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Originally posted by Yohan just reading a bunch of internet forums and people flocking the TV to watch this, like they've never seen a Presidential inauguration before or something.

for most of them it is the first Presidential Inauguration they've seen.

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Originally posted by Yohan obama may have not made an issue out it, but certain people did... lol. you're not even a yank. is obama your personal saviour too? the biggest political story for me today was that the cons and the libs are getting closer to a budget deal (see what I'm trying to drive at?)

dude you're forgeting that they're just around the corner
so yes I'd like it to have at least a semi-sane President :P

I'd really like to know just how much Obama relates to being a 'black man'. Considering his father had very little influence on him, how does Obama really feel about being identified as a 'black' president, when his mother and maternal grandparents had most parental influence on him?

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Originally posted by Time2Burn Spoken like a true middle class white man. It's important and significant because it has never happened before. Recording history is about recording those milestones that our society reaches. Like it or not, care or not, Obama as president of the USA is one of them.

would it be significant if he was the first blonde president?

It should be nothing more then a foot note in the history books....if this had happened during times when blacks didn't have the same legal rights as whites then yes...it would be a huge milestone in the history of the USA. Its happened at a time when blacks have the same legal rights....it would be more historical if he was gay...rather then black.

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Originally posted by Yohan call me a cynic or whatever, but following points amuse me -people who think Obama is their personal saviour or something, esp those that are not yanks (I'm looking at you esp, kenyans) -people who expect Obama to singlehandedly make things right (high expectations usually means disappointment) -people who treat Obama like some sort of superstar celebrity (he's a politician, not an entertainer) -people who think the current 'recession' is like the Great Depression, and Obama to solve all their money problems -people who make a big deal out of Obama being first black president (he's only half black) -people who give Obama lots of brownie points for being a great orator (Adolf Hitler was one helluva orator too. Deeds, not words that matter)

People who believe most of these things are a joke, and will probably lead shitty lives no matter what. That is their own problem, and that does not mean for the rest of us sane people, we cannot admire and celebrate what see as significant for other reasons.

He is a great orator, and that is that. They are not saying that his speech skills will solve problems, only that he is inspiring to listen to. Did you have any confidence in Bush when he spoke? I know I didn't. A great leader is more than what they do, but it consistently translates into how they do it, and how they are able to get others to do what they need to do.

I liked his speech because it was not pie in the sky. He said straight up, get off your asses and work people! There is no easy fix, and the only way problems are solved is with some good old fashioned elbow grease. He recognizes the tough situation he is in, and the tough situation the country is in, he is telling it like it is.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced would it be significant if he was the first blonde president?

Wow dude, you take the cake. Worst comparison ever.

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Originally posted by Orko People who believe most of these things are a joke, and will probably lead shitty lives no matter what. That is their own problem, and that does not mean for the rest of us sane people, we cannot admire and celebrate what see as significant for other reasons.

what you see as a celebration i see a circus

i work in a work environment where strong leadership is a must.
the leaders i admire the most led by example, not by words.

too often someone with fancy ass speeches did not deliver.

i have no problem with what obama is saying. i do have a problem with what seems to be a lot of false hope generating from election of obama

lol@'rest of sane people'

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Originally posted by Orko Wow dude, you take the cake. Worst comparison ever.

I would think its obvious I was being a smart ass.

Today is the beginning of the end. The United States of America will have their first female president sooner than later after today's historic event. I will not be looking forward to that day...

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced would it be significant if he was the first blonde president?

It would be if blondes were taken away from Scandanavia and endentured as slaves. I see what you're saying though. Since slavery is now a historical fact American society should realize the great steps they have already taken and stop dwelling on the past. I completely agree but I don't think it is that easy when racism is systematic. It still signifies an acheivement and a sign of how far a racist country has come.

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Originally posted by Time2Burn It would be if blondes were taken away from Scandanavia and endentured as slaves. I see what you're saying though. Since slavery is now a historical fact American society should realize the great steps they have already taken and stop dwelling on the past. I completely agree but I don't think it is that easy when racism is systematic. It still signifies an acheivement and a sign of how far a racist country has come.

I will agree that this does show how far american society has come...I just don't think its as big a deal as people are making of it.

If anything, white people should be patting themselves on the back and saying "see, we've come a long way"

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Originally posted by Yohan i do have a problem with what seems to be a lot of false hope generating from election of obama

How can it be false hope on the man's very first day as official president, long before he has had time to fail at anything he is talking about doing?

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Originally posted by exstasie I guess I live in a different generation. I always grew up in a society that excepted everyone for who they were regardless of their colour or religion

"accepted", IMO

Black or not, getting Bush out of office is significant. Not just for the US.

