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Originally posted by gehzumteufel I flat out disagree with this. I understand your reasoning behind it, but there are alternatives to the total shit stuff that is distributed. Uncompressed PCM wav is too large, but FLAC, or ALAC even, are VERY good alternatives. Especially FLAC since it supports 24bit 96Khz audio for the HD audio and is royalty free since it is open source and licensed under the GPL. Nine Inch Nails does this. Their "The Slip" album I downloaded direct from their website in 96Khz/24bit FLAC. It is beautiful. So clear, clean, and bit perfect to what you would buy on cd. In fact, it is HIGHER quality than what you would buy on cd.

Buy tracks on vinyl?

(only saying that for sport - not looking to get into the whole digital vs. vinyl shitshow lol)

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY dude that was a few months ago. Quit being a slacker and get the card As for FLAC, agree 100% I love the format and ease of converting, and best of all it's open source!

I know, but I never stumbled on a decently priced iPod mini. I randomly asked my buddy a month or so ago, and he said he had one. He just had to copy some songs from it to his mums new one. It took him forever. lol

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Originally posted by pmoisse Buy tracks on vinyl? (only saying that for sport - not looking to get into the whole digital vs. vinyl shitshow lol)

I love vinyl, but this is where HD Audio pretty much mimics the way vinyl sounds imho.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel I love vinyl, but this is where HD Audio pretty much mimics the way vinyl sounds imho.

If HD audio mimicks vinyl, why not buy vinyl?

I know you don't have the answers, and there's fewer artists investing in pressing vinyl...it's just sad nonetheless.

Anyways, the internets allowed me to see Faster & Furiouser 4 without being robbed of my money. It wasn't awful, but it wasn't good lol.

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Originally posted by pmoisse Buy tracks on vinyl? (only saying that for sport - not looking to get into the whole digital vs. vinyl shitshow lol)

I love vinyl and always will. I have probably around 400 in my collection, with lots of rare pressings that I was lucky enough to track down. Problem is the quality isn't always there. I have pressings that sound phenomenal, and then I have several that sound god awful and can't even be played out! I payed quite a bit for these, and when u get fucked a bunch of times due to shit pressings, it wears on ya. With digital, and nothing less than 320 mp3 which I hardly ever use (wav/FLAC mainly) you know u always get quality and it's soooo much cheaper.

Add to the fact they don't wear out, easier to lug around, and no cart replacements. ugh oh I may be going down that road after all, lol.

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Originally posted by pmoisse If HD audio mimicks vinyl, why not buy vinyl? I know you don't have the answers, and there's fewer artists investing in pressing vinyl...it's just sad nonetheless.

1. Some people don't really want the physical stuff, they just want the audio. You can thank (and I don't mean this sarcastically) the instant gratification that piracy brings you for this.

2. No. Vinyls are making a comeback. I can't remember if they have already, but there could be a day where Vinyls outsell CDs again.

I don't want to give you one link, I want you to see the entire picture of this phenomenon:
http://www.google.com/search?q=vinyls+making+comeback

There are plenty of reasons for preferring Vinyls over CDs. Some artists/labels put free coupons for HQ digital downloads of the music inside of the Vinyl sleeves now, so it's a win/win in terms of getting physical format and high(er) quality audio than CDs.

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Originally posted by pmoisse Buy tracks on vinyl?

+1 vinyl forever

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Originally posted by Akridrot 2. No. Vinyls are making a comeback. I can't remember if they have already, but there could be a day where Vinyls outsell CDs again. There are plenty of reasons for preferring Vinyls over CDs. Some artists/labels put free coupons for HQ digital downloads of the music inside of the Vinyl sleeves now, so it's a win/win in terms of getting physical format and high(er) quality audio than CDs.

I think it's safe to say that this will never happen. Still too many bad pressings, big clunky equipment, takes up too much space in an age where small size with huge storage amounts are dirt cheap. Can't compete with Serato and the ease of cataloging tracks with just a few clicks of a mouse.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY I think it's safe to say that this will never happen. Still too many bad pressings, big clunky equipment, takes up too much space in an age where small size with huge storage amounts are dirt cheap.

Are you serious?

If CDs rapidly decline in popularity,
Vinyl manufacturers are ramping up production,
and the market shrinks, then essentially... vinyls will outsell CDs.

We won't see platinum vinyls, but if most artists these days are not even going double construction paper with their CDs and a bunch of collectors are trying to bring back vinyl, then vinyl sales will surpass CDs.

See my point? If 50,000 vinyls are bought compared to 30,000 CDs... then vinyls have outsold CDs.

Oh God, not the whole medium debate again. How many times has this been done now? Every debate seems to be exactly the same, with everybody staying with their own opinion the whole way through. Might as well just save yourselves some time and... stop.

