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Originally posted by hadi ****** when i was in college i took like a 2 year break from edm. just do whatever you want. who cares if people ask you if you took anything, just so no and thats that. eventually they will stop asking. i listen to anything that i think is good and good for you for doing the same. just remember who cares what anyone else thinks, its about what you think.

If per chance you referring to me, as it seems im the only one who said anything...i only confronted cause she chose to degrade the music and culture in her own words. Im not sure if she meant it truly how she said it, but thats why. I didnt say anything cause shes listening or not listening to edm lol...why would i give a fuck what she listens to ? I only defended this culture which she spoke down on.

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Originally posted by Waterproofpaper I used to listen to EDM all day everyday, but there are phases of burn out (and crap tracks lately). Ive started digging through my CDs and picked up mos def - black on both sides and man, i miss when hip hop was like this. Its really hard for me to like newer hip hop and rap, its all about the bass and less about the lyrics. Its even harder for me to listen to top 40. I remember when just dance came out and i was listening to what shes saying and its all "DOO DOO DOO DOO just dance." Or worse.. womanizer womanizer womanizer womanizer womanizer.... Ive started relistening to Kings of Leon (not their new album), Cut Copy, Gogol Bordello, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Common, and Shiny Toy Guns in the car. EDM is for home and the club. My mp3 player is full of random albums haha. I like music, not genres.

KINGS OF LEON ROCKS! haha I love EDM, but I get my hip hop, r&b & pop/rock fix once in a blue. Like on Saturday I was home and i was on youtube listening to old school hip hop & r&b for about a good 2 hours and got my fix haha.

Someone sent me a private message this morning, and I wanted to anonymously share it because his words were so SPOT ON, that he took the words right out of my mouth. He said what I was thinking and wanted to say, but didn't know how to express in words. (I already mentioned to him that I'm posting it on here).

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hi julia, i just wanted to give you my 2 cents worth about your post. what you said really resonated with me. especially this part: "With EDM, I almost feel like it was pulling wool over my eyes. I would sort of "escape" into the music and escape from problems (ie money, career, health, etc) rather than dealing with them (if that makes any sense). I would listen to EDM, and just hours would go by, and when I turned the music off, I would come back to reality without accomplishing anything." i think you are the one who used to have a sig that said something about music being really important or vital to life and that you felt sorry for people who didn't realize that. i might be getting you confused with someone else, but i remember that sig because at one time i completely agreed with it. but as time went on i began to actually feel sorry for whoever would think that. don't get me wrong, i dearly love music. music has the power to make you feel emotions and sensations that you would never feel otherwise. some of the strongest, and most wonderful moments in my life have been a result of music. but EDM is unique in that it can be quite hypnotic, and for some it can almost be like a drug. it can pull you into a "false world" where the pressing matters of the "real world" become marginalized. this is part of the reason that people love EDM, but for some it can go too far. i can totally understand (from my own experience) how EDM can serve as a vehicle of "escape." the last couple of years have been really hard for me. i've been dealing with many of the same issues that you are dealing with (money, career, health) as well as feelings of guilt, loneliness, regret, depression, and confusion. i also feel that i haven't nearly accomplished enough in my life thus far. i'm trying to deal with these issues and keep things in perspective. music is still something i get great enjoyment from, but i now try not to get too lost in it to the point where it hinders my life (or purposely use it as a distraction). i'm now just trying to see the "big picture" and to be more focused on the realities of life that i have neglected for so long. from one person with personal struggles to another, i sincerely hope things are working out better for you these days.

YES EXACTLY! Thank you for your PM

And yes, my signature on TA used to be "Music is life. Life is love. Love is music. Music is life".

On Myspace, I used to have "Music is my love, life, happiness, passion, religion, meditation, medication, escape, hobby, and drug. If you can't relate to me... I feel sorry for you".

LMAOOOOOO!!! I'm so glad I'm over that part of my life... and now I can focus on what I believe life is supposed to be.

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hi julia, i just wanted to give you my 2 cents worth about your post. what you said really resonated with me. especially this part: "With EDM, I almost feel like it was pulling wool over my eyes. I would sort of "escape" into the music and escape from problems (ie money, career, health, etc) rather than dealing with them (if that makes any sense). I would listen to EDM, and just hours would go by, and when I turned the music off, I would come back to reality without accomplishing anything." i think you are the one who used to have a sig that said something about music being really important or vital to life and that you felt sorry for people who didn't realize that. i might be getting you confused with someone else, but i remember that sig because at one time i completely agreed with it. but as time went on i began to actually feel sorry for whoever would think that. don't get me wrong, i dearly love music. music has the power to make you feel emotions and sensations that you would never feel otherwise. some of the strongest, and most wonderful moments in my life have been a result of music. but EDM is unique in that it can be quite hypnotic, and for some it can almost be like a drug. it can pull you into a "false world" where the pressing matters of the "real world" become marginalized. this is part of the reason that people love EDM, but for some it can go too far. i can totally understand (from my own experience) how EDM can serve as a vehicle of "escape." the last couple of years have been really hard for me. i've been dealing with many of the same issues that you are dealing with (money, career, health) as well as feelings of guilt, loneliness, regret, depression, and confusion. i also feel that i haven't nearly accomplished enough in my life thus far. i'm trying to deal with these issues and keep things in perspective. music is still something i get great enjoyment from, but i now try not to get too lost in it to the point where it hinders my life (or purposely use it as a distraction). i'm now just trying to see the "big picture" and to be more focused on the realities of life that i have neglected for so long. from one person with personal struggles to another, i sincerely hope things are working out better for you these days.

