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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J That's actually beside the point though. Bob Sinclar is played on daytime radio here. He's featured on your average supermarket Ministry of Sound compilation. You don't need to recommend Bob Sinclar. The most clueless person in the world can find Bob Sinclar. A girl asked me what music I liked once, and when I replied "dance music" she played a Bob Sinclar track on her phone. "Stuff like this?" It's not really about Bob Sinclar being poisonous, although that's why I singled him out in particular, but rather how massively visible he is. Likewise Daft Punk. Everyone knows Daft Punk. You don't need to recommend Daft Punk, because everyone who has any interest in dance music will check out DP in their own time. I actually think it's condescending to think people would be so clueless that they need guiding onto gateway music like Sinclar or DP. If they're asking, they want taking past gateway music.

You're forgetting that the poster is from America. In the UK and Australia you hear the kind of stuff I recommended on the radio, but not so much in America.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper The fact that you just used the term "proper electronic music" in this context just further underlines my point. You really should quit putting electronic music on such a high pedestal that you consider it necessary for people to have a "gateway" before they "get it".

I used the term "proper electronic music" in quotation marks because it was being said slightly ironically. I still see Bob Sinclar as proper music, but a few other people obviously don't. I really hate Love Generation, but I like a lot of his other stuff.

america =/= canada

Being from Canada you will never hear even the most commercial house tunes that are big in Europe. Most are scared of anything with a 4/4 and when they hear anything edm-ish hafta do some sort of "pretend I'm raving action and say something like, I'm feeling the music" in a ridiculous and condesending way.

My roommates used to think it was hilarious to flash the lights on and off when I played tunes.

Anyways as such, the amount of exposure to certain music someone already has influences the topic a bit....

I would show her the tracks that you're literally into at this very moment.

I know intuitively it might seem like you need to water things down--start off with cheesy house or trance, since that seems to be the most common way each of us got into dance music, I don't think there's anything in reality preventing someone from getting into dance music by hearing something more underground or "advanced" (however loaded that term might be).

In reality, I think the individual tracks/artists are almost irrelevant--what matters the most in my opinion is the context that you introduce someone to dance music. Playing tracks off your computer, for example, probably isn't going to win over anybody, no matter what you're playing. But if you bring someone to a club or show, where she can see a whole crowd getting into it, experience the volume, the lights, a couple of drinks, etc...then I think even pretty underground music can feel "right" to a newcomer.

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Originally posted by daphunky1 Being from Canada you will never hear even the most commercial house tunes that are big in Europe. Most are scared of anything with a 4/4 and when they hear anything edm-ish hafta do some sort of "pretend I'm raving action and say something like, I'm feeling the music" in a ridiculous and condesending way. My roommates used to think it was hilarious to flash the lights on and off when I played tunes. Anyways as such, the amount of exposure to certain music someone already has influences the topic a bit....

you live in the middle of nowhere. (canada's idaho)

in the cultural centers of the country there are tons of stations that cater to dance music. It might be cheesy crap, but it is there.

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Originally posted by elFreak My comment was directed to associating women with liking cheesy vocal house.

was i wrong?

I just started talking to a girl who is interested in but very new to EDM...she is starting off listening to stuff like Booka Shade and already enjoys techno. She discovered all this on her own. Its definitely not impossible for women to have good taste from the beginning.

And it'll be that much easier to corrupt her even more.

give her some chris liebing stuff

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Originally posted by palm was i wrong?

yes.

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Originally posted by palm give her some chris liebing stuff

no.

Ya Chris Liebing might be a bit much to start.

There`s been an update:

She likes Sasha`s first Involver.

She likes Deep Dish` George Is On Album, well mostly because of the track with Stevie Nicks.

She likes that Desyn set, and loved the James Brown tribute Danny Howells` Essential mix.

burial.

just because for some reason, the 2 girls that hated dance music that i know loved it

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Originally posted by elFreak burial. just because for some reason, the 2 girls that hated dance music that i know loved it

What

nyquil and beer =/= english

the second burial cd has never had any complaints from non dance fans here.

wat wot, it the bot.