To the commentator that said "who gives a $hit bout US politics!" (not in those words exactly but close enough)... news flash... what happens in the US inevitably affects the country you're in.

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Originally posted by daves How can it be false hope on the man's very first day as official president, long before he has had time to fail at anything he is talking about doing?

unprecedented hype surrounding the guy?

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK Black or not, getting Bush out of office is significant. Not just for the US.

Bush was going to be out no matter what....so really...not that significant.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Bush was going to be out no matter what....so really...not that significant.

what did u do to kenny? i mean Kennedy?

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Bush was going to be out no matter what....so really...not that significant.

what did u do to kenny? i mean Kennedy?

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Originally posted by Yohan unprecedented hype surrounding the guy?

unprecedented != false

unless you have access to a very good fortune teller, you should not be calling any of it false hope at this early a point in time.

why be in such a rush anyways?

sit back and relax for 4 years... if nothing materializes, you can be part of a worldwide chorus singing "I TOLD YOU SO!"

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Originally posted by Orko I liked his speech because it was not pie in the sky. He said straight up, get off your asses and work people! There is no easy fix, and the only way problems are solved is with some good old fashioned elbow grease. He recognizes the tough situation he is in, and the tough situation the country is in, he is telling it like it is.

He sure is telling it like it is, but I hope you don't credit the speech as his own. Obama's chief speechwriter, Jon Favreau (google him -- tons of stuff out there), is the one responsible for it. No matter what Obama does or says, just like any other president, there will be a team of people behind him telling him what to say and what to do.

People are already expecting miracles from this poor guy; expectations are extremely high. I can't imagine the pressure he is under at this point. If his presidency goes well, he will be credited for it as such, even if the team(s) pulling his strings do not get said credit. And if his presidency goes poorly... well, I'm sure the white folk behind him will be to blame.

how come no one in U.S. media realizes that today can't be "an amazing day in history" becuase it is currently in the present...?

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Originally posted by 1dawoman how come no one in U.S. media realizes that today can't be "an amazing day in history" becuase it is currently in the present...?

dont ruin people's bubbles. you'll be labelled as a party pooper

let media have their cliches

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Originally posted by Yohan dont ruin people's bubbles. you'll be labelled as a party pooper let media have their cliches

fiiiiiiiiiiiine

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Originally posted by eRRaTiK "accepted", IMO Black or not, getting Bush out of office is significant. Not just for the US. To the commentator that said "who gives a $hit bout US politics!" (not in those words exactly but close enough)... news flash... what happens in the US inevitably affects the country you're in.

lol exactly

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Originally posted by doctor_ew He sure is telling it like it is, but I hope you don't credit the speech as his own. Obama's chief speechwriter, Jon Favreau (google him -- tons of stuff out there), is the one responsible for it. No matter what Obama does or says, just like any other president, there will be a team of people behind him telling him what to say and what to do.

Which is par for the course.
The president needs to build a good team, surround himself with good information, and be a decision maker. He isn't expected to be a jack of all trades.

Anyone who thinks we are insulated from American politics needs to get their head out of their ass.

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Originally posted by doctor_ew He sure is telling it like it is, but I hope you don't credit the speech as his own. Obama's chief speechwriter, Jon Favreau (google him -- tons of stuff out there), is the one responsible for it. No matter what Obama does or says, just like any other president, there will be a team of people behind him telling him what to say and what to do. People are already expecting miracles from this poor guy; expectations are extremely high. I can't imagine the pressure he is under at this point. If his presidency goes well, he will be credited for it as such, even if the team(s) pulling his strings do not get said credit. And if his presidency goes poorly... well, I'm sure the white folk behind him will be to blame.

Talk about cynical.

Of course somebody helped write the speech for him, but in the end he choose to say those words. He could have easily got up there and said 'I like big butts, and I cannot lie', but he read those words. Even though he does have a dedicated speech writer, he would be an idiot for not going over the speech himself, and making sure what was written, was what he actually wanted to say, and modify it to his own style or for his own goals.

Yes, he has a team, just as any leader does. They are not 'pulling' his strings, or telling him what to say. He hired these people to give him advice on how to handle certain situations, with each person having their own expertise. This is not rocket science, this is how you delegate responsibility as a good manager. You hire people with similar values, goals and ambitions as you have; people who you think will support what you are trying to do, and people who will take orders from you.

What is he going to do? Write the speech, handle press releases, plan the withdrawal from Iraq, pen new tax cuts, push new laws, and make him self a sandwich all by himself? He does need sleep.

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