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Originally posted by infinity HiGH Lottie is a great (or was, I dunno what she's doin now) female house DJ from England. Really good taste in music.

DJ Irene will always be my fav female DJ...she is unbelievably good...at times. She is so diverse...I've heard everything from Uplifting Trance to Dark Dirty Tribal to Hardstyle to Breaks from her.

edit: she also gets the hottest chicks

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Originally posted by MissK Males are more predominant as DJ's than females because males have a tendency to be obsessive. I've discussed this with some male DJ friends and they will admit that it is a huge factor they will sit for days and mix and practice and get new tracks and produce new tracks. I mean DAYS. They obsess. They can't stop. They won't stop. The best are obsessive. trust. The love for the music is just the beginning.

Wha?
Women aren't obsessive?? That's the first I've heard of that.

The male dominance of the industry is a big factor in keeping women away. It's a cycle that is difficult to change. I think young women starting out are perhaps intimidated by how outnumbered they are, and how much they have to push and fight to get ahead (which men do as well, but as mentioned, most men do this naturally, and most women need to make more of an effort.) Nevermind the general reaction to career aggressive women - they are demanding, or bitchy or whatever. I think many women don't like these labels and back down to avoid them. The key for young women starting out IMO - in this industry and others where women are the minority - is to find a good mentor, someone isn't afraid of these labels and who doesn't resort to using her appearance to get ahead. Unless you are in the business of taking your clothes off, resorting to sexuality tactics to get ahead will never ever earn you the respect you want.

btw...chemenhanced is doing a topless set over this long weekend..

amanda astra is a pretty good example of one starting out and disregarding any social boundaries. seems to be doing quite well (plug: she'll be doing a 3 hr set at hotel on thurs)

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Originally posted by El K Dee btw...chemenhanced is doing a topless set over this long weekend..

nothing but my buttless leather chaps and a smile....yeah baby

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced nothing but my buttless leather chaps and a smile....yeah baby

that would be semi bottomless as well...doesnt work bud..

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Originally posted by jchung52 amanda astra is a pretty good example of one starting out and disregarding any social boundaries. seems to be doing quite well (plug: she'll be doing a 3 hr set at hotel on thurs)

How long has she been DJing? I've never heard of her. Is this her full time job?

I'm more talking about full time, internationally touring (or aspiring) DJs whose sole career goal is to DJ/produce.

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Originally posted by kaniz *puts on his 1st year gender studies hat* obsessiveness is just a gender construct that's been forced onto the male 'gender trait' since birth and is a result of social conditioning from a young age. If females were given dumpster-trucks instead of ballerina tootoo's at a young age, they'd be behind the decks and not in go-go cages.

how?

what encourages them to be obsessive compared to women?

Ok, that post was a not-so-serious poke at the original posters linking things to feminism/etc.

But, hrmm - wish I could find the article again, I skimmed over it the other day, but it was along the lines of "Why men tend to become more obsessive gamers than women" (which I think can apply to this)

The gist of the article was though - Generally speaking, men have a different neurological response to 'winning' than females. There is a center in the brain that gets activated that triggers the 'reward' center of the brain.

This is why you generally see it's men that get addicted to things like video games, gambling, etc - its a neurological response. Part of being competitive is the desire to "win". This can include things like figuring out tough problems, perfecting a skill, or kicking someoens ass at a video game.

While females can be just as capable of doing it, they may not get the same 'rush' from it that men do, and may not lead to the same type of obsessive behavior.

Didn't read the whole study (and cant find the link for it right now), but I think that was the point they were getting at (atleast for video games), but don't think its that far of a stretch to apply it to other skills / etc.

The next time I go out and I see her, I'll ask if I can try on her sunglasses.

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Originally posted by Dior Homme The next time I go out and I see her, I'll ask if I can try on her sunglasses.

hope for a different perspective through them?

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Originally posted by Skipper How long has she been DJing? I've never heard of her. Is this her full time job? I'm more talking about full time, internationally touring (or aspiring) DJs whose sole career goal is to DJ/produce.

oh ok gotcha.. but u gotta start somewhere. she started last summer i believe officially. she def has lots of support from colleagues

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Originally posted by kaniz

oh so you are backing up my theory that Men are more obsessive than women?? and have tendencies psychologically that make them want to be DJ's as opposed to women?

*slightly confused*

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Originally posted by Skipper The male dominance of the industry is a big factor in keeping women away.

