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Originally posted by romz You know. Clubs are much like the food chain, it's either eat... or be eaten.. And the weak are always weeded out.. I'm not trying to make an insult on anyone's character, but from what I noticed the "trancey trance" guys most of the time have really pussified characters so people easily take advantage of that. If you guys knew wtf you were doing and acted like it, bartenders usually don't fuck with you because they know better. Pretty much, man the fuck up and wear your balls (at the very least when you go to a club) so people don't take advantage of you like that. Just a small tip for ya, didn't mean to offend anyone by this just trying to help. In short: Don't be like this when you walk in a club, but more like this ... And know what your doing, or at least act like you know what your doing and people won't fuck with you. It's a basic social power principle... That's my lesson for the day for you kids! Enjoy!

Ya...I don't walk into the club acting like I piss excellence, but I definitely don't cower or act timid either. I haven't had any problems in Atlanta or Miami. This story is specific to New York. I don't think there was anything in my character being portrayed as weak or meek.

Also PvDFan, you should definitely hit up Acosta. That's another show I'll be at. Friday night at the Mark, can't miss.

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 Weren't you really into trance when you first started posting, what happened to that?

I was, then I started listening to good music. Trance is still good, but only like 10% of it. House is on the climb up, while trance passed it's peak a while ago.

And I was just making a generalization, hence why I said nothing against anyone. Reason for that was because of the 'rip off' stories got me thinking there had to be a reason that person got ripped off. Every time I gave a bartender a $20 for a drink, I always get correct change, sometimes it takes a while because they are busy taking other orders but in the end they always bring you your money.

Mainly my point was, if you look like a person that can be taken advantage of, they won't hesitate to do it because they get the idea that you won't really do anything. Which is why first impressions matter!

Nah, I'm an extremely nice person.

But I can be assertive and aggressive as fuck when need be.

Hence me getting my change back after talking to the bartender.

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Originally posted by trancension Also PvDFan, you should definitely hit up Acosta. That's another show I'll be at. Friday night at the Mark, can't miss.

I'm surprised to say this, but I may choose this over Armin. I want to see Acosta and chill at the Mark. Might be my only chance to hear some good trance there.

I'm not.

George Acosta and Markus Schulz are actually my two favorite DJs at the moment. Armin has gotten a little too cheesy sadly. Still love his stuff for the most part...but Trance is suppose to be about the melodies and energy. And he's been trying to overcompensate with the vocals lately.

I hope I can get a ride to this...should be able to. The Mark isn't really walking distance from my place.

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Originally posted by trancension I'm not. George Acosta and Markus Schulz are actually my two favorite DJs at the moment. Armin has gotten a little too cheesy sadly. Still love his stuff for the most part...but Trance is suppose to be about the melodies and energy. And he's been trying to overcompensate with the vocals lately. I hope I can get a ride to this...should be able to. The Mark isn't really walking distance from my place.

I am giving armin a chance during WMC when i see him at cameo, his ASOT 380 recorded live from korea was good

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Originally posted by Dream Beamz I am giving armin a chance during WMC when i see him at cameo, his ASOT 380 recorded live from korea was good

Armin's still great.

He's just fallen from my #1 spot over the last year and a half. Still love his sets tremendously. Just a couple other DJs have stepped it up to become a bit more style in my opinion.

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Originally posted by romz You know. Clubs are much like the food chain, it's either eat... or be eaten.. And the weak are always weeded out.. I'm not trying to make an insult on anyone's character, but from what I noticed the "trancey trance" guys most of the time have really pussified characters so people easily take advantage of that. If you guys knew wtf you were doing and acted like it, bartenders usually don't fuck with you because they know better. Pretty much, man the fuck up and wear your balls (at the very least when you go to a club) so people don't take advantage of you like that. Just a small tip for ya, didn't mean to offend anyone by this just trying to help. In short: Don't be like this when you walk in a club, but more like this ... And know what your doing, or at least act like you know what your doing and people won't fuck with you. It's a basic social power principle... That's my lesson for the day for you kids! Enjoy!

romz, don't get me wrong, I don't have a confidence problem. The issue is having to reconcile a situation after the fact. Personally, I would not let a situation go if I had paid cash for a drink and the bartender took it upon him/herself to pocket my change.

The more insidious and scarier problem is if you use a credit/debit card and open a tab, and phantom drinks start accumulating on your tab. Unless you get some kind of running tally every time you get a drink (which I'm not sure they do), you have to wait and see how it turns out at the end of the night. With the amount of commotion that goes on at a crowded bar, or in this case club, and tabs open and bartenders swamped, I'm not surprised that tabs get totally screwed up. It's just a major hassle trying to sort it out with them at the end of a long night.

i don't get nervous walking up to a bar, but i do if i've got to give a speech in front of a class.

and i'm looking forward to seeing avb, regardless.

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Originally posted by slow clapper romz, don't get me wrong, I don't have a confidence problem. The issue is having to reconcile a situation after the fact. Personally, I would not let a situation go if I had paid cash for a drink and the bartender took it upon him/herself to pocket my change. The more insidious and scarier problem is if you use a credit/debit card and open a tab, and phantom drinks start accumulating on your tab. Unless you get some kind of running tally every time you get a drink (which I'm not sure they do), you have to wait and see how it turns out at the end of the night. With the amount of commotion that goes on at a crowded bar, or in this case club, and tabs open and bartenders swamped, I'm not surprised that tabs get totally screwed up. It's just a major hassle trying to sort it out with them at the end of a long night. i don't get nervous walking up to a bar, but i do if i've got to give a speech in front of a class. and i'm looking forward to seeing avb, regardless.

