the conflict.

One thing I have known for quite some time, is that contrary to what someone said earlier, Palestinians DO hate the Israeli's on a general level.

I really wish I could find it (I tried when posting this thread), there was a show on (something like 20/20) that chronicled a summer camp with 10 children. 5 Palestinian and 5 Israeli. They all did their thing together and had a blast. They went their separate ways and this same journalist that hosted the show went back and tracked them all down. None of them would actually associate with the other side. They both harbored hatred toward each other.

There needs to be a cultural shift, but unfortunately the government nor the people are interested in that.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN next time you're really fagging it up in drag i hope you get oppressed by people with guns for having the audacity to choose your own clothes.

That's retarded. She is in an airport, not in the middle of some street. If you don't want to be asked to remove your head wrap then either don't go to the airport or don't fly to US.

I'm tired of these deluded magical 1,600-5,000 year old fairy tales circumventing all natural course of reason. I am not persecuting you in your temple, I don't tell you what to do everywhere else, but when you are in a public space where the security is of such importance that you have people with assault rifles - then you should have at least the common respect for your fellow travelers to take off what is basically tantamount to a mask.

And that's not even touching the issue of how stupid it is that your god, whether he is real or not, would consider it an offense for you to remove your head dressing.

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Originally posted by Yuris That's retarded. She is in an airport, not in the middle of some street. If you don't want to be asked to remove your head wrap then either don't go to the airport or don't fly to US.

my issue was with the jake (who has posted at great length regarding gay rights) to be so flippantly derisive of someone else's experience of taking it in the ass from authority. she'd already passed through the security checkpoints.

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Originally posted by Yuris I'm tired of these deluded magical 1,600-5,000 year old fairy tales circumventing all natural course of reason. I am not persecuting you in your temple, I don't tell you what to do everywhere else, but when you are in a public space where the security is of such importance that you have people with assault rifles -

perhaps you would like to explain to us all what kind of security threat a scarf makes that other items of apparel do not?

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Originally posted by Yuris then you should have at least the common respect for your fellow travelers to take off what is basically tantamount to a mask.

you know what's really retarded? confusing a head-scarf with a mask.

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Originally posted by Yuris And that's not even touching the issue of how stupid it is that your god, whether he is real or not, would consider it an offense for you to remove your head dressing.

how is that even remotely relevant?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN perhaps you would like to explain to us all what kind of security threat a scarf makes that other items of apparel do not?

Certainly. A hijab can be one that partially covers the face and one that doesn't. The article doesn't specify which one. If we assume it is one that partially covers the face then imagine an airport where every single traveler is wearing something to cover their face and claiming it as a religious right. It's a security nightmare.

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you know what's really retarded? confusing a head-scarf with a mask.

See above.

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how is that even remotely relevant?

It is because the millenia-old superstitions of the few is exactly what creates these security risks to begin with. The same god that will consider it the greatest insult for her to remove her headscarf is the same guy who tells a bunch of idiots to hijack planes. I don't particularly care whether someone is interpreting this particular religion extremely or not - but the fact remains that this non-sensical beliefs is what elicits these kinds of reactions in airports and with good cause.

Was it likely that this women is a terrorist or a threat? Of course not. But if you give people an inch they will take a foot. The freedom of religion doesn't extend everywhere, nor does it need to.

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Originally posted by Yuris Certainly. A hijab can be one that partially covers the face and one that doesn't. The article doesn't specify which one. If we assume it is one that partially covers the face then imagine an airport where every single traveler is wearing something to cover their face and claiming it as a religious right. It's a security nightmare.

well, his story says hijab, not niqaab.

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Originally posted by Yuris It is because the millenia-old superstitions of the few is exactly what creates these security risks to begin with. The same god that will consider it the greatest insult for her to remove her headscarf is the same guy who tells a bunch of idiots to hijack planes. I don't particularly care whether someone is interpreting this particular religion extremely or not - but the fact remains that this non-sensical beliefs is what elicits these kinds of reactions in airports and with good cause. Was it likely that this women is a terrorist or a threat? Of course not. But if you give people an inch they will take a foot. The freedom of religion doesn't extend everywhere, nor does it need to.

perhaps, but god has a plan for us all and i suggest you learn to open your heart to him.

Niqaabs and burkas always cover the face, hijab covers the face in some instances. It varies from region to region. Since the post doesn't mention her country of origin, it can be one or the other.

The fact remains - it's not like they stripped her naked and made her run through the airport - they asked her to remove her head dressing.

What if *my* religion dictates that I should never remove my coat - do I still have the right to go through the security checkpoint without taking it off?

That side-discussion is just fucked up..

girls who wear hyjab think their "progressive"

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi girls who wear hyjab think their "progressive"

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Originally posted by UmmiE

Those girls are so hipster.

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