I don't know any women that wouldn't dj based on the fact it's generally a male dominated career. I can't see this being a reason for a chick to not pick up the decks and go for it.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH (as for why there aren't many female DJ's I think it's because most women just don't get THAT into the music and everything behind it.)

weve had more female djs pop up in the last year here than ever... its pretty insane! not to mention a handful female veterans who kill it on the regular...


been crazy, they are trying to take mah jobs!





no im kidding, we work together

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Originally posted by MissK I don't know any women that wouldn't dj based on the fact it's generally a male dominated career. I can't see this being a reason for a chick to not pick up the decks and go for it.

It is typical in male dominated industries, and it is subtle. It is not a reason why they don't start, but it can be a contributing factor to leaving. The boys club, the sexism, it is prevalent everywhere but obviously moreso in male dominated professions.

It sounds like you are just kind of speculating on what you think a woman may or may not do in a situation that you haven't actually been in before.

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Originally posted by Skipper It is typical in male dominated industries, and it is subtle. It is not a reason why they don't start, but it can be a contributing factor to leaving. The boys club, the sexism, it is prevalent everywhere but obviously moreso in male dominated professions.

in terms of djing, all that is just speculation on part of the worried woman.

guys love female djs (and yes i speak on behalf of all males on earth..lol)

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Originally posted by El K Dee in terms of djing, all that is just speculation on part of the worried woman. guys love female djs (and yes i speak on behalf of all males on earth..lol)

Sexism, boys club, lower pay, it is not speculation, in DJing or any other profession.
Give women some credit, they do not leave something they love because of mere speculation.

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Originally posted by Skipper Sexism, boys club, lower pay, it is not speculation, in DJing or any other profession. Give women some credit, they do not leave something they love because of mere speculation.

i've only seen them leave when they dont get gigs and they dont get gigs cos they dont do any self promotion.

so based on self pity, they blame sexism and get bitchy

ive seen it on more than 3 occasions..

Why do we care what a person who has been partying for 1.5 years has to say?

I actually read the whole thing and I think I deserve congratulations. I don't know why the bashing of top 40 clubs was in there or the feminist rant either.

Believe me, we may think the people in the top 40 scene are goofs, but they think the same about us.

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Originally posted by El K Dee i've only seen them leave when they dont get gigs and they dont get gigs cos they dont do any self promotion. so based on self pity, they blame sexism and get bitchy ive seen it on more than 3 occasions..

I don't doubt that happens. It happens everywhere, with men and women.
That's totally not what I'm talking about though. It's funny how you seem to equate what I am talking about with being lazy ...no surprise I guess.

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Originally posted by El K Dee i've only seen them leave when they dont get gigs and they dont get gigs cos they dont do any self promotion. so based on self pity, they blame sexism and get bitchy ive seen it on more than 3 occasions..

And I can count more than 3 guys who have done the same

I'm happy that theres a bunch of new lady djs poppin' up in the scene
Now we have Sydney, Alicia Hush, Alexandra, Zeina, Fran and Amanda Astra.. props to them

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Originally posted by barbina And I can count more than 3 guys who have done the same I'm happy that theres a bunch of new lady djs poppin' up in the scene Now we have Sydney, Alicia Hush, Alexandra, Zeina, Fran and Amanda Astra.. props to them

There is nothing hotter then a girl mixing *wipes drool*

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Originally posted by Skipper I don't doubt that happens. It happens everywhere, with men and women. That's totally not what I'm talking about though. It's funny how you seem to equate what I am talking about with being lazy though...no surprise I guess.

I'm not equating with laziness but rather poor/passive marketing.

I've seen far more skilled/talented female djs that haven't made it anywhere than the ones everyone in TO seem to love and admire.

And these women got gigs whenever they wanted....promoters willingly gave them opportunities..

In fact, I'm gonna be so bold to say that if I were a woman, I'd prolly already be big in the scene

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Originally posted by El K Dee I'm not equating with laziness but rather poor/passive marketing. I've seen far more skilled/talented female djs that haven't made it anywhere than the ones everyone in TO seem to love and admire. And these women got gigs whenever they wanted....promoters willingly gave them opportunities.. In fact, I'm gonna be so bold to say that if I were a woman, I'd prolly already be big in the scene

Sometimes talented people decide it's not for them, male or female.
There's an element that works for you and against you as a woman in the scene - sometimes you get gigs because you're a chick and sometimes you don't. You have to accept that this happens and be okay with it.

I have personally found in the scene that there is more emphasis placed on personal appearance vs performance than in a regular day job. You have to be cool with dudes staring at you for several hours while you're trying to work. Some women may not be comfortable with this, no matter how much talent they have.

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Originally posted by barbina Shes in the middle

Yah I'd stick it in her.......



Let me ask you all something...

Did this chick ask for her lil spiel and pic to be posted on this forum???

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