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Originally posted by steppenwolf You might have to switch to 'Bugles' now ...but we're going to get through this!

bugles sound good right about now

munchie time

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Originally posted by R!CH if you can't relate to the values of the party, have you ever asked yourself why you continue to associate with it? i know in high school it was the cool thing to do, but when was the last time you thought about what the party did for you or america?

The party hasn't done good things lately, no. But I do still believe in a lot of things it ...supposedly stands for. I may be registered, but don't necessarily vote Republican, and that's okay. Just because I don't agree with my own party, doesn't mean I'm going to swing the other way necessarily either.

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Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal bugles sound good right about now munchie time

Cereal FTW!! I've been eating nothing but Lucky Charms and Cocoa Pebbles lately. Once in a while get something more substantial in there...

Seeing as its munchy time right now at 10:30pm, its Cocoa Pebbles.

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Originally posted by steppenwolf You might have to switch to 'Bugles' now ...but we're going to get through this!

I literally laughed out loud, lol.

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Originally posted by T.A.R.D.

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Originally posted by blakh0rse The party hasn't done good things lately, no. But I do still believe in a lot of things it ...supposedly stands for. I may be registered, but don't necessarily vote Republican, and that's okay. Just because I don't agree with my own party, doesn't mean I'm going to swing the other way necessarily either.

totally agree. And it may seem like ages ago, but the democrats were a mess just a few years ago, lacking leadership and direction. Its a two party system, the republican party will rebound and it will continue to go back and forth.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen totally agree. And it may seem like ages ago, but the democrats were a mess just a few years ago, lacking leadership and direction. Its a two party system, the republican party will rebound and it will continue to go back and forth.

Maybe, but when the republican's party leader is a radio man drug addict (rush limbaugh) i think the problems are here to stay for a long while.

And, yesterdays vote on the recovery bill illistrates how little the republican party wants to work with our new president and fix the economy. All 178 house repubs voted NO on the bill after numerous meetings and bipartisan efforts by mr. obama in the last week, that was a huge slap in the face. The stimulus plan was even watered down with tax cuts to make republicans happy. Obama has met with house and senate republicans more times in one week than Bush met with the dems in EIGHT YEARS, that is not a joke, Bush met with the dems TWICE in eight years.

Republicans are gonna have to do a lot more than swing from the nuts of "giants" (their words) like Limbaugh and hannity to reclaim their "leadership and direction".

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen totally agree. And it may seem like ages ago, but the democrats were a mess just a few years ago, lacking leadership and direction. Its a two party system, the republican party will rebound and it will continue to go back and forth.

it's a two party system, but nobody said you have to pick a team and play the role of cheerleader when one is out of line. unlike the sporting world, loyalty isn't an admirable quality in the world of party politics. if "your" party is championing issues and ideas you don't agree with, then why wrap yourself in that packaging? are you incapable of developing an ideology and having principles of your own without identifying with one of the two common denominators? this kind of behavior reminds me of the sunday-morning christian...one who calls himself a christian just to bear the label, but whose actions and thoughts have very little in common with the real standard bearers. in either case the only appeal i can think of is the image.

For all the people who say Bush had nothing to do with this crisis, here's your answer:



and here is what's happening now under Obama's watch:
http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/23/aut...sion=2009012909

it's funny how even an economist finds this to be good.

My point is, no one is an saint and no one can fix the problem unless citizens themselves take charge and understand what's going on.

The easiest thing to do is to blame others for problems and everyone does this. I think the people who should be blamed for all this is us. We should have a voice but unfortunately the people with voice are the people with money such as special interest lobbyist. The only way to fix this problem in the long term is if the American people know what the fuck is going on but unfortunately people just don't give a fuck about that and just think selfishly. All they care about is themselves. There are also many dumb people out there or people who fail to see the big picture. It's ok to be wrong but it's dumb to be wrong and ignorant.

rich, starboy, thrax, who are you guys argueing with? Who here is argueing such things as "Obama is not reaching out to the miniority"? Or "republicans have to vote republican no matter what, cause they are registered republicans?"