Main reason why I dont listen to trance anymore, It does put you in the position of escape with very little thought input, it puts blinders on you with no enlightment. And I guess thats why many have "graduated" from trance, to slower tempo stuff with more space like techno and deep house, music that lets you think a bit and helps pass time enjoyably. Earlier, I said trance has the attributes and dynamics of pop music, which is part of why its famous, but techno and deep house allow you to actually think, even though the energy from it is still fairly normalized throughout (very few breakdowns.) With that said, you don't have to stop listening to EDM to be able to focus on life, just change things up, as everyone has mentioned there is plenty of good music out there in other genres. And more than likely even if you stop one thing, you will replace with something else to occupy your mind. There is always television, the computer, cellphones/texting, we seem to attach ourselves to something at all times, and neglect more important things, usually something human or natural. This is why I talk about enslavement...we are truly enslaved by technology and other materials that are not of natural existence or purpose.

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Originally posted by Miss Julia YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! I love doing stuff like that! Remember that amazing hike in Santa Barbara with the two David's??? That's the kind of stuff I get excited about and look forward to doing on weekends now!

I told Rene recently, we need an SB camping trip or something for a weekend. Just to chill and relax. Some beers and some good music. Whatever that may be.

PS: Get stuff by Atmosphere. He is fucking GOOD.

I guess in all honesty, its best for someone like yourself to not be around edm. Even from looking at comments on here from those that know you, its seems you had more of a connection with the edm "scene", rather than the music itself. I believe that's obvious. Like ive said five times in this thread...its a good thing your listening to other music than edm. There's not a single dj or edm producer on the planet that doesn't themselves as well. Music is music. Everyone on here for the most part is obviously someone that knows you somewhat well and are only commenting on the issue of its ok to listen to different music and are ignoring the fact you degraded this musics culture. Hell i listen to everything from Bjork to the Artic Monkeys, Atmosphere to the Postal Service, Company Flow to Jack Johnson and everything in between. I agree and support you 2000 percent in enjoying the world of music in its entirety. Bashing this musics culture cause your immediate friends are druggies and you've suddenly discovered the beauty of other music is a no no though. Your on trance addict of all places, and its common sense someone other than your immediate group was gonna say something against your jaded views you stated. Everyone's comments to you on here are so ridiculous it makes me laugh. Basically saying " its ok, lets forget this edm thing and go live life, take camping trips and ride bikes, enjoy good foods and be happy" like people who listen to edm are exempt from living life and enjoying themselves, only to be confined to druggy association that prohibits them from enjoying life's beauty. That's beyond absurd on too many levels to discuss. To listen to other music and live life = right. To bash this music and culture cause you've suddenly found other music enjoyable and want to do new things = wrong.

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Most modern Pop and Rock music is manufactured crap.

Exactly what they want you to listen to, thousand of songs about rejection, heartbreak, sex, drugs and rock and roll.

that is just my opinon on top40, I just filled my ipod with a bunch of non edm melecholy and indie rock and a dogs and cats barking to the beatles album...

I agree with this

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Like I mentioned in my original post, it's so unmotivating for me to be around drugs all night. Whether I'm doing it or not, I just don't want to spend my weekends being around it anymore... seeing all the washers with their cracked out faces, hanging out at clubs and having conversations with people about how good the pill or K they just did is...

I am so fucking sick of Avalon.. I am going to break that, real soon.. I hate to not be there creating images, but I cant walk and just experience.. with some CRasian whipping their sweaty fucking hair in my face.

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I think Julia made a similar comment a few years ago, when the last depeche mode album was released.
yea, listening to that really makes everything much more simplified.

interesting thread. i've listened to that kind of stuff all along. i mean, i grew up listening to the early 90's grunge and still love old school stuff like ccr, the ramones, the clash, or the who. sometimes the scene does get to you.

ever since we started to permanently do orange county gigs we're noticing how vastly tiled the crowds can be towards hip-hop. however, in my opinion slowly but surely the two genres (at least as far as house music is concered) are blending together bit by bit.

