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Originally posted by EddieZilker 1. Bird flu patients die from acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) caused by the cytokine storm, and not directly from the virus. Historic survival in ARDS is 60%-85%; with bird flu-associated ARDS it is 43%. www.cytokinestorm.com And I should have qualified that it is a theory, but one which is currently being evaluated with positive (meaning true) results, so far. But the bottom line is that you chose not to Google cytokine storm, as I recommended, and instead chose to make a very long and very unnecessary post. If you had Googled cytokine storm, you would have found the answer to your question instead of asking me to back up my assertion, which I had already supported by referring you to Google.

LMAO!!

Referring people to google is now considered support of a claim?!

I am totally using that now!



P.S. I did google it and found nothing directly related to the H1N1 flu and/or the ages of those who have been affected by it and if they have died as a result.

This person is saying they don't know because the data has not been released:

http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2...s_in_health.php

If you read this, she also says there are a lot of other things that may make the "Cytokine Storm" seem present when it isn't.

P.P.S. I may just use your quote in my sig for hilarity purposes.

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Originally posted by Theresa WHAT?! THEY OVER-EXAGGERATED THE NUMBERS?!?! My favourite line, and actually discounts one of my previous points: HOLY FUCK 16 DEATHS1?!? WE'RE DOOMED!!

I just got back from Mexico City & saw a totally different story. Everyone was sick & no one is getting better. Antibiotics are being issued & they are not working. Hospitals were jam packed & very very understaffed. The medical staff that were treating dying patients were passing out & then dying as well from Influenza. Sick children roaming the streets cause their parents dead bodys are stinking up their homes. No electricity, food or water. I give it a week before people start feeding on dead bodies. It was something I will never forget.

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Originally posted by jonSun I just got back from Mexico City & saw a totally different story. Everyone was sick & no one is getting better. Antibiotics are being issued & they are not working. Hospitals were jam packed & very very understaffed. The medical staff that were treating dying patients were passing out & then dying as well from Influenza. Sick children roaming the streets cause their parents dead bodys are stinking up their homes. No electricity, food or water. I give it a week before people start feeding on dead bodies. It was something I will never forget.

You almost had me until "I give it a week before people start feeding on dead bodies."

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Originally posted by Theresa pedantry

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Originally posted by EddieZilker And I should have qualified that it is a theory, but one which is currently being evaluated with positive (meaning true) results, so far.

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However, deaths from the current H1N1 outbreak in Mexico suggest that the virus attacks younger adults, possibly because of exaggerated immune response. It was this "cytokine storm" that was thought to explain the same pattern of deaths during the 1918 flu pandemic that killed tens of millions of people.

~http://www.medpagetoday.com/Infecti.../SwineFlu/14004

It's the COR! You seem to be taking this discussion a little too seriously, but if it makes you feel better about yourself and your ability to prove your intellect over a complete non-issue, go ahead.

Do you also work in a day-care center where you frequently win Trivial Puruit Genius Edition games with kindergartners? It seems like you're going to a substantial effort in order to prove people wrong. My original remark was casual, as was its reference to Google, and made without any expectation that I'd have to back up anything.

In return you've assumed a pedantic arrogance which I suspect is just you looking to legitimize your release of hostility. I really don't understand why else you would be making such an issue out of this.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker ~http://www.medpagetoday.com/Infecti.../SwineFlu/14004 It's the COR! You seem to be taking this discussion a little too seriously, but if it makes you feel better about yourself and your ability to prove your intellect over a complete non-issue, go ahead. Do you also work in a day-care center where you frequently win Trivial Puruit Genius Edition games with kindergartners? It seems like you're going to a substantial effort in order to prove people wrong. My original remark was casual, as was its reference to Google, and made without any expectation that I'd have to back up anything. In return you've assumed a pedantic arrogance which I suspect is just you looking to legitimize your release of hostility. I really don't understand why else you would be making such an issue out of this.

Dude, when it comes to debates in the c0r, the term "Chill Out" gets thrown out the window. Welcome.