Im registered republican, and I voted for Al Gore in 2000, and Ralph Nadar in 2008. All Im saying is Obama and the democrats are not taking over the world. 4 short years ago the democrats were in bad shape. Power has been shifting for centuries between the two parties, and it will continue to shift. Super Obama isnt going to change that

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Originally posted by stefanoc For all the people who say Bush had nothing to do with this crisis, here's your answer: and here is what's happening now under Obama's watch: http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/23/aut...sion=2009012909 it's funny how even an economist finds this to be good. My point is, no one is an saint and no one can fix the problem unless citizens themselves take charge and understand what's going on. The easiest thing to do is to blame others for problems and everyone does this. I think the people who should be blamed for all this is us. We should have a voice but unfortunately the people with voice are the people with money such as special interest lobbyist. The only way to fix this problem in the long term is if the American people know what the fuck is going on but unfortunately people just don't give a fuck about that and just think selfishly. All they care about is themselves. There are also many dumb people out there or people who fail to see the big picture. It's ok to be wrong but it's dumb to be wrong and ignorant.

I get your point - that's why I haven't had much sympathy for all those people who bought houses they never could afford, but comparing what Bush HAS ACTUALLY DONE, to a news article speculating various different incentives to jump start the American car industry in not correct.

Also, trying to get people to buy cars is not a bad thing - one thing hurting the global economy (as any economist will tell you) is consumer confidence - without it, people don't buy, meaning companies don;t make money, so those same people loose their jobs. Offering someone a tax incentive to buy an American made car, eases pressure on people who need to buys cars and could in theory at least, keep people in the car industry in work. It would seem to be more effective than just giving the money to one of the car companies so they can loose it as their share price keeps plummeting due to lack of sales or spend it on private jet travel.

I'm not saying this is the solution - the article gives several possibilities but what happened during Bush - what was Promoted and lobbied and made law under Bush had severely contributed to the mess were in now.

My brother in Law in the UK, just went to get a loan from the bank to buy a car. UK interest are at 1.5% - the lowest in history. He has good credit too. The lowest rate he could get off any bank (inlcuding his usual bank) was an interest rate of 25%. Until the bank stop hoarding the money and stop being greedy (not to mention investing incredibly stupidly (madoff)) the business economy will not tuen around. Obama, if he needs to do anything, needs to force them in to action and trading with each again.

Josh - you voted for Nader? jesus christ. What did you just want to spite both parties (including yourself)?. Just joking - your vote is your vote but I just don't understand what a vote for someone who has zero chance (every election) is for anyone?

I never argued anything!

I only commented on TASD's lack of humility when bringing the topic of "oh they must have been Democrats" when the guy slaughtered his entire family! Yea, must have been a "libtard" right?

read it again:

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NEWS STORY: The bodies of five children and two adults -- the children's mother and father -- were found Tuesday in a home in the Los Angeles neighborhood of Wilmington. Among the dead, authorities said, were an 8-year-old girl and two sets of twins -- 5-year-old girls and 2-year-old boys.

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TASD: That's a sad story for Libtards as they just lost 2 current and 5 future supportive voters.

I voted for Nader, and yes I did want to spite both parties.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen rich, starboy, thrax, who are you guys argueing with? Who here is argueing such things as "Obama is not reaching out to the miniority"? Or "republicans have to vote republican no matter what, cause they are registered republicans?"

i never said anything about a requirement for registered republicans to vote along party lines. actually i didn't even touch the subject of how you vote. my argument is that your republican party brands itself as one thing when its historical reflection (based on the party leadership, policies, speeches, votes, bills, appointments, signings) is that of something entirely different. you acknowledge it yourself. so why do you make the CHOICE of associating with a party that can't even reconcile its theories and ideals with its reality and results? why not shed that label so you no longer feel the need to be defensive when the brand is under attack? unilateralism is a proven failure, deregulation is a proven failure, supply-side economics is a proven failure--and yet your party still fights for these things! i guess my point is... unless you're fighting for these same things, WHY DO YOU IDENTIFY WITH THIS PARTY???

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen Im registered republican, and I voted for Al Gore in 2000, and Ralph Nadar in 2008. All Im saying is Obama and the democrats are not taking over the world. 4 short years ago the democrats were in bad shape. Power has been shifting for centuries between the two parties, and it will continue to shift. Super Obama isnt going to change that

my question to you is who was making the argument that obama is going to walk on water and cure the world's ills? what has he done in the last 8 days that makes you so cynical about his presidency already? for your own sake you should stop thinking in such hyperbolic terms.

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Originally posted by Ronald Ravin' I voted for Nader, and yes I did want to spite both parties.

yep! I wanted to vote, but didnt want to vote for either of the front runners. It may have been wasted in some peoples views, but i satisfied myself

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Originally posted by R!CH my question to you is who was making the argument that obama is going to walk on water and cure the world's ills? what has he done in the last 8 days that makes you so cynical about his presidency already? for your own sake you should stop thinking in such hyperbolic terms.