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Originally posted by Akridrot Are you serious? If CDs rapidly decline in popularity, Vinyl manufacturers are ramping up production, and the market shrinks, then essentially... vinyls will outsell CDs. We won't see platinum vinyls, but if most artists these days are not even going double construction paper with their CDs and a bunch of collectors are trying to bring back vinyl, then vinyl sales will surpass CDs. See my point? If 50,000 vinyls are bought compared to 30,000 CDs... then vinyls have outsold CDs.

Where you getting CD's at? I'm talking solid state devices mate. The masses are not going to buy vinyl. Only the DJ's/hardcore purists are. Record stores are all but vanishing. No way in hell vinyl production is being ramped up, lol.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY Where you getting CD's at? I'm talking solid state devices mate. The masses are not going to buy vinyl. Only the DJ's/hardcore purists are. Record stores are all but vanishing. No way in hell vinyl production is being ramped up, lol.

Well... instead of going back and forth about what format is going to be popular, what do you think is going to happen to the market for physical formats as time goes on?

Sales just aren't what they used to be. If you want to talk minimalism and saving space, then the ideal isn't buying an actual record but buying the digital copy. These days, it's likely that people won't even buy that.

I don't see this as a bad thing. Music isn't a product in my mind, so I don't really care.

The good artists will receive financial support, that I'm sure of. So music will become more competitive... survival of the best. Or we'll begin to see musicians who fund records with their own money and do it for the love of music... a completely alien, but possible concept.

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Originally posted by Akridrot Well... instead of going back and forth about what format is going to be popular, what do you think is going to happen to the market for physical formats as time goes on? Sales just aren't what they used to be. If you want to talk minimalism and saving space, then the ideal isn't buying an actual record but buying the digital copy. These days, it's likely that people won't even buy that. I don't see this as a bad thing. Music isn't a product in my mind, so I don't really care. The good artists will receive financial support, that I'm sure of. So music will become more competitive... survival of the best. Or we'll begin to see musicians who fund records with their own money and do it for the love of music... a completely alien, but possible concept.

Exactly...media is headed in the digital only realm, and especially since no one is buying cd's/vinyl (or much of anything with the world economy in the toilet). I personally love vinyl, but these days I prefer all my media in digital format because the quality is always there, nothing can get scratched/destroyed, and the devices that play the media are super fast. Only issue is now we have to worry about our HDD's dying and losing the media, but the future is solid state drives, like a USB flash drive. No more mechanical failures, and speeds are drastically increased as well. Another important issue I really like is it is so easy to have a huge collection of movies, music, pictures, etc and it can be so easily organized in nay way you want and is found is seconds. Vinyl drives me crazy in that respect, hehe.

We should all illegally download stuff from the artists/labels that we hate and send them broke.

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Originally posted by Teezdalien We should all illegally download stuff from the artists/labels that we hate and send them broke.

That would probably have the complete opposite effect, but don't tell the labels that!

I wish I could buy directly from the artists themselves. Maybe we'll get there eventually. With that said, there's no way the artists can both focus on creating great music, and the headache of marketing yourself to the masses....or can they with the ease of the internet??

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY I wish I could buy directly from the artists themselves. Maybe we'll get there eventually. With that said, there's no way the artists can both focus on creating great music, and the headache of marketing yourself to the masses....or can they with the ease of the internet??

+1 on buying directly from them without the whack MAFIAA distribution bullshit.

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Originally posted by Teezdalien We should all illegally download stuff from the artists/labels that we hate and send them broke.

Yeah, thats the whole point.

So this is great:

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Downloading music and CD purchases Number of paid and free downloads of music and on CD purchasing is now available in a new population survey on cultural consumption in times of crisis at the Norwegian School of Management. 6 of 10 (58% percent) of people have purchased a CD or more during the period May-November 2008, and they buy on average 5.1 CDs. 50 percent of 15-20 year old buy their music via paid download, and like many have bought at least one CD in the last six months. - It is interesting that those under 20 years buying as much music as the physical digital format, and perhaps a surprise to many that teenagers actually still buy CDs, "says h�yskolelektor Audun Molde at the Norwegian School of Management. How does the CD-purchase to paid and free downloading of music? Buyer large consumers of downloading fewer or more CD's than those who do not use the download? Is paid or free download, most used? These questions have Professor Anne-Britt Gran, together with his research team at the Department of Communication - Culture and language, BI found the answer to.

Source

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel So this is great: Source

Well, that's Norway.

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Wikipedia Norwegians enjoy the second highest GDP per-capita (after Luxembourg) and third highest GDP (PPP) per-capita in the world.

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY Exactly...media is headed in the digital only realm, and especially since no one is buying cd's/vinyl (or much of anything with the world economy in the toilet).

I don't think vinyl is going to completely disappear. There will always be those collectors and purists who simply feel some connection to the physical format. It's not like old farts are only buying it. Young people, too.

Wholly digital world scares me.

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Originally posted by netroM Well, that's Norway.

I am aware.

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