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Originally posted by Lostvission I guess in all honesty, its best for someone like yourself to not be around edm. Even from looking at comments on here from those that know you, its seems you had more of a connection with the edm "scene", rather than the music itself. I believe that's obvious. Like ive said five times in this thread...its a good thing your listening to other music than edm. There's not a single dj or edm producer on the planet that doesn't themselves as well. Music is music. Everyone on here for the most part is obviously someone that knows you somewhat well and are only commenting on the issue of its ok to listen to different music and are ignoring the fact you degraded this musics culture. Hell i listen to everything from Bjork to the Artic Monkeys, Atmosphere to the Postal Service, Company Flow to Jack Johnson and everything in between. I agree and support you 2000 percent in enjoying the world of music in its entirety. Bashing this musics culture cause your immediate friends are druggies and you've suddenly discovered the beauty of other music is a no no though. Your on trance addict of all places, and its common sense someone other than your immediate group was gonna say something against your jaded views you stated. Everyone's comments to you on here are so ridiculous it makes me laugh. Basically saying " its ok, lets forget this edm thing and go live life, take camping trips and ride bikes, enjoy good foods and be happy" like people who listen to edm are exempt from living life and enjoying themselves, only to be confined to druggy association that prohibits them from enjoying life's beauty. That's beyond absurd on too many levels to discuss. To listen to other music and live life = right. To bash this music and culture cause you've suddenly found other music enjoyable and want to do new things = wrong.

Ok, to make it simple (again)...

I don't like going to events, clubs, bars, lounges, hotel parties or whatever else that caters to EDM anymore... because unfortunately, a majority of people are fucked up either on drugs or wasted off alcohol. I don't want to spend my nights or weekends at these events anymore, because I don't enjoy being around it. I don't want to have meaningless conversations with people over loud music. I'm not bashing anything... I'm stating a fact about the EDM scene (not the drug scene) is not my style anymore. I'm willing to not go to these events anymore and miss out on all my old favorite DJ's and producers (maybe I'll go out a couple times a year if it's really worth it - if it's a DJ/producer that I really respect and can't miss). I'll still listen to it at home once in a while... but I'm not going to spend my weekends to see DJ's at events, clubs, bars, lounges, hotel parties or whatever else anymore.

Hope that made sense and you don't go off on rants anymore... putting me (and my friends who posted in this thread) down.

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Originally posted by |Thrax| I am so fucking sick of Avalon.. I am going to break that, real soon.. I hate to not be there creating images, but I cant walk and just experience.. with some CRasian whipping their sweaty fucking hair in my face.

Ugh I know seriously!!! The last time I went there a couple months ago... it was terrible. Instead of focusing on the music (I think it was Droog & Troy Pierce), I was focusing on dodging washers and other crackheads.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Main reason why I dont listen to trance anymore, It does put you in the position of escape with very little thought input, it puts blinders on you with no enlightment. And I guess thats why many have "graduated" from trance, to slower tempo stuff with more space like techno and deep house, music that lets you think a bit and helps pass time enjoyably. Earlier, I said trance has the attributes and dynamics of pop music, which is part of why its famous, but techno and deep house allow you to actually think, even though the energy from it is still fairly normalized throughout (very few breakdowns.) With that said, you don't have to stop listening to EDM to be able to focus on life, just change things up, as everyone has mentioned there is plenty of good music out there in other genres. And more than likely even if you stop one thing, you will replace with something else to occupy your mind. There is always television, the computer, cellphones/texting, we seem to attach ourselves to something at all times, and neglect more important things, usually something human or natural. This is why I talk about enslavement...we are truly enslaved by technology and other materials that are not of natural existence or purpose.

Oh, I graduated from trance to the "dark side" many years ago

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel This thread is too fucking hard to read. Lostvision and kismet: l e a r n t o u s e t h e e n t e r k e y . t h a n k s .

LOL I know!

Nobody fucks wit Kanye.

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Originally posted by Miss Julia Ok, to make it simple (again)... I don't like going to events, clubs, bars, lounges, hotel parties or whatever else that caters to EDM anymore... because unfortunately, a majority of people are fucked up either on drugs or wasted off alcohol. I don't want to spend my nights or weekends at these events anymore, because I don't enjoy being around it. I don't want to have meaningless conversations with people over loud music. I'm not bashing anything... I'm stating a fact about the EDM scene (not the drug scene) is not my style anymore. I'm willing to not go to these events anymore and miss out on all my old favorite DJ's and producers (maybe I'll go out a couple times a year if it's really worth it - if it's a DJ/producer that I really respect and can't miss). I'll still listen to it at home once in a while... but I'm not going to spend my weekends to see DJ's at events, clubs, bars, lounges, hotel parties or whatever else anymore. Hope that made sense and you don't go off on rants anymore... putting me (and my friends who posted in this thread) down.

nobody put you down..nice way of reversing the issue. And what youve stated above is not what you originally said and came off saying...only reason i responded like i did. And rants...lol why do you think i even responded in the first place ? Somebody i dont know who....was ranting on about how edm this and edm that and she cant stand to be around people who say the dj did a good set and such..really.

after all this, it seems you're just not feeling the groove, or the vibe..

that's all.
sorry to hear, it'll come back.