The article you linked doesn't really prove your theory. There is nothing to verify the ages and health of those that have apparently died from H1N1.

Oh and I want it on the record that I pwn at Trivial Pursuit at the local day-care. Seriously... I am currently in 2nd, but to be fair, first is Billy the 4 year old Bully who has intimidated me into letting him win... seriously.

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Originally posted by Theresa Dude, when it comes to debates in the c0r, the term "Chill Out" gets thrown out the window. Welcome.

What about P.L.U.R.? Did you also miss the pegacorn in my avatar? I'm a gentle, peace loving person who'd never hurt anyone. Love is infinitely more powerful than anger.

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Originally posted by Theresa The article you linked doesn't really prove your theory. There is nothing to verify the ages and health of those that have apparently died from H1N1.

Hence, for the third time,

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Originally posted by EddieZilker And I should have qualified that it is a theory, but one which is currently being evaluated with positive (meaning true) results, so far.

A theory which qualified professionals in their field are advancing and therefore not one which should be dismissed as invalid. Continuing to point out that it is a theory is redundant.

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Originally posted by Theresa Oh and I want it on the record that I pwn at Trivial Pursuit at the local day-care. Seriously... I am currently in 2nd, but to be fair, first is Billy the 4 year old Bully who has intimidated me into letting him win... seriously.

He ate all your pieces, didn't he?

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Originally posted by Theresa WHAT?! THEY OVER-EXAGGERATED THE NUMBERS?!?! My favourite line, and actually discounts one of my previous points: HOLY FUCK 16 DEATHS1?!? WE'RE DOOMED!!

good shit

Does it make steel melt?

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Originally posted by Theresa You almost had me until "I give it a week before people start feeding on dead bodies."

Took that long eh? Sad really.

Mexico city has a population of about 8,836,045 people. Let's just say 200 people have been confirmed dead from the flu, which is much more then are actually confirmed, are we really supposed to be that worried about it? Last time I checked, 1000 people a day are being sent to the hospital in the USA due to dog bites. There are also roughly 40,000 deaths a year on our government owned roads. Interesting that we don't see people running around like chickens with their heads cut off with these types of statistics but all of a sudden we are worried about people who are dying from a flu virus. Might I add, the flu has been killing people for quite some time. Why all of a sudden is this specific type of flu a big deal?

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Mexico city has a population of about 8,836,045 people. Let's just say 200 people have been confirmed dead from the flu, which is much more then are actually confirmed, are we really supposed to be that worried about it? Last time I checked, 1000 people a day are being sent to the hospital in the USA due to dog bites. There are also roughly 40,000 deaths a year on our government owned roads. Interesting that we don't see people running around like chickens with their heads cut off with these types of statistics but all of a sudden we are worried about people who are dying from a flu virus. Might I add, the flu has been killing people for quite some time. Why all of a sudden is this specific type of flu a big deal?

You are just as retarded as Theresa. Read the rest of the thread. Normal flu strains don't kill healthy, middle-aged people; this one does.

Obviously, this flu has been killing the wrong people...

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Originally posted by Domesticated You are just as retarded as Theresa. Read the rest of the thread. Normal flu strains don't kill healthy, middle-aged people; this one does.

Yet again... source?

People continue to claim that this is affecting healthy middle-aged people however, I have still not been directed to a source.

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Originally posted by Theresa Yet again... source? People continue to claim that this is affecting healthy middle-aged people however, I have still not been directed to a source.

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Pablo Kuri, a Mexican epidemiologist, said three of the dead were children: a 9-year-old girl, a 12-year-old girl and a 13-year-old boy. Four were older than 60. The other nine were between 21 and 39 � unusual ages for people to die from flu because they tend to have stronger immune systems.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090503...a/med_swine_flu

I've never seen my screen name used these many times in one post. I think I love you.

