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does anyone know how many bpm's he was playing @?

130-136?

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Originally posted by itsmekika does anyone know how many bpm's he was playing @?

yup. He started at 126 (where I left off) and ended at 134.

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Originally posted by zizack yup. He started at 126 (where I left off) and ended at 134.

thanks

Why aren't our local boys headlining? I guarantee you, you give anyone from Zack to Frank to Tom Colontonio to Big Mike the headlining set anywhere, you'll have any NYC venue going crazy. Our guys consistently deliver, and yet these clubs insist on paying $5000-40,000 on these guys that get mixed reviews EVERYTIME. It's really a damn shame, pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

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Originally posted by DJ Eco Why aren't our local boys headlining? I guarantee you, you give anyone from Zack to Frank to Tom Colontonio to Big Mike the headlining set anywhere, you'll have any NYC venue going crazy. Our guys consistently deliver, and yet these clubs insist on paying $5000-40,000 on these guys that get mixed reviews EVERYTIME. It's really a damn shame, pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

Well it's the big names that pull the crowds.

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Originally posted by snatonsb Well it's the big names that pull the crowds.

exactly what i was just going to write...doesn't matter how good they are the masses like hearing names they recognize

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Originally posted by DJ Eco Why aren't our local boys headlining? I guarantee you, you give anyone from Zack to Frank to Tom Colontonio to Big Mike the headlining set anywhere, you'll have any NYC venue going crazy. Our guys consistently deliver, and yet these clubs insist on paying $5000-40,000 on these guys that get mixed reviews EVERYTIME. It's really a damn shame, pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

I agree, something needs to happen with the trance scene, we need some new energy. I wandered into pacha last weekend around 5 and boris had the place packed and was destroying the place.I left around 6:15 and it was still going strong. What ever happened to the 8 am trance parties. I can't imagine what kind of set a dj could put together in 2 hours, anyone can drop bomb after bomb for 2 hours straight. Big name trance parties are turnig more and more into concerts unfortunately.

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Originally posted by snatonsb Well it's the big names that pull the crowds.

Well, yes and no... Pacha always has a crowd... My point is that you can go to plenty of parties where 90% of the crowd are friends and supporters of the local openers and closers, and maybe 10% are the diehard fans of [insert obscure European DJ here]. The fellow DJs on this board will probably agree with me here...

I think even just 5-10 years ago, nightclubs were doing a better job at breeding the locals. Some of Pacha's most attended events now are the Jonathan Peters's, Boris's, Roger Sanchez's, etc., all New York and local guys. They rose to fame in a time when the venues believed in the local talent and went out of their way to market them. I think some years ago, the local venues just decided to not even bother anymore, and it's a shame...

Just for an example, ask yourself if Sullivan Room is pretty packed week-in and week-out because the crowds like Sleepy & Boo and the vibe they bring, or do you think they're all really going out of their way to see the D:Fuse or John Tejada guys they're bringing, etc.? Or likewise, is Love packed every week because everyone wants to see the Giuseppe Ottaviani's and Stoneface & Terminals, or is it the locals in the cave and opening/closing DJs carrying the weight and doing their job well as promoters (plus the promoters themselves)?

From an insider's point of view, I see firsthand that the locals bring in a shitload of people to these clubs. So if their draw and hardwork put into a party is good, and their music is good, it beats me why the venues aren't supporting them with more local nights, whether trance, house, techno, etc...

Just my two cents, I may be wrong haha...

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Originally posted by DJ Eco Well, yes and no... Pacha always has a crowd... My point is that you can go to plenty of parties where 90% of the crowd are friends and supporters of the local openers and closers, and maybe 10% are the diehard fans of [insert obscure European DJ here]... I think even just 5-10 years ago, nightclubs were doing a better job at breeding the locals. Some of Pacha's most attended events now are the Jonathan Peters's, Boris's, Roger Sanchez's, etc., all New York and local guys. They rose to fame in a time when the venues believed in the local talent and went out of their way to market them. I think some years ago, the local venues just decided to not even bother anymore, and it's a shame... Just for an example, ask yourself if Sullivan Room is pretty packed week-in and week-out because the crowds like Sleepy & Boo and the vibe they bring, or do you think they're all really going out of their way to see the D:Fuse or John Tejada guys they're bringing, etc.? Or likewise, is Love packed every week because everyone wants to see the Giuseppe Ottaviani's and Stoneface & Terminals, or is it the locals in the cave and opening/closing DJs carrying the weight and doing their job well as promoters (plus the promoters themselves)? From an insider's point of view, I see firsthand that the locals bring in a shitload of people to these clubs. So if their draw and hardwork put into a party is good, and their music is good, it beats me why the venues aren't supporting them with more local nights, whether trance, house, techno, etc... Just my two cents, I may be wrong haha...

Totally agree, years ago clubs like Exit, SF, Limelight actually experimented with the local talent & also different style of electronic music.

And I apologize sometimes for being too opinionated haha... But I'm looking at Zack's opening tracklist and I can't help but see that as WAY more interesting than half the guys our clubs are flying in from half the world away to play to us for steep ticket prices...

