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I'd have to hear how the sound was at parade. If I'm standing in a sea of people listening to minimal treble and feeling no bass, I'd probably leave.

I really do question the effectiveness of minimized music being played in a concert format....just seems bizarre

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Originally posted by nefardec you have to be kidding me check out the photo galleries http://www.beyondbooking.com/thebunker/galleries.asp i went nearly every week until they made it a monthly as far as others, there aren't many but: sunday best during the summer @the yard (sadly will be torn down for apartments) water taxi beach during the summer bunker house n home minimoo (not going anymore though, at least for a while) less deep space is just full of nuts of all sexes/genders there are always a lot of girls at studio b various parties thrown at APT various undergrounds and more have plenty of attractive females and males alike ps my recommendations for this weekend: friday - bunker w/ jus ed, fred p, dj qu, john tejada, silent servant saturday - omar s @ santos party house || matthew herbert @ studio b

c'mon dude, the crowd shots are 95% scenester brookyln queers.

why no more minimoo?

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Originally posted by Neo95gt c'mon dude, the crowd shots are 95% scenester brookyln queers. why no more minimoo?

lol - no, they aren't. no need to be so difficult.

those people know how to get down


there just hasnt been a moo in a while, probably because of the minitek fail

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Originally posted by nefardec lol - no, they aren't. no need to be so difficult. anyways every scene has its scenesters. there are shitty people and there are good people. there just hasnt been a moo in a while, probably because of the minitek fail

I know, Brooklyn gets alittle too sceney for me Guess it's better than guidos.

What happened to minitek anyway? shitty planning?

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Originally posted by trancepeter thats a very hedonistic point of view i think.. seriously, here in germany techno developed after the fall of the berlin wall and the whole scene always had a political stance. and it still has, at least in the underground. thus, the music has a message (maybe indirectly, but it has) to be tolerant, thoughtful, anti-commercial, against stereotypes, to show self-restraint and respect what others do. thats also the main difference between german magazines as de-bug and groove in contrast to shit magazines as raveline (commercial) and also in contrast to foreign magazines or websites as ra, who dont seem to get the point of german music

...and dance music isn't hedonistic?!

People go out, get drunk, take drugs and cavort with the opposite sex, throwing away whatever responsibilities they have for a few hours to enjoy something truly special to them without regard for what anyone else thinks or wants them to do.

If that's not hedonistic, then I don't know what is. For me, that's the best bit about dance culture. I hate the �harder than thou� attitude with rock music and the �I�m a gangsta� thing with rap. Many types of music have similar cultures and expectations as to how people should look and act.

Dance music�s appeal for me (and many others) has been about the freedom to be who you want (besides the fact that the music itself is awesome). While there is a lot of focus on image in some clubs, on the whole, dance music lets you be who you really are and just be there to enjoy things. It�s hedonism at it�s best.

When asked what my religion is, I sometimes tell people I�m �hedonist� as a joke, though I suppose I�m not far off. I don�t believe in god and I do pretty much whatever I please.

As for your comments about electronic music in Germany, this may well be true, but it certainly doesn't apply to the rest of the world. The very first clubs in New York and Northern England were built on the ideals of massive excess and doing whatever the fuck you wanted.

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Originally posted by Domesticated ...and dance music isn't hedonistic?! People go out, get drunk, take drugs and cavort with the opposite sex, throwing away whatever responsibilities they have for a few hours to enjoy something truly special to them without regard for what anyone else thinks or wants them to do.

this is actually interesting, many points you mention are frowned upon by people who are deep-rooted in the "scene" over here. without being offensive, maybe its different where you live? i have no idea where that is since your profile doesnt tell, but maybe there is an insufficient supply of good electronic music and thus people have to enjoy every possibility to get out and waste themselves?

i think the disengagement of ones environment and daily problems is more a trance or handbag-house syndrome where people use the music as a catalyst to forget everyday life and get drunk and mate and have fun. this, again no offense, might apply to new york and other hip places, but certainly not for places like detroit or berlin which had hard times in the history (economical downturn, berlin wall) and whose musical history is based upon disappointed individuals and their way of coping with life.

