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Wouldn't think too much about the people that call this mixer or that mixer crap.
The AH, Ecler and Pioneer all work well in a club scenario and to be honest, there are so many other factors that will affect the quality of the sound that anything the mixer does as long as it's got the right controls i.e. channel faders and EQs that actually work, the rest is pretty irrelevant.
Go back 20 years and the mixers were no way near as good, DJs still mixed and people still managed to dance without having their ears bleed.
It's the same in the production world, people often slag off Floops and say that you can't produce pro sounding tracks on it, which is a load of crap but it's all part of that gear snobbery that exists in the business.
If you posted a mix done on an 800 the chances are that most people couldn't tell the difference anyway or care for that matter.
Could I tell the difference? Well maybe, but unless something was REALLY wrong with the overall sound, I would be more concerned with the quality of the mixing and how good the tunes were.
The main issue is probably the price as you can get more for your money in other ways but it's a choice that a DJ has to make.
Cheers
Nem
-I had an Ecler Nuo 5
-I play out very often on A&H mixers (generally 62s but sometimes 92s).
-I now own a DJM-800
The best sounding is the 92. Followed by the Nuo 5, then the DJM-800. However, "Stu Cox" is 100% right: 90% of club sound systems sound like shit anyways. They're generally not tuned properly, and if they are, they'd have a sound tech there compensating for the DJM's slightly coloured sound.
The Nuo 5 had a great EQ but the effects unit was trash (almost unuseable), and the build quality was somewhat shoddy (I never even used the crossfader and it was broken by the time I sold it).
The 62 and 92 are amazing mixers for mixing prog. They are terrible mixers for mixing any type of technical/quick-mixing rave music.
I play UK hardcore/freeform type stuff (180BPM) as well as house and trance and such. It's nearly impossible to play a technical set with quick mixing on a Xone 92/62.
The faders are too long, the EQ knobs are too close together, the 4 band EQ hits the wrong ranges for my style of music AND that's just too many knobs to turn between bars, the gain knob is crap, the layout is unergonomic and NOT intuitive, etc.
I don't deny that it might be a good mixer for playing house or prog but for any kind of technical and/or quick mixing, it's terrible. Especially hardcore, but even for techno I can't say I like it.
The DJM-800 has an AMAZING layout. The effects just WORK. They're easy and sound good for the styles I play. The filters aren't great but they're just there to save your ass if you forget to drop the fader and such. Sound quality? If the DJM-600, which sounds like shit, could be the industry standard club installation mixer for years, the DJM-800 should be MORE than adequate.
When I show up at a gig and I see an A&H mixer I usually want to cry. I can never play as good a set because I have to sacrifice technical mixing to even get any decent mixes out of it. The bass knob doesn't cut the right range for hardcore so I have to fuck with the lower mid too, and even then it's terrible. The knobs are all too close together so I can't be as technical. The faders are too long so I can't do complicated cutting. Etc.
The DJM-800 is really forgiving EQ wise, which allows me to do 3 deck mixes with ease.
People just want to bash Pioneer because they can. No, it's not the be all and end all of mixers, but at least it's USEABLE for more than prog.
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| Originally posted by dainja I play UK hardcore/freeform type stuff (180BPM) as well as house and trance and such. It's nearly impossible to play a technical set with quick mixing on a Xone 92/62. When I show up at a gig and I see an A&H mixer I usually want to cry. I can never play as good a set because I have to sacrifice technical mixing to even get any decent mixes out of it. The bass knob doesn't cut the right range for hardcore so I have to fuck with the lower mid too, and even then it's terrible. The knobs are all too close together so I can't be as technical. The faders are too long so I can't do complicated cutting. Etc. |
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People just want to bash Pioneer because they can. |
Almost every club I've been too down here in Miami has the DJM as its main mixer. I don't think I've even ever seen an A&H down here, come to think of it.
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| Originally posted by elFreak fx is for trance dj's. |
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| Originally posted by elFreak fx is for trance dj's. |
I've used the Xone92 and DJM800 many times each. I think the sound quality of the 92 is a little better than the 800, but it doesn't make that much of a difference in most of the clubs I've played. I do, however, find the que sound to be a little clearer in the A&H.
I spin techno/minimal/tech-house and I like to do long, drawn-out mixes and transitions (2:30-4:00). For this, the 92 is much better as I have the extra control with the 4th EQ band. I also find the Xone to sound better when sampling on a 3rd CDJ (because of the control with the 4-band EQ).
I do like the filters and FX on the 800, but they're not of dire importance to me.
I agree that the Xone mixers are not the most ergonomically friendly mixers, but the setup is not as bad as some make it out to be. The knobs are somewhat close together, but they're smaller and built solidly.
djm 800 is killer
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| Originally posted by Brian Scott I've used the Xone92 and DJM800 many times each. I think the sound quality of the 92 is a little better than the 800, but it doesn't make that much of a difference in most of the clubs I've played. I do, however, find the que sound to be a little clearer in the A&H. I spin techno/minimal/tech-house and I like to do long, drawn-out mixes and transitions (2:30-4:00). For this, the 92 is much better as I have the extra control with the 4th EQ band. I also find the Xone to sound better when sampling on a 3rd CDJ (because of the control with the 4-band EQ). I do like the filters and FX on the 800, but they're not of dire importance to me. I agree that the Xone mixers are not the most ergonomically friendly mixers, but the setup is not as bad as some make it out to be. The knobs are somewhat close together, but they're smaller and built solidly. |
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| Originally posted by n3lly good post... |
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| Originally posted by dainja I don't deny that it might be a good mixer for playing house or prog but for any kind of technical and/or quick mixing, it's terrible. Especially hardcore, but even for techno I can't say I like it. |
rane 2016 ftmfw!!!11!1 and if you want effects its got an effects send/rec...like a proper mixer should have. But, I gotta admit that i like the rane mp44 as it has 1/4" booth outs.
Anyways, getting back on track, I feel that the general beef with the pioneer djm-800 and pioneer mixers in general is that they are over-priced in comparison to their competition.
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