^^+1 his opening was SICK. i heard everyone around me going, who is this, this opener is amazing. congrats zack, you really did kill it

I don't know but to me Sander was just boring his first couple tracks were great then it just was a bit boring until like 15-20 mins to the end. Yeah he played his hit tracks towards the end but nothing that set me off the deep end and to come on after the opening dj and start off at 126 and end at 134 to me is a bit weak for sander. Also it seemed empty for Pacha as well that night for a DJ who's top 20 dj in the world and it wasn't as packed as it was last time. I miss the old Sander from 2006 and his first appearance in NY when he played with Second Sun and Markus Schulz and just destroyed that dance floor

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Originally posted by DJ Eco Just my two cents, I may be wrong haha...

im gonna get flamed for this, but I really think it depends on how MUCH you go out. back in toronto (ie: younger days), I went to any party, local or big name, because I liked BOTH. Even when I first moved to NYC, I loved ANY party, locals included.


I *still* like both, and I looove our locals (no doubt our locals are some of the best hidden gems in the world!). but I also like to do OTHER things now on my weekends, and have a career that tires me out more than I used to be.

so my event selection goes as this:

Big name I want to see + awesome local: I'm going

Big name I **dont** really wanna see + awesome local: I will see the local next time he plays because he/she is always around, so I will wait for the big name.


thats just how *I* run my weekend schedule, it really has nothing to do with how much I like the locals, because they are awesome. I just have this sense of "I have plenty of weekends to see them play, so this weekend I will go to dinner/lounge/bar/sports event/etc...." The big names are what cements the event in my calender.




*BUT you do have a point marcello, the locals have been destorying places lately and zack was NO JOKE this weekend!!! the best I have heard from him EVER, and this includes both opening and closing sets.

Nah you make complete sense, no flaming required haha...

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby Big name I **dont** really wanna see + awesome local: I will see the local next time he plays because he/she is always around, so I will wait for the big name.

that and venue. if this party were at say webster hall i probably would have gone just to hear zack and hang out.

also, ditto to marcello on the locals. with that said are we having those parties on sundays in the village? those summer parties are the best!

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Originally posted by DJ Eco Nah you make complete sense, no flaming required haha...

Yay for local love

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Originally posted by chimera66 that and venue. if this party were at say webster hall i probably would have gone just to hear zack and hang out. also, ditto to marcello on the locals. with that said are we having those parties on sundays in the village? those summer parties are the best!

Interesting that you mention that... Flawless is doing Tuesday rooftop parties on 46th st across the street from Pacha at Hudson Terrace, I think it's called... It launches tonight haha.. I think I might check it out, it looks great...

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Originally posted by DJ Eco Interesting that you mention that... Flawless is doing Tuesday rooftop parties on 46th st across the street from Pacha at Hudson Terrace, I think it's called... It launches tonight haha.. I think I might check it out, it looks great...

that would be nice but damn it all to weekday parties.

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Originally posted by Frequency Frank Yay for local love

just as long as you play "that" track i think of as the core theme song

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Originally posted by chimera66 just as long as you play "that" track i think of as the core theme song

haha, it's hard NOT to play that song

Sander was very good. Zack was killer, opening and closing. Stole the show imo.

Pretty sure Sander was the one that spun Riff, not Zack.

Zack thanks for everything man. Great set.
- jon eck

im almost positive he closed his set with riff and then zack roth took over towards the end of riff?

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Originally posted by DJ Eco Interesting that you mention that... Flawless is doing Tuesday rooftop parties on 46th st across the street from Pacha at Hudson Terrace, I think it's called... It launches tonight haha.. I think I might check it out, it looks great...

Do they play house music there on the weekends? I am thinking about checking it our next weekend, but dont want to go if they play shit music.

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Originally posted by Jersey Roller Sander was very good. Zack was killer, opening and closing. Stole the show imo.

heyyyyy

Nice meeting you Jon. This is Kerrine btw.

I really like trance a lot, but I definitely liked Zack's opening set better. He didn't bang it out at all really, but its always cool to see him build up energy from opening til the headliner goes on. I think he started out at 120 BPM and just kept it interesting all the way through.

Closing was a different story though LOL. I was like "whoa" with some of those trance tracks. Both him and Sander dropped some bombs towards the end!

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Originally posted by Keryn heyyyyy Nice meeting you Jon. This is Kerrine btw. I really like trance a lot, but I definitely liked Zack's opening set better. He didn't bang it out at all really, but its always cool to see him build up energy from opening til the headliner goes on. I think he started out at 120 BPM and just kept it interesting all the way through. Closing was a different story though LOL. I was like "whoa" with some of those trance tracks. Both him and Sander dropped some bombs towards the end!

Hey, very nice meeting you as well!

We got there a little bit late because of construction on rt 3 in Jersey, but from what I heard the opening set was real good. I wish I heard the whole thing, but it sounds like they covered some good ground between the two. Him and Sander tag teaming and his closing set was probably my favorite part of the night. Definitely a sick show, I need to find my way to some more of yours and Zack's gigs in the future.

Speaking of, I'm not going to be able to make it to Jason Jollins on the 29th, going to be in seaside heights for guidomania. I'm sure you'll destroy shit though. Have fun

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