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Armin and Anjuna killed trance.

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Originally posted by Subtle Armin and Anjuna killed trance.

Judging by your sample, it's no wonder you think that!

cept no one who makes trance is creative.

its a 4/4 beat, a 4 or 8 bar chord progression in c major or a minor, and a 1 key bass that is based on the root note of each bar's chord, half of it is from vengeance packs, they all have intro-buildup-climax-breakdown-buildup-climax-outro formula, almost all of them use a stupid pvd pluck of some kind, 50% of it uses bongos, and most of the people that make it are incompetent musicians, nor are they able to make their own sounds...and this is just the pros....ive not described the amateur trance scene yet

that description fits 90% of trance today. this stuff is not even good enough to be called elevator music anymore

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Originally posted by Subtle Armin and Anjuna killed trance.

like you were saying before about different genres kinda fucking things up but it's thanks to these cross overs why its still good to make and hear.


i mean i love tech trance and my work for the most part falls into that area.

but if i decide to branch out i can i find that in other genres lets say house only puts me into making one type of format, how boring unless you take things from other genres with is what often happens.

i often hear people that make trance put their mind to something else and end up coming up with something that has derived from trance but just made more interesting.

i need to stop talking and go and play in fl

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Originally posted by Beatflux Judging by your sample, it's no wonder you think that!

Hehe I used to like Armin though, until around 2004.
Now he and his fellow dutch men controls the whole fucking trance scene. There is barely any successful trance DJ outside the Top 100 DJ list.

Trance is dying with cracked music tools, digital labels and thousands of tutorials about creating the same fucking music.

Anyways, there is still alot of stuff you can do with trance, you just have to stop copying music and make your own shit.

And even if you do make your own stuff, no one is going to care unless Armin or his fellows plays it.

IMO if you want to make cool trance, wipe your head of any reference sound or track you might have and just go in there with blank page, use all sounds that sounds good without even thinking about genres at all.

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Originally posted by cronodevir cept no one who makes trance is creative. its a 4/4 beat, a 4 or 8 bar chord progression in c major or a minor, and a 1 key bass that is based on the root note of each bar's chord, half of it is from vengeance packs, they all have intro-buildup-climax-breakdown-buildup-climax-outro formula, almost all of them use a stupid pvd pluck of some kind, 50% of it uses bongos, and most of the people that make it are incompetent musicians, nor are they able to make their own sounds...and this is just the pros....ive not described the amateur trance scene yet that description fits 90% of trance today. this stuff is not even good enough to be called elevator music anymore

that may be true for a area of producers making trance. and i'm guessing that percentage is geared for the dance floor.

and if you so wished was applicable to all dance music.

i just think that with trance you can get away with so much more. on a music level at least.

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Originally posted by Subtle Hehe I used to like Armin though, until around 2004. Now he and his fellow dutch men controls the whole fucking trance scene. There is barely any successful trance DJ outside the Top 100 DJ list. Trance is dying with cracked music tools, digital labels and thousands of tutorials about creating the same fucking music. Anyways, there is still alot of stuff you can do with trance, you just have to stop copying music and make your own shit. And even if you do make your own stuff, no one is going to care unless Armin or his fellows plays it. IMO if you want to make cool trance, wipe your head of any reference sound or track you might have and just go in there with blank page, use all sounds that sounds good without even thinking about genres at all.

very good point and is very hard to do mainly because people need inspiration and feel that keeping up with the times is more important. witch it kinda is i mean no one wants to make tracks that people dislike.

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Originally posted by owien very good point and is very hard to do mainly because people need inspiration and feel that keeping up with the times is more important. witch it kinda is i mean no one wants to make tracks that people dislike.

If you listen and like something from every or most EDM genre and subgenre, you are able to mix things up and make cool stuff.

If you only listen to Trance, or one specific type of trance or EDM you are never able to create anything more than that.

So basically, listen to all EDM genres there is and find stuff you like about them, only if you can open yourself up to other genres and types of music, only then are you able to create something new.

Simply put, you can only create the music style you like.

Anyone wanna jamsession with VSTunnel?

http://www.vstunnel.com/en/0,41,00.html

You put it on your master and connect to a session, and the master channels form all participants is synced up, in the free version you can't save, and the loop is limited to 1 minute long on low/medium quality...but you can use Edison or another program to record the master, and the quality is good enough.