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Originally posted by Domesticated ...and dance music isn't hedonistic?! People go out, get drunk, take drugs and cavort with the opposite sex, throwing away whatever responsibilities they have for a few hours to enjoy something truly special to them without regard for what anyone else thinks or wants them to do. If that's not hedonistic, then I don't know what is. For me, that's the best bit about dance culture. I hate the �harder than thou� attitude with rock music and the �I�m a gangsta� thing with rap. Many types of music have similar cultures and expectations as to how people should look and act. Dance music�s appeal for me (and many others) has been about the freedom to be who you want (besides the fact that the music itself is awesome). While there is a lot of focus on image in some clubs, on the whole, dance music lets you be who you really are and just be there to enjoy things. It�s hedonism at it�s best.

Wait, I thought music wasn't supposed to push an agenda or message. Hedonism counts. Conforming to non-conformity is still conformity, etc.

It seems to me that you're still saying "dance music shouldn't be ________, it should be ________". I say, let people enjoy dance music for whatever reason it brings them enjoyment.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY I would die of boredom

I almost died just watching the video.

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Originally posted by nefardec you have to be kidding me check out the photo galleries http://www.beyondbooking.com/thebunker/galleries.asp i went nearly every week until they made it a monthly as far as others, there aren't many but: sunday best during the summer @the yard (sadly will be torn down for apartments) water taxi beach during the summer bunker house n home minimoo (not going anymore though, at least for a while) less deep space is just full of nuts of all sexes/genders there are always a lot of girls at studio b various parties thrown at APT various undergrounds and more have plenty of attractive females and males alike ps my recommendations for this weekend: friday - bunker w/ jus ed, fred p, dj qu, john tejada, silent servant saturday - omar s @ santos party house || matthew herbert @ studio b

You must admit though that our kind of music in this country has a much harder time bringing girls out than guys. There are just more dudes who pay attention than girls.

That said, the quality of females in this scene is by far the best of any club scene in the states IMO. I'll take quality over quantity if the alternative is the fake done-up whores we get at Sharam and trance shows.

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Originally posted by Clovis You must admit though that our kind of music in this country has a much harder time bringing girls out than guys. There are just more dudes who pay attention than girls. That said, the quality of females in this scene is by far the best of any club scene in the states IMO. I'll take quality over quantity if the alternative is the fake done-up whores we get at Sharam and trance shows.

if anything, it's because most of the people in the scene are musicians, deejays, label owners, etc - all statistically male-dominated.

that said, it always seems like a pretty fair mix of sexes when i go out. hardly a sausage fest. and if there are a lot of guys there, they aren't sexed-up, drunken bafoons - either coked/k-ed out or music lovers.

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Originally posted by nefardec you have to be kidding me check out the photo galleries http://www.beyondbooking.com/thebunker/galleries.asp i went nearly every week until they made it a monthly as far as others, there aren't many but: sunday best during the summer @the yard (sadly will be torn down for apartments) water taxi beach during the summer bunker house n home minimoo (not going anymore though, at least for a while) less deep space is just full of nuts of all sexes/genders there are always a lot of girls at studio b various parties thrown at APT various undergrounds and more have plenty of attractive females and males alike ps my recommendations for this weekend: friday - bunker w/ jus ed, fred p, dj qu, john tejada, silent servant saturday - omar s @ santos party house || matthew herbert @ studio b

adam, if you don't go to see matthew herbert i'm going to slap you silly.

i agree the bunker is gritty indeed. but, it's still a decent place with decent people, it's brooklyn! not manhattan, who chares about the people...it's about the music and the will to party.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY I would die of boredom

and

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if i would have been there it would be my worst night out EVER

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Originally posted by nefardec if anything, it's because most of the people in the scene are musicians, deejays, label owners, etc - all statistically male-dominated. that said, it always seems like a pretty fair mix of sexes when i go out. hardly a sausage fest. and if there are a lot of guys there, they aren't sexed-up, drunken bafoons - either coked/k-ed out or music lovers.

Same here. We're blessed with a wonderful group of girls who are into this music here and from the folks I know in NYC I suspect it isn't much different.

i can't wait till my next BK visit. it's such as an awesome place, it has a very distinct European feel to it, small coffee shops, laid back vibe, artistic and open minded. The clubs are underground in nature, the crowd is open to new sounds, there's diversity...awesome

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Originally posted by Clovis You must admit though that our kind of music in this country has a much harder time bringing girls out than guys. There are just more dudes who pay attention than girls. That said, the quality of females in this scene is by far the best of any club scene in the states IMO. I'll take quality over quantity if the alternative is the fake done-up whores we get at Sharam and trance shows.

In terms of hot sluts:

Exclusive club/lounges > trance/house/top 40 bars & clubs > techno/minimal parties


"quality"........