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Originally posted by Theresa Ok, maybe people are "wanting to stop the disease", but are you honestly telling me that you don't think news sources all over the world aren't capitalizing on the fear-mongering potential of this story? Many of the news articles are over dramatizing the situation, or misrepresenting the facts/numbers. It's all to get more reads and more hits because it's all about making money. The "hype" is coming from the media, plain and simple. If it weren't for the insane coverage over this ridiculous thing, Egypt would not be killing pigs, and Argentina would not be banning flights to Mexico. People would have gone on with their daily lives being none the wiser.

Seriously now, I don't care for the news sources and what they do because the behavior you're mentioning is always expected, no matter the current event/s. Media will always do what they need to do.

TBH, I care more about the worsening rep of Mexico (as if it was significantly better before) and its citizens. Soccer teams are being discriminated against and isolated in international competitions. But even this I expected and knew was coming.

The "hype" is coming from the media outside Mexico. The country just took precautions to stop the spread of the disease. I'll even say they reacted late to the situation.

You should google-news Jos� �ngel C�rdova (Mexican Health Minister) to get some information on the cases. I know, again from news in Spanish, the disease has affected more young people, specially female. But I don't have a source to give you the complete health background check of each case. I doubt you can get that.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the worry here - as with most viral outbreaks - is not necessarily the current form, but what it could become should it mutate slightly. It's already proven to be a nasty version of the flu - if it suddenly changes, and we aren't prepared, then all of the hype and the worrying will be completely justified.

Number of deaths is not relevant. waiting for hundreds of thousands of deaths to raise an alarm would be irresponsible.

The deal is its a flu pandemic (not the seasonal flu that comes around every year).. pandemics are relatively rare.. flu pandemics can be VERY serious.

Those factors alone are enough to justify the precautions being taken.

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Originally posted by Domesticated You are just as retarded as Theresa. Read the rest of the thread. Normal flu strains don't kill healthy, middle-aged people; this one does.

Yes, a normal flu can absolutely kill someone and it does to more then 30,000 people a year, maybe more.

I love thread about scientific things, when the majority of people arguing on both sides have no background in the particular field of science, and yet claim to know whats really going on. Sources for everything, people. You don't cite a source, you're wrong.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On It's already proven to be a nasty version of the flu - if it suddenly changes, and we aren't prepared, then all of the hype and the worrying will be completely justified.

That's just it--it hasn't been "proven" to be a particularly virulent strain. Indeed, there's scant evidence to suggest as much. Most cases that we've detected have required little or no treatment, and it's very likely that there are a large number of additional cases that have gone unnoticed precisely for that reason.

Now, of course it's too early to say for certain that the strain isn't particularly dangerous, and it's certainly possible that the virus could change and become more dangerous, so there's definitely some merit in making reasonable preparations to guard against the possibility that this will turn out to be more dangerous than it presently appears.

That said, some of the nonsense that I've heard about--shutting down schools for weeks because one student reported flu-like symptoms, for instance--falls well outside the range of reasonable preparations. And don't even get me started about the "people" afraid to eat pork...

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Originally posted by mezzir I love thread about scientific things, when the majority of people arguing on both sides have no background in the particular field of science, and yet claim to know whats really going on. Sources for everything, people. You don't cite a source, you're wrong.

I shit science in bricks.

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Originally posted by mezzir I love thread about scientific things, when the majority of people arguing on both sides have no background in the particular field of science, and yet claim to know whats really going on. Sources for everything, people. You don't cite a source, you're wrong.

and they can't be internet sources either

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Originally posted by mezzir I love thread about scientific things, when the majority of people arguing on both sides have no background in the particular field of science, and yet claim to know whats really going on. Sources for everything, people. You don't cite a source, you're wrong.

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/f/flu/deaths.htm

hmph, they found swine flu at the high school 2 blocks away from me.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...-Swine-Flu.html
My sister was hospitalized over the weekend, (she's feeling better now), and they tested her for swine flu. Thank God she's Catholic

A new mutated strain of the swine flu has broken out in London:

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There has been a small outbreak of �zombism� in London due to mutation of the H1N1 virus into new strain: H1Z1. Similar to a scare originally found in Cambodia back in 2005, victims of a new strain of the swine flu virus H1N1 have been reported in London.

Source - BBC News

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