Me and Cybernetika use it all the time, atleast 2 times a week for a couple hours. Its good for two to 3 people, any more and its kinda crowded.

Best of all, you can use any host. I can use cubase, cyber could use fl and someone could use ableton or logic for example, doesn't matter.

Anyways, if people want to session then hit me up crono_devir @ hotmail .com on windows live messenger [msn messenger]





I posted this because we are all talking about inspiration and doing new stuff, what better way than to jamsession?

I'll throw up some mp3s of our last jamsession. Its about 30 minutes of music [couple of hours making it, only the goodaprts saved :P]

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Simply put, you can only create the music style you like.

haha very true

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Originally posted by cronodevir Anyone wanna jamsession with VSTunnel? http://www.vstunnel.com/en/0,41,00.html You put it on your master and connect to a session, and the master channels form all participants is synced up, in the free version you can't save, and the loop is limited to 1 minute long on low/medium quality...but you can use Edison or another program to record the master, and the quality is good enough. Me and Cybernetika use it all the time, atleast 2 times a week for a couple hours. Its good for two to 3 people, any more and its kinda crowded. Best of all, you can use any host. I can use cubase, cyber could use fl and someone could use ableton or logic for example, doesn't matter. Anyways, if people want to session then hit me up crono_devir @ hotmail .com on windows live messenger [msn messenger] I posted this because we are all talking about inspiration and doing new stuff, what better way than to jamsession? I'll throw up some mp3s of our last jamsession. Its about 30 minutes of music [couple of hours making it, only the goodaprts saved :P]

i'm game only a bit confused how it all works so i will need to have a lookie and see how to do this shit

I agree, VSTunnel is really awesome if you are looking for inspiration. If you dont have a creative producer near you, look for one on the internet and jam away. The end result is not always amazing, sometimes it is a bit predictable and very loopy... but this is not the point. It will give you a sense for arrangement and harmony progressions, and if you feel like you have a mental blockade you can always hope for the other one to inspire you, if all fails just contribute a loop.

I recommend you record your jamsessions with audacity or something like that. This way you can see how the sounds evolved. If all persons working on the session save frequently, you can always go back to a certain point where you think "oh this sounds nice, lets make it a starting point for a track". I actually had a lot of these moments when we just had a nice groove going.

I'm using vstunnel right now, download it, install it, put it on your master [AFTER your limiter [use a limiter please]] then go to join and type in the name.. the name of my room is "Sixofour"

ive installed the plug-in ect and for some reason it fails to let me join any private or public sessions

open it, click join then click private, then type in sixofour and hit enter..

What happens?

no wait i think i am getting some were.so i guessing when you are up for a jam you play away and create your own session am i right?

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Originally posted by cronodevir open it, click join then click private, then type in sixofour and hit enter.. What happens?

i will try this again didn't work first time so second time lucky

I think one of the differences between a great artist and a mediocre artist, is that the mediocre artist uses rules to conform while the great artist uses rules to help inspire creativity.

The sculptor asks himself, "What can I make of this block of wood?"

If there weren't any rules, art wouldn't be art. The fun of it is imposing a rule on yourself so you can see just how creative you can be.

There's also the issue of people wanting to conform to emulate success, while at the same time people are neophiles and they get tired of the same old thing. You see this all of the time in pop music where there's some band or artist with a certain sound, and it gets copied a million times and then people eventually hate it. So something new comes out and it happens all over again.

i told someone i liked trance and they said they hated it. this person was hot, had nice boobs, and a freshly waxed vagina (but i'm only guessing). it seems my recent fling with trance means no nani bobani, but i much prefer cosmosis in the bedroom to finely toned legs and a flat stomach griding on my crotch.

haha this is such a cool idea or thoe if you had really diffrent tastes in tunes then things would be a bit shit but me and
cronodevir seemed to be on the same wave lenth

well if cronodever or cybernectka want a jam sesh then just pm me or any one who is game then tis be good

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Originally posted by owien http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqGM...feature=related

why doesnt it have bass? rofl

I'd like to hear the results of these jam sessions.

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Originally posted by david.michael I'd like to hear the results of these jam sessions.

i will have to remember to save sessions next time. thing is its so much fun i will setup a jam session some time in the week then post up the jam code so people can join in

Wow vst-tunnel sounds wtfaweome. u guys have any hardware? is anyone down to try it right now?

I made a room, name: "Mambart"

curious to see how this works

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