I think you should go to EDC, Julia. It's going to be a wicked good time

I am getting jaded too and it has nothing to do with drugs. It's all the BS associated with clubbing, high ticket prices, nowhere to sit down, too big of rude crowds running into you on the dance floor... it goes on. There is plenty of new music that I like but even when I go see the producers who make it, they tend to play all this stuff I DON'T like instead of the tracks I do. I'm starting to say I'd rather stay home and listen to a set I know I'll like than pay a ton of money for a set I might not.

There are some total exceptions to the rule like Anjunabeats @ WMC this year, $30 tickets, plenty of seating and not too crowded, polite staff, amazing sound and lighting and DJ sets, these kind of parties keep me going but when I'm expected to pay twice the price for half the quality I'm starting to scoff. Maybe I need to keep sticking to more underground-type parties.

i think the same could be said about everything in life. (ie). Driving, I used to love driving aimlessly around town, out of town, canyons, highways; but now, I need a purpose. I loved changing to 5 or 6 gears gears but as I'm getting older (31 now) I want a chickomatic (automatic). Its just the way things are. When your young you say I never want to leave yet you end up leaving because it gets old. Same goes with the music and the EDM scene, I stopped partying back in 2000. Before then I was all over the place, after 2000, I noticed things where changing; since then, in order to preserve the love for events, music and people I started to go sparingly (sp?). I can tell you, I haven't gone to an event since fright EDT in Richmond, I plan on going to one this year, just not sure which.

Life; it just happens.

What's your favorite HipHop tune, Julia?

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Originally posted by money What's your favorite HipHop tune, Julia?

Right now, its:

i'm so sorry to hear that the club on vine has ruined your love for the music. i also go to avalon but always try to stay away from the usual laundromat area. you just need to know where to hang out so you can enjoy the music.

but of course, the only club that most washers haven't totally invaded is KING KING. rarely will you see them and everybody is there to have a great time.

well, we just never saw you there. :/

and i'm sure everybody here listens to other types of music. we need variety in our lives. if not, life will be boring.

but i'm sure someday, you'll be back and will be more appreciative of the dark side

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Originally posted by Miss Julia Aww Rich, I was waiting for your post!! Yes, pretty much the only times I listen to EDM now are when I'm jogging or working out. Also, if I go out at all anymore (like the past few times I've went out), I don't stay out late. I just don't have energy to stay up all night, and I don't have as much fun. I mostly just go out to see friends.

i feel ya on that. i still enjoy the music every bit as much as before, but lately it takes a lot to motivate me to go out to the club. especially the big ones on the big nights. most of the time it's something i decide to do on the night of at the last minute. with the things you're dealing with in la on such nights at such clubs--like traffic, paying for parking, expensive cover, no ins and outs, bigger crowds and the exorbitance of disgusting crackheads within--i would have been over it a looong time ago myself. but i don't think it's the music. if you went out to hip hop clubs, you would probably get sick of them too. maybe it's not crackheads this time, but persistent assholes instead. either way, it's normal to get jaded from the club scene once you've become too familiar with it.

the whole routine of staying out late, getting hammered, hearing damage, dealing with drunk people, trying to pass out after being overstimulated, sleeping in, eating like crap, and all the money thrown at the whole exercise seems less appealing to me than a nice 50 mile bike ride through the headlands or a 3 hour climb at the gym followed by a king's meal. and because i enjoy doing that, the physical toll of "clubbing" is that much more intense and makes it even less worthwhile. but goddamn does edm make that 50 mile ride so much more pleasant.

i still like going to the club to hear good music, but to be honest i have a helluva lot more fun at edm parties that are not in clubs. the fact that there was a day party for every night party at wmc helped me to see the contrast better. and just last sunday i went to the sickest park party ever, which only furthered that belief. that said, i'm not opposed to staying up all night every once in a while listening to a really good dj play a really long set. i would just prefer that happened at a smaller club or underground, where the vibe is strong. and even though i have an ear for rock and hip hop, i could never imagine listening to either for that long.

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Originally posted by Miss Julia Right now, its:

At least listen the house remix w/ the higher bpm

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Originally posted by R!CH i still like going to the club to hear good music, but to be honest i have a helluva lot more fun at edm parties that are not in clubs.

+5324589 on this. Or EDM parties that are at really small clubs that don't pack like sardines. Those two are the best parties imho. You can just chill with friends and enjoy yourself.

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