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Originally posted by Neo95gt In terms of hot sluts: Exclusive club/lounges > trance/house/top 40 bars & clubs > techno/minimal parties "quality"........

oi, your definition of quality might not be the same as Clovis's.
to each man his own.

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Originally posted by Neo95gt In terms of hot sluts: Exclusive club/lounges > trance/house/top 40 bars & clubs > techno/minimal parties "quality"........

Yeah whatever brah'

We have different taste in women.

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Originally posted by trancepeter this is actually interesting, many points you mention are frowned upon by people who are deep-rooted in the "scene" over here. without being offensive, maybe its different where you live? i have no idea where that is since your profile doesnt tell, but maybe there is an insufficient supply of good electronic music and thus people have to enjoy every possibility to get out and waste themselves? i think the disengagement of ones environment and daily problems is more a trance or handbag-house syndrome where people use the music as a catalyst to forget everyday life and get drunk and mate and have fun. this, again no offense, might apply to new york and other hip places, but certainly not for places like detroit or berlin which had hard times in the history (economical downturn, berlin wall) and whose musical history is based upon disappointed individuals and their way of coping with life.

I live in Australia; electronic music doesn't have much history here. Music is not in short supply here though; every week there are big internationals from every genre.

Interesting you say that the disengagement of one's environment is more of a trance or house syndrome, because Many of the original clubs like Paradise Garage in New York were for gay guys to enjoy themselves and forget the outside world where they were persecuted, and the Northern Soul clubs in England allowed the clubbers to forget the harsh life they were enduring in mining towns with little else to do. I disagree with you; I believe that clubbing and all electronic music is about disengaging from the real world in a sense.

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Originally posted by david.michael Wait, I thought music wasn't supposed to push an agenda or message. Hedonism counts. Conforming to non-conformity is still conformity, etc.

It depends on your definition of "an agenda" I suppose. I was talking more about songs that preach against war or some other major issue. Being mostly non-vocal, dance music doesn�t tend to do this.

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Originally posted by david.michael It seems to me that you're still saying "dance music shouldn't be ________, it should be ________". I say, let people enjoy dance music for whatever reason it brings them enjoyment.

No, I'm completely agreeing with you; dance music DOESN'T push agendas or expect people to act in a certain way like other genres do. It lets people enjoy it the way they want.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Interesting you say that the disengagement of one's environment is more of a trance or house syndrome, because Many of the original clubs like Paradise Garage in New York were for gay guys to enjoy themselves and forget the outside world where they were persecuted, and the Northern Soul clubs in England allowed the clubbers to forget the harsh life they were enduring in mining towns with little else to do. I disagree with you; I believe that clubbing and all electronic music is about disengaging from the real world in a sense.

i suspect we are talking about the same thing from two different points of view as i said, the original clubbing developed partly (mostly?) because of bad circumstances, be it work life, the political situation or social problems. gay guys partying in a club because they are persecuted elsewhere is a political statement for me. they show to the other guests that they are regular people who also want to enjoy themselves. the disengangement which i criticise is because of NON-awareness of politics and social problems, just getting drunk and have fun in an ignorant way is what i mean. and the latter is what i associate with the trance and commercial house "scene"

(hope that makes sense its very late over here )

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Originally posted by trancepeter i suspect we are talking about the same thing from two different points of view as i said, the original clubbing developed partly (mostly?) because of bad circumstances, be it work life, the political situation or social problems. gay guys partying in a club because they are persecuted elsewhere is a political statement for me. they show to the other guests that they are regular people who also want to enjoy themselves. the disengangement which i criticise is because of NON-awareness of politics and social problems, just getting drunk and have fun in an ignorant way is what i mean. and the latter is what i associate with the trance and commercial house "scene" (hope that makes sense its very late over here )

You're making perfect sense. I agree with you, the original ideals of clubbing have probably been lost. Over here, this isn't unique to trance and handbag house either.

I can see how this would piss people off, but being a relatively un-political person who is pretty happy with the way things are run within this country, I'm content enough with clubbing to be just another form of entertainment with no particular meaning behind it.

However, what does piss me off is the way people have abused this form of entertainment; it's become a mainstream activity which is no longer so special. Without drugs and alcohol, many people wouldn't attend. Nothing wrong with getting intoxicated, but it annoys me the way clubs seem to have become used for that almost exclusively. So many people just aren't there for the music.

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