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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what's your problem homo? inflation is low, interest rates are low, unemployment is rising: you conservative fvckers should be masturbating yourselves stupid.

Why would I be happy about rising unemployment?

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Originally posted by Domesticated Why would I be happy about rising unemployment?

Conservatives LOVE unemployement. The biggest reason: keeps those bastard unions in check. Can't have those filthy buggers running amok and unemployment is the best way to curb their influence.

Dunno if its gotten to the point of self abuse yet, but sometimes I just cant help but smile in a very bad way at others misfortunes lately. Sooner or later life will beat the latent socialist tendencies out of our PKC when he realises the average under-achiever isn't worth a damn, let alone $900

Anyway, better go think about getting something for dinner and take care all

You'll be back. They all come back

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Conservatives LOVE unemployement. The biggest reason: keeps those bastard unions in check. Can't have those filthy buggers running amok and unemployment is the best way to curb their influence.

You're an idiot sometimes, seriously. Firstly, I'm not a conservative. I'm in favour of whatever is best for the country, regardless of which party is making it. It just happens that Kevin Rudd and the current party in power are a bunch of retards.

Two things:

1. This bullshit $900 scheme. Firstly, the money had to be borrowed, so all of us are going to end up paying it back later, WITH INTEREST. Rudd has needlessly put the country in debt. However, he's smart enough to know that the ignoramuses who vote for him don't know this. All they think is: "FREE MONEY!"

Secondly, the money has done nothing to stimulate the economy or actually "help" those in need (hardly anyone as of yet). There has been a huge spike in alcohol and gambling expenditure. If he really wanted to stimulate the economy he would have been better off investing in infrastructure. All that money invested in a public transport system would have created new jobs and ensured cheap, reliable transport for people struggling to deal with unemployment and lack of income.

2. The rollback of workplace laws by the current government is being completed to "protect the workers!" Under the new scheme, my parents will be forced to sack 20 out of their 60 staff because the new laws make employing that many people untenable.

When things like this happen, the government and the ignorant people who vote for them (i.e you) cry foul at all the greedy employers firing others for their own benefit, when in reality the employers would love to employ more people; it's only that the misguided actions of those in power prevent them from doing so.

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Originally posted by Domesticated 1. This bullshit $900 scheme. Firstly, the money had to be borrowed, so all of us are going to end up paying it back later, WITH INTEREST. Rudd has needlessly put the country in debt. However, he's smart enough to know that the ignoramuses who vote for him don't know this. All they think is: "FREE MONEY!"

are you sure about this? i was under the impression the money came from tax collected in the last financial year, which is why only tax payers are receiving it. are you against returning taxes to those it came from??

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Originally posted by Domesticated Secondly, the money has done nothing to stimulate the economy or actually "help" those in need (hardly anyone as of yet).

says who? i was in need and it helped me greatly

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Originally posted by Domesticated There has been a huge spike in alcohol and gambling expenditure.

so what? who are you to decide what people spend their own money on? im sure the alcohol industry is doing well then, which kind've counters your argument about it not helping stimulate the economy.

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Originally posted by Domesticated If he really wanted to stimulate the economy he would have been better off investing in infrastructure. All that money invested in a public transport system would have created new jobs and ensured cheap, reliable transport for people struggling to deal with unemployment and lack of income.

very true. and im sure you're aware of the $40Bn telecommunication infrastructure plan? i'd say that's a fair investment that'll create a few jobs here and there.

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Originally posted by Domesticated 2. The rollback of workplace laws by the current government is being completed to "protect the workers!" Under the new scheme, my parents will be forced to sack 20 out of their 60 staff because the new laws make employing that many people untenable. When things like this happen, the government and the ignorant people who vote for them (i.e you) cry foul at all the greedy employers firing others for their own benefit, when in reality the employers would love to employ more people; it's only that the misguided actions of those in power prevent them from doing so.

work choices was a disgrace and deserved to be changed. im unfamiliar with all the changes made however, and of course not everyone will benefit. that's politics for you. and this idea that employers live to employ is what made me call you a conservative earlier. seriously, i wish i had some of what you're smoking.

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Originally posted by Lilith Sooner or later life will beat the latent socialist tendencies out of our PKC when he realises the average under-achiever isn't worth a damn, let alone $900

i dont have latent socialist tendencies. ffs, you sound like a yank

overall stimulus spendin

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As part of the stimulus package, the Australian Government is funding: * A new 21st century school library, multipurpose hall, or classroom modernisation for each primary school in Australia; * New science labs or language centres for 500 secondary schools; Grants of up to $200,000 for individual school communities to fund much-needed maintenance; * Ceiling insulation for around 2.7 million Australian homes; * Increased rebates for solar and heat pump hot water systems; * 20,000 new social housing dwellings; * 802 new houses for the Australian Defence Force; * Urgent maintenance to upgrade around 2,500 vacant social houses; * An additional 30 per cent tax deduction for small and general businesses buying eligible assets; * 350 additional projects in the Black Spot Program; * Installation of around 200 new boom gates at high risk rail crossings; * $650 million funding boost for local community infrastructure and maintenance on Australia�s national highways; * One off cash payments to eligible families, single workers, students, drought affected farmers and others; and $900 payment to eligible taxpayers.

ok, it might not be perfect but shit, it could be a lot worse.