Obama has done nothing, and that is the point. All the Obama craze is baseless, outside of hope during hardtimes. Most TA's are all hyped up on the Obama train, which is founded on little more the great speeches, lack of republican leadership, and a weak economy. He probably would not have won that election if the economy didnt crumble half way thru 2008. The American People are desperate

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen Obama has done nothing, and that is the point. All the Obama craze is baseless, outside of hope during hardtimes. Most TA's are all hyped up on the Obama train, which is founded on little more the great speeches, lack of republican leadership, and a weak economy. He probably would not have won that election if the economy didnt crumble half way thru 2008. The American People are desperate

another failed republican notion: experience matters more than temperament.

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Originally posted by R!CH another failed republican notion: experience matters more than temperament.

perhaps you will learn this when you get one, but work experience is most relevant and the TOP qualification in %99 of the jobs in this world.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen Obama has done nothing, and that is the point. All the Obama craze is baseless, outside of hope during hardtimes. Most TA's are all hyped up on the Obama train, which is founded on little more the great speeches, lack of republican leadership, and a weak economy. He probably would not have won that election if the economy didnt crumble half way thru 2008.

Fail. He was trouncing mccain in the polls as soon as he beat hillary clinton in the primaries, and he was always ahead of mccain in the polls even before his win in the primaries. Sara palin was the game changer, mccain pulled ahead for one week until everyone realized how much of a blithering idiot she was. Obama came back ahead in the polls, then wall street and the economy collapsed which put him a little further ahead then he was before palin.

Nice try.

It's laughable that you Libtards think Obama's reaching across his 'isle' with intentions of bi-partisan compliance. He isn't and his champions of partisan politics, Pelosi and Reid, basically stomped their feet in true, typical libtard fashion exclaiming that "we won and can do what ever we want." The republican party in recent times have abandoned their conservative principles and that is the sole reason the party and its brand is tarnished. Unanimously taking a stand against Obama-Pelosi-Ried's reckless spending bill which vastly expands welfare, advances his radical, socialistic agendas, creates more dependence on government (read--more libtard votes in the future) does nothing for our economy and is ladened with enourmous inorganic pork, is the first step the party took in their inevitable quest for their awaited return.

Obama's in big trouble and we can all say we don't want to be him. His appointments are a joke: Tax cheat Tim Geithner and his Goldman Sachs lobbyist 2nd chief of staff (that one was for you dj rann). Or the corrupt Eric Holder, Hitlery.. I can go on. Or how about his first actions in office were to advance his sympathy for terrorists or to go on jihad radio to sympathise with Muslims whilst blaming America first, calling us "dictators" more or less? Way to go Barrack! You got 1 term.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Obama, so far is good thing, not a bad thing, and nothing to be scared or racist about.

The fact that you would inject or assert 'race' (all Libtards are undeniably racist) into this thread absolutely discredits you even more past the bottom rungs of thought and ideology you were already dwelling in called Libtardism . Never and not once was this election and now current administration about race from the right side of things. Only leftards tried to use it to gain corrupt favor. It's Obama's far left, radical ideas he wants to commit into policy is what we're criticizing, not that he's half white. If color is what you mean, then it's because he's green, and not because he's half white. You are shamed. But it's what I would've expected from you and your lot like R!ch, thrax and starboy.

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Originally posted by djjoshuaallen perhaps you will learn this when you get one, but work experience is most relevant and the TOP qualification in %99 of the jobs in this world.

are you borrowing your ad hominem attacks from tasd now? or are they all coming from the same computer? you might want to check your analogy there slick because the president of the united states isn't hired like "99% of the jobs in this world". when you're the president of the united states, you don't need to be an expert in anything you're in charge of. you need good leadership qualities and that's it. george bush had a ton of "experience" governing everything from oil companies to baseball teams to state governments to the united states. lots and lots of "experience" there... would you hire him for the job again? what he lacked was good leadership qualities (such as temperament) and that's why he failed. if you ever make it to the level of hiring manager, maybe you'll learn that results matter more than experience for the good jobs. i'm sure temperament would be in there too if you had 9 months to campaign for a position like politicians do.

since argument by analogy is all the rave, let me put it to you like this... josh you support and identify with the music of j00f right? if someone asked you who your favorite dj is you could answer j00f. but what if in the last 8 years j00f started playing happy hardcore and every time you went to hear him play that's all you heard. if someone asked you what kind of music you liked then, would you still identify with j00f or would you rather specify you like prog and psy trance? see j00f is a brand much like the gop is a brand. your taste in music is like your political ideology. get it?

Clearly the problem starts with those of you who voted for president Brock Osama in the first place.

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