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Well at least there is one good thing about this thread... It made my day! THANKS GUYS

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Originally posted by cronodevir That's not the sentiments ive encountered. Ive actually walked into a music store and the owner made fun because I used software synths..lol This was in 2006

I haven't heard your tunes... but that just doesn't make sense and I know this biz and bunch of well established label owners. I am telling you it doesn't matter bro. Maybe they didn't dig your tunes and that's their way of being nice and saying no thanks.

Not only with my tunes, ive seen others. Maby its not like that all the time, but given the zealots in this thread who cling to hardware, i would doubt it doesn't exist...

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Originally posted by ONDRAY I haven't heard your tunes... but that just doesn't make sense and I know this biz and bunch of well established label owners. I am telling you it doesn't matter bro. Maybe they didn't dig your tunes and that's their way of being nice and saying no thanks.

LOL it doesn't make ANY difference in being succesful.......

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Originally posted by Raphie ..it doesn't make ANY difference in being succesful.......

Well put.

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Originally posted by Lolo Look at Subtle, I know that he likes hardware that much, and you know that I've been doing everything in the box for years. Any noticeable difference? Not really.

I use alot of romplers though (Trilogy, Omnisphere and Nexus) i think they replicate hardware synths just perfect.

little bit of outboard , no compression, EQ or FX, get your Arturia out and impress me.....[[ LINK REMOVED ]]
note the thickness and edge in the low end and the curve of the filter....

harware is better. i know cause i use software and my tracks are really bad

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Originally posted by Raphie what i will do tonight, is record some Voyager and Phatty material. then one can try if he can post something that comes close to it.... The proof of the pudding is in the eating, right?

Do This.

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Originally posted by palm harware is better. i know cause i use software and my tracks are really bad

Not better, different....... and my tracks suck as well

one thing that i believe is better with software is making full on psytrance / goa.

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Originally posted by cronodevir That's not the sentiments ive encountered. Ive actually walked into a music store and the owner made fun because I used software synths..lol This was in 2006

This guy�s main goal, is to make you want to buy hardware. That�s what brings him the cash.
Either way, these guys generally know jack shit.
But my response was aimed at people in the music business. They never turn down a great
song, because it�s made purely with vsti synths. Why would that matter anyway? If the sound is gold, it�s all gold.

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Originally posted by Beyer They never turn down a great song, because it�s made purely with vsti synths. Why would that matter anyway? If the sound is gold, it�s all gold.

Yeah absolutely, Take a listen to James Holden - Horizons it was made with software and that was back in the year 2000!

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Originally posted by Raphie Not better, different....... and my tracks suck as well

Only think odd about your myspace tracks is they are all incredibly dry...slap more reverb on them man!

I've listened to your tracks and i honestly think their recorded in a cathedral. Which is not a bad thing, but a matter of taste.

I am a bit older (38) an making music for nearly 20 years now
I've seen them all from JUNO 106, Deepbass nine, to LM7, NEON and Rebirth. VSTI's have come a long way since then, but i think that the overall transition from OTB to ITB was even more impressive.

I've cherrypicked best of both worlds for my liking. Mostimportant is that you enjoy what you do and do it for yourself. If you put your guts in it, people will hear that, it's as much about the trip as the destination...

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Originally posted by palm harware is better. i know cause i use software and my tracks are really bad

idk why i initially took this thread seriously.

it depends what you want to do

this is really a never ending story and has so many threads on this subject that wont go away.

Here are the facts: an old analouge synth like:
a korg
Prophecy
a moog
the Prophet 5

or a JP-8000 or pretty much any analog synth from way back when will out perform software.

but now a days some of the hardware synths really are not hardware so they sound like softsynths like

like a microkorg or roland juno or a Alesis Micron

most of these synths are modeling analog synths and are simply just
romplers and are actually daws them selves so they will sound like softsynths.


If you want that true trance sound id say go with Hardware analouge
not modeled synths and also use softsynths like .


what rank 1 does you can see there studio here
http://www.rank-1.com/transverydigitaldiscom/

i love there sound but will never get there sound because i only use softsynths and they use both.

Softsynths can sound like some hardware but you can tell the difference unless you use lots of effects. The only great thing about soft synths i mean the best creation in software was by far Native instruments when they created Absynth and Reaktor

because abynth will alow you to create sounds no one has heard before and sound unique and reaktor will let you make your own instruments again allow you the opportunity to have unlimited possibilities to have any such sound you want ,thats one thing you c ant do with hardware. So you can have your own sound unique sound with software ,hardware may sound more fat more natural ,more warmth but you will sound like evryone else. So pick your poison!

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Originally posted by Stef Talk all you want, but no amount of hardware can buy you programming skills. Your entire logic is completely flawed because you fail to realize there are vast amounts of producers who are software only. Producers who have moved on from hardware to software. It has nothing to do with price, it is the simple fact that production skill is more valuable than any virus TI. It is people like you who have bought hardware and are upset with their investments because they cannot attain that instant pro-sound that they thought hardware would bring. So instead of actually working on programming and other synth mastery, you go on about how you are superior because you went out and bought something unnecessary.