And thats why you shouldn't ever open a tab at a busy bar. It always happens, bartenders don't really have the best memories, especially when they take hundreds of orders on a busy night. Either bring cash or don't drink. There are always ATM's at every club, so I don't see why you couldn't withdraw some cash anyways. And if you do dispute the charges at the end of the night with them, who knows if you actually ordered the drinks or just bullshitting them and trying to get free drinks. Thats the dilemma they face. You gotta look at it from both sides of the table.

I'm not talking about phantom drinks on your bill by the way.

I'm talking phantom CHARGES.

As in, you get your bill, it's right. You sign, tip, leave. Get your bank statement (or credit card statement). And instead of having paid $120 that night. You ended up paying $120 and $80. ONE of the people this had happened to had used a debit card and only had ~$150 in his checking up to that night. He was very careful he said not to go over it. When the bill came, he was only around $120, so he took a nice sigh of relief. Apparently when he went to the bank that following Monday or whatever to put more money into the account, he was in the nagative by $50, as well as having a charge from the bank for over withdrawing.

You can claim all you want that the guy is an idiot for letting someone swipe his debit card, which by the sounds of it romz, is what you're going to claim. And to that, I think you're an idiot. As consumers, we're suppose to be able to walk into a business and have security and peace of mind that the business practices ethical behavior.

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Originally posted by trancension I'm not talking about phantom drinks on your bill by the way. I'm talking phantom CHARGES. As consumers, we're suppose to be able to walk into a business and have security and peace of mind that the business practices ethical behavior.

hear, hear!

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Originally posted by trancension I'm not. George Acosta and Markus Schulz are actually my two favorite DJs at the moment. Armin has gotten a little too cheesy sadly. Still love his stuff for the most part...but Trance is suppose to be about the melodies and energy. And he's been trying to overcompensate with the vocals lately. I hope I can get a ride to this...should be able to. The Mark isn't really walking distance from my place.

Wow, you would put Acosta up there with Markus? You seem to have good taste, so that makes me optimistic. I think Armin did great his last time here, but he does overplay the vocals at times. His Imagine album is a good example of that. Are you really going to 3 shows in a row the 1st, 2nd and 3rd?

Nah, unfortunately I don't think I'll be going up to Charlotte this go around. I really want to, but Markus is going to be here in Atlanta 3 weeks later. I can get my fix then.

I'm just leaving it on my "schedule" in an attempt to help advertise it some for other people who might be interested.

But Armin on the 1st and Acosta on the 3rd.

Although if anyone else from Atlanta is planning on going to see Markus on the 2nd, let me know...I can definitely be talked into going!

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Originally posted by trancension Although if anyone else from Atlanta is planning on going to see Markus on the 2nd, let me know...I can definitely be talked into going!

I would love to go, but unfortunately don't really have a good travel car. If there were some people going, I would definately look into it, depending on what my work situation is then.

I think I can safely say I don't lack confidence!

I'm curious to check out the parties that are coming up at The Mark, and I don't mind venturing outside of trance. I've actually grown quite fond of house and d&b.

... but yeah, I'm pretty much over Opera. Or anything that pops up on some random weeknight, because I'm definitely too old to be showing up at work at 8AM only mildly alert and functional!

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 Wow, you would put Acosta up there with Markus? You seem to have good taste, so that makes me optimistic. I think Armin did great his last time here, but he does overplay the vocals at times. His Imagine album is a good example of that. Are you really going to 3 shows in a row the 1st, 2nd and 3rd?

So wait, you haven't been out to see to Acosta yet!?!?

I kind of just noticed that was what you were saying...shit man, you should definitely go. His set at WETBar back in Dec'07 was fucking epic in my opinion.

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Originally posted by trancension So wait, you haven't been out to see to Acosta yet!?!? I kind of just noticed that was what you were saying...shit man, you should definitely go. His set at WETBar back in Dec'07 was fucking epic in my opinion.

Nope. Something always seems to keep me from going. Someone else would be in town close to him or I had other concerts to go to. I guess I just never made him a top priority. I knew he was good, but guess I never gave him a shot to be up with the best. It's another plus that his tickets are only 12 dollars compared to Armin's 30.

Well I would never suggest skipping Armin, but if you haven't seen Acosta and you don't think you'll be up for both, definitely check out Acosta.

The Mark is where its at man sound is superior better feel and the crowd my god so much better.


Im not missing a single show at the mark.

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Originally posted by trancension Well I would never suggest skipping Armin, but if you haven't seen Acosta and you don't think you'll be up for both, definitely check out Acosta.

Well, I don't want to miss him, but April is so full of stuff. Not only is there Armin, Acosta, and Markus, but about 5 concerts I want to go to also. I'm going to have to choose.

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Originally posted by ZeeRobot1 The Mark is where its at man sound is superior better feel and the crowd my god so much better. Im not missing a single show at the mark.

Well, I won't be able to make it to every show, but may check out more stuff. It really does sound like a better atmosphere. Now if only people like Markus Schulz could play there.

the mark sounds like the place to see a show. i'm gonna have to check it out.

so just wanted to throw this out there.

Jaytech @ The Mark would be a amazing show.

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Originally posted by ZeeRobot1 so just wanted to throw this out there. Jaytech @ The Mark would be a amazing show.

Seconded.

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