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Originally posted by DJ RANN I would suggest that the drag you mention is so minimal (unless you're using sandpaper for slipmats) that it would affect the spped less than the 0.02 differential of resolution. Try it: set a program to record 30 second at the outer edge, then 30 seconds from the inner edge. Check the BPM. It will be a difference in the 1/1000's. Think about it: maybe 3g of downwards pressure via a calibrated and suspended stylus vs 2kg (2000g) of lateral torque. Not gonna happen even with lax slipmats

Actually I think better slipmats would make it more likely - it's a matter of drag at the needle overcoming the friction between the platter and the record, which will be more likely if the slipmats are slippier.

I can sort of imagine that yes, this drag could possibly make the record slow down an almost unnoticeable amount every few seconds... but I'm not entirely convinced it would overcome the friction even with a really good slipmat.


Either way, not really sure if that suddenly makes it an "artform", just because you might need to adjust the pitch slightly as outgoing record nears the end. Not too fussed either way, just wanted to point out the flaws in that particular common misconception.

1000s are so much easier to keep in time than 1200s

at that is at .05 since i prefer it over .02

in the real world a good pitch bend can go a long way imo

from a practical standpoint, a .05 + a good pitch bend is a better setup than a .02 on a CDJ-200 (for example)

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Originally posted by Stu Cox Actually I think better slipmats would make it more likely - it's a matter of drag at the needle overcoming the friction between the platter and the record, which will be more likely if the slipmats are slippier. I can sort of imagine that yes, this drag could possibly make the record slow down an almost unnoticeable amount every few seconds... but I'm not entirely convinced it would overcome the friction even with a really good slipmat. Either way, not really sure if that suddenly makes it an "artform", just because you might need to adjust the pitch slightly as outgoing record nears the end. Not too fussed either way, just wanted to point out the flaws in that particular common misconception.

Slidey slipmats is what I meant by "lax" slipmats, so we're talking about the same thing.

and I too don;t think it would make a shade of practical difference.

There's also a BIG psychological reason why some people think they can match better on 1000's as opposed to 1210's:

1000 shows you the BPM and the pitch adjustment, whereas with 1210's it's more tactile guesswork, especially in bad lighting, therefore it's harder to get the minute adjustment closer.

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Originally posted by Zild 1000s are so much easier to keep in time than 1200s at that is at .05 since i prefer it over .02

when it comes to easeness when comparing sl1210 and cdj1000 its your own skills that limits you on the 1210, not the actualy slider. as i said before pitching on 1210 are endless resolution so if your good enough (touch + ears + experience) a mix on 1210s can be much better and last untouchable for minutes. But if ur a noob ofcourse its easier on a cdj1000 but ull get outphasing in the kick if not carefull.

do you ever make posts that aren't stupid?

Wait, what's the difference with resolution and pitch?

I have CDJ 400s and use +10/-10 all the time even though I have +6/-6. Does that mean I'm using 0.05 resolution? And if I use +6/-6 I'm using 0.02? Cause +6/-6 is usually to just get the beats matched more precisely and never really bother as long as the mix is good enough on +10/-10...

What's CDJ 400's resolution?

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Originally posted by palm when it comes to easeness when comparing sl1210 and cdj1000 its your own skills that limits you on the 1210, not the actualy slider. as i said before pitching on 1210 are endless resolution so if your good enough (touch + ears + experience) a mix on 1210s can be much better and last untouchable for minutes. But if ur a noob ofcourse its easier on a cdj1000 but ull get outphasing in the kick if not carefull.

No. I've owned 1200s for 5 years now and been using 1000s in clubs since 2006 (don't like to take my own gear). Most of my experience is on 1200s. I still find 1000s to be much easier to keep in time.

Hey guys I own a pair of cdj500s.I think the pitch increments are 0.05% although the readout only measures at 0.1%. I feel that it just isn't good enough. Sometimes you'll sync up a song perfectly.. because the desired adjustment falls directly on one of the .05 increments but.... sometimes it doesn't and that's where those finer increments come into play.
I often find myself see-sawing in a mix with the following. example: +1.2 is too fast and +1.1 is too slow and I just cant seem to get the spot inbetween. Granted my cdjs are pretty old now so a little wear and tear might be contributing.
I also have a pair of Vestax pdx d3s mk2s. The pitch sliders are top class its just that its harder to sync with turntables so I could imagine someone blaming their pitch sliders for shoddy mixing when in reality its their beat matching that needs practice.

If you're on the hunt for new cd players i recommend .02% increments on the pitch sliders although I manage quite fine with .05%

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Originally posted by Zild easier

exaclty what im saying too. but it wont be perfect

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Originally posted by Wayne_B Hey guys I own a pair of cdj500s.I think the pitch increments are 0.05% although the readout only measures at 0.1%. I feel that it just isn't good enough. Sometimes you'll sync up a song perfectly.. because the desired adjustment falls directly on one of the .05 increments but.... sometimes it doesn't and that's where those finer increments come into play. I often find myself see-sawing in a mix with the following. example: +1.2 is too fast and +1.1 is too slow and I just cant seem to get the spot inbetween. Granted my cdjs are pretty old now so a little wear and tear might be contributing. I also have a pair of Vestax pdx d3s mk2s. The pitch sliders are top class its just that its harder to sync with turntables so I could imagine someone blaming their pitch sliders for shoddy mixing when in reality its their beat matching that needs practice. If you're on the hunt for new cd players i recommend .02% increments on the pitch sliders although I manage quite fine with .05%

No, I still have an old have a cdj500 (mk1, the big bugger) and the resolution is 0.1 not 0.05. Yes you can get it to go in between two points but I never found it to be accurate.

A cdj800 has 0.05 which I find is accurate for a locked mix on a mix a couple of minutes long.

The PDX's do have great pitch sliders but the technique is a different thing with turntables. listen to any old sasha mixes and try to find a point a mix that is out of sync.....and that was all turntables in those days.

Yes there's no doubt the likes of Sasha and PvD could/can mix well on turntables. I thinks its just a case of practice. And the constant use of the Technics sls would have helped alot. My Vestax turntables respond very differently to the technics and could you imagine playing on belt drives? lol Getting used to your equipment is vitally important but then again playing on different setups also increases your versatility.
As for the whole speeding up of a record towards the spindle goes.. As far I can see it doesn't and it shouldn't. If the record's recorded at 45 rpm and played back at 45rpm then what's the problem? lol

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