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Originally posted by elFreak nyquil and beer =/= english the second burial cd has never had any complaints from non dance fans here. wat wot, it the bot.

Hmm, cool. I`ll have to look it up. Is this the dubstep dude, or am I thinking of something else, and if it is the dubstep dude are his CDs available for sale here. You know me I dont soulseek shit.

hmv and archambault have it. It is pretty epic,and i am not a big dubstep fan ( i like enough of it though, applebim @ mutek, do it ) but the album is just ridiculously well made and is very "lush". (lush is the comment i got from the non dance fans)

It is the kind of album your woman will enjoy getting lost in imo.

Ya im listening to some of the stuff on youtube, I can see myself just sitting back and listening to this no problem. I hope the same goes for her, but I imagine it will.

Great call, thanks.

Yeah, I've had a lot of success with Burial to people that don't even really express an interest in dance music. It seems that anyone that anyone who has a good ear for music, even if they are very new to EDM, will know what is quality when they hear it.

Well she is mostly an old rock kind of gal, and that suits me just fine because Im a huge Beatles fan as well as The Who, Buffalo Springfield, Rolling Stones etc fan.

She also really likes radiohead, so she enjoyed the Funkagenda remix I showed her of Street Spirit.

bring her over to my place, we will have xmas in july and my gf will teach her to play guitar while we diddle each other

burial is the win, as mentioned before, my gf hates edm, but loves burial, and listens to it almost daily in traffic. She is also a huge beatles fan.

oh yeah, and click the sigs

if she does not like it you should dump her

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ghlight=hipster

To whichever one of you GODS that suggested the Desyn set, THANK YOU!

It resulted in some WIN for me

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Originally posted by Domesticated People new to electronic music don't like techno or ambient, and certainly not psy-trance without vocals or cheesy guitars. They like relatively un-repetitious tracks with structures that are nevertheless simplistic (i.e intro, chorus, break, chorus, refrain, chorus, outro) and usually vocals. People who've spent their whole life listening to rock, hip-hop or pop are used to plenty of vocals, little repetition and obvious, in-your-face melodies that are catchy and extremely recognisable, which is why songs like Children and Sandstorm became so popular despite a lack of lyrics. If your friend is a rock fan, I'd start him off on Hot Chip, Boyz Noise or Justice as you already suggested. If he's into other stuff at the moment or is more willing to dive headlong into electronic music, commercial house music is very approachable. Axwell, Daft Punk, Mylo, Linus Loves, Calvin Harris and Ian Carey would all work well in this respect. From here he'll be able to discover other things and gain a slow appreciation of more repetitive and subtle music. edit: as the guy above said, big beat and stuff of that ilk is also good. Fatboy Slim, Chemical Brothers, Basement Jaxx, The Prodigy, Underworld etc.

It, really really depends on what they are into. I've gotten one metalcore kid into psy by playing bamboo forest-cliche'h fairly catchey, but not in a house way. As well as another metalcore kid with mfg-magnetic activity which he then proceeded to download all my mixes and quite liked them. Really I think its a lot about what they think is cool, if they're into metal/trippey stuff they will probably think trippey/dark feeling stuff is cool.

Another guy who likes tool really liked celtic cross (psy ambient) and psy generally after I played some stuff. When they're drunk/stoned is the perfect time.

A chick I know who's into trippey movies and black metal/metalcore also got straight into a dark ambient set and darkpsy although not really fully. I sent her that "hypnotic techno" set before as well as she found that pretty badass.

A lot of people into punk/hxc are also into reggae, so you can allways try a downbeat/dub crossover like some of vibraspheres stuff.

But yeh, just because they don't listen to electronic music doesn't mean they don't have an aversion to cheesy/aren't able to hear quality. There's fairly acessable yet deep stuff in a lot of genres. Especially metal from what I've seen anyway.

Then again with some people there's really no hope.

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Originally posted by Alex To whichever one of you GODS that suggested the Desyn set, THANK YOU! It resulted in some WIN for me

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Originally posted by Alex To whichever one of you GODS that suggested the Desyn set, THANK YOU! It resulted in some WIN for me

She showed you the strap of her bra

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