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* An additional 30 per cent tax deduction for small and general businesses buying eligible assets

I'm pretty stoked about this one. That's going to save me quite a bit of $$$

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Originally posted by Sushipunk I'm pretty stoked about this one. That's going to save me quite a bit of $$$

no, its debt sushi! evil evil debt that they will charge INTEREST on and the world will crumble to its knees booga booga booga!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN no, its debt sushi! evil evil debt that they will charge INTEREST on and the world will crumble to its knees booga booga booga!

Oh god no, please tell me it ain't so PKC.

Lol, even with the interest, it's going to save me a shitload. Kevin is a total queerboat (I'll not forgive him for internet censorship, what a fucking joke), but this particular tax break I like.

oh yeah, he lost my vote due to the censorship

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN are you sure about this? i was under the impression the money came from tax collected in the last financial year, which is why only tax payers are receiving it. are you against returning taxes to those it came from??

Yes.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN says who? i was in need and it helped me greatly

You're hardly "in need", dickhead. As I recall you were in the process of buying a second property. When the shit really hits the fan, that's when people will actually need the money. To buy food and clothing, not new computers, GPS units and slabs of beer. The worst is yet to come I think.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN so what? who are you to decide what people spend their own money on? im sure the alcohol industry is doing well then, which kind've counters your argument about it not helping stimulate the economy.

Who I am to tell people what they should spend their money on? I'm a sensible person who will be able to own a house by the time they're forty because they have saved hard, worked hard and spent wisely. People are fucking idiots and shouldn't be handed cash in lump sums because they will never use it wisely. Why do you think superannuation payouts are about to be regulated so that the payee can only withdraw a monthly stipend? It's because morons go and buy holiday houses or boats, forgetting that they have to support themselves for another fifty years. You can never trust money in the hands of the general population, even their own. I'm sick of paying the price for other people's mistakes. I'm all for supporting those in need, but when they're "in need" because they racked up a credit card bill buying a plasma television and designer sunglasses they couldn't afford, then they can fuck right off.

Back to your original point: I'm sure the alcohol industry is doing fine, but again it's not a "proper" way to stimulate the economy. I'm aware of the funding that's gone to schools and other places, but that doesn't in any way negate the fact that a shit-load of money has been wasted on these $900 pay outs. Money that could have been used constructively.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN work choices was a disgrace and deserved to be changed. im unfamiliar with all the changes made however, and of course not everyone will benefit. that's politics for you. and this idea that employers live to employ is what made me call you a conservative earlier. seriously, i wish i had some of what you're smoking.

You don't know fuck all about work choices. Work choices was as beneficial to workers as it was to employees. Under that scheme, my parents were forced to raise wages at three of their businesses, totalling 100+ employees who got a rise.

As for my idea that "employers live to employ", I'm under no illusion that all employers are nice people out to help others. Many are complete cunts, and yes, workers need to be protected from people like that. However, the fact of the matter is, companies want and need workers to function. Above all, they want good workers. Bullshit legislation, over-regulation and red-tape force up the costs of employing people, cutting jobs, and often give employees an opportunity to be lazy, deceitful or otherwise take advantage of the employer where they would otherwise not. Again, this is a two way street and it's very hard to strike the correct balance between rights of employer vs employee, but work choice was one of the best pieces of legislation ever in this respect. I think you should read Ayn Rand's masterpiece, Atlas Shrugged in order to understand why unions and overly controlling governments would ruin the world if not kept in check.

Irrespective of all this, we can always agree on one thing: Sushipunk is a cock badger.

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Originally posted by Domesticated Irrespective of all this, we can always agree on one thing: Sushipunk is a cock badger.

Finally something we can all agree on!

Though, wtf is a badger? I don't think we have those here mate. Are you becoming Americanised?

The stimulus payment is just a little bump though. A good portion of it will be immediately recovered, by the govt, through taxes. ie. People go out and buy shit and the businesses cough up the GST, plus a percentage on the earnings they made.

Though, I'm sure a LOT of people just went and spent it on weed

Nevermind

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Originally posted by Domesticated and often give employees an opportunity to be lazy, deceitful or otherwise take advantage of the employer where they would otherwise not.

Do you fuck around on TA at work? How often? I mean, you're telling people that don't post here about all the funnies going on, right?

ill get to your post tomorrow, but i just wanted to

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Originally posted by Domesticated Ayn Rand

do that.

I'd appreciate Stu more if he told me when the chasers new series is due on so I can check eztv frantically.

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Originally posted by Ian I'd appreciate Stu more if he told me when the chasers new series is due on so I can check eztv frantically.

I don't watch TV

I demand you start....right.......now

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Originally posted by Ian I demand you start....right.......now

Oops, missed it.

I'll try again next year for you mate

Not even for the ashes?

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Originally posted by Ian Not even for the ashes?

It's been a looooong time since I've sat down and watched the cricket. I don't have that kind of time any more

radio whilst you work sleep ?

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Originally posted by Ian radio whilst you work sleep ?

Hey, I do plenty of work, arsehole

Why the hell would I want to listen to radio gibberish though? Terrible idea

No. i meant that cricket here begins 11am which is 'late' to you guys

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Originally posted by Ian No. i meant that cricket here begins 11am which is 'late' to you guys

I don't have a radio in my house

That's what the internet is for

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