True, hardware doesn't not buy you experience, but that is a given and I don't think even really needs to be said.

If this arguement however is going to turn into a "hardware will make you a better producer" thread I agree, its completely not true.
You said production skill is more valuable than a TI.

But you've failed to see you just changed the dynamic of the actual arguement *I* was making, with had nothing to do with production skills, it had to do with a single sound.
For the sake of WHAT is making that sound, (which is the arguement) hardware is better.
Will it make your music better? No, it will just make whatever sound you use hardware for sound better, but if the track sucks noones gonna say "damn but that Virus TI lead fackn rawked!"
And for the record its is not "people like me" who go out and buy hardware to find out I still suck at making trance.

I own one synth, novation xio, the rest are all softsynths. So no, I am not that person.

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Originally posted by david.michael And they are "cheaper" because you've already paid for the hardware portion of it... your DAW, which is doing the same things that today's VA's are doing. I think that's the point being made, here.

If they are doing the "same thing" than why do they sound different? and better?

If they don't sound better, than you're saying something like Z3TA is just as good as a Nord?
And if you're saying that, than nothing I say really matters anymore.

And for the record I think this thread is funny too, I'm not trying to take it too seriously but that fact is people have a lot to say about this issue as mundane as it may be at this point.

With all facts/opinions aside there is one simple idea that makes me side with hardware.
Look, sylenth, FM8 *WHATEVER* softsynth you use can prob make some really beautiful extraordinary sounds.

But the sounds coming from a TI or Nord just sound better. Deeper, richer, and all around better.
Softsynths, NO MATTER how good the fucking programmer, when you hear a "good synth" it still sounds like its fragile and wobbly, it sounds like its missing a certain character that I can't describe in any other way but just sounding SOFT.
Hardsynths (in MY opinion) don't sound wobbly and fragile. They sound solid, rigid, and they have more unique sonic character.

A good piece of hardware can be made to sound like shit if the programmer is shit.
And a good piece of software can be made to sound like gold if the programmer is gold.
But if you take that SAME programmer, (good or bad) his worst sounds will always be a little less worse from a TI than they would from something like Albino3.

If you own only one hardware synth, how are you so sure that VAs sound "better" than soft synths? Maybe you'll say that you've played around with a TI or a Nord a few times, but how are you so sure that your assessment of their sound wasn't tainted by your thinking "OMG it's a TI / Nord!!" Maybe if you went out and bought one and used it for a few months you would find yourself less starry-eyed?

There are plenty of people who have gone from mostly hardware to mostly software (like Lolo) with few regrets...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles There are plenty of people who have gone from mostly hardware to mostly software (like Lolo) with few regrets...

Count me as one who did exactly this. I still have a couple of hardware synths, but they are mostly for "real" sounds (Triton, JV-1080) and rarely get used. Sometimes I think I'm holding on to them for sentimental value.

Personally, I am currently more interested in see the effect of running signal through outboard hardware effects, software OR hardware sourced. I have been doing a couple of mixes lately through a software mastering chain, and seen a tremendous improvement in my overall sound. My next experiment is to pick up a good hardware compressor and run my mixes through that. I have a Triple-C hardware compressor at the moment that sounds remarkably god for such a cheap unit. API 2500 is the next target, but I'm going to try out the Waves API emulations first before I drop coin on the hardware API 2500.

Another point in this discussion that I haven't seen brought up is what the hardware advocates are doing with the audio AFTER it comes out of the synth? I mean, if software is truly inferior, as some are arguing, then wouldn't it follow that running your hardware synth through software plugins (EQ, Compression, etc.) would similarly destroy any perceived benefits of hardware synthesis? I seems to me that if you are truly going to extol the benefits of hardware over software, then you should have a completely software-free signal chain, which would include hardware EQ and Compression.

Just a thought...

Re: it depends what you want to do

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Originally posted by crazedonee or a JP-8000 or pretty much any analog synth from way back when

JP8000s are virtual analog, not real analog.

Oh man, You bet i love the reverb @ ralphie

To be fair, the reason why software will not -any time soon - emulate ahrdware is because software works with basic numbers, 1' and 0's...hard ware synths actually manipulate energy [electrical] and the neuancses [spelling?] will not be emulateable. In the future however software will certainly get the sound close enough that it won't even matter if its hardware or not because it will be the same sound.

What is requires is seeing how hardware synths [not Vas btw] manipulate electricity, and put that in a sensible code.

And if you want to get technically, Joes 303 will not sound exactly the same as Jacks 303...but that is a whole nother arguement.

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Originally posted by cronodevir To be fair, the reason why software will not -any time soon - emulate ahrdware is because software works with basic numbers, 1' and 0's...hard ware synths actually manipulate energy [electrical] and the neuancses [spelling?] will not be emulateable. In the future however software will certainly get the sound close enough that it won't even matter if its hardware or not because it will be the same sound.

Ehm.. a Virtual Analog synth is software in a hardware box.
But it just sounds better because they are better made synths, not because they come in a hardware box.
Am i really the only one getting this ?

maybe u mean analog synths..

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