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The movie (well, the first part anyway) has now been made:



Comes out in the U.S. on April 15, Tax Day of course.

Can't wait to see it.

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Originally posted by 15step The book is an interesting read (though not quite what The Fountainhead was), but honestly, how can people think this is a practical philosophy?

Little philosophical training can do wonders.

The National Review is basically the intellectual center of the conservative movement, and their takedown of Atlas Shrugged in 1957 is amazing:

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Out of a lifetime of reading, I can recall no other book in which a tone of overriding arrogance was so implacably sustained. Its shrillness is without reprieve. Its dogmatism is without appeal. In addition, the mind which finds this tone natural to it shares other characteristics of its type. 1) It consistently mistakes raw force for strength, and the rawer the force, the more reverent the posture of the mind before it. 2) It supposes itself to be the bringer of a final revelation. Therefore, resistance to the Message cannot be tolerated because disagreement can never be merely honest, prudent, or just humanly fallible. Dissent from revelation so final (because, the author would say, so reasonable) can only be willfully wicked. There are ways of dealing with such wickedness, and, in fact, right reason itself enjoins them. From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard, from painful necessity, commanding: �To a gas chamber � go!�

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/222482

Their contemporary update is pretty entertaining as well:

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It happens that an important looter � Rand�s term for the half-wits running and ruining the country � is on the train and has strong feelings about getting to San Francisco. His name is Kip Chalmers. �It�s not my problem to figure out how you get the train through the tunnel, that�s for you to figure out!� Kip Chalmers screams at a station agent. �But if you don�t get me an engine and don�t start that train, you can kiss good-bye to your jobs, your work permits and this whole goddamn railroad!� This is persuasive. �The station agent had never heard of Kip Chalmers and did not know the nature of his position. But he knew that this was the day when unknown men in undefined positions held unlimited power � the power of life or death.� And so the station officials, knowing that the loss of their jobs means the loss of their lives, call in a coal engine, procure a drunken engineer, and condemn every passenger on the train to death by asphyxiation. But that isn�t why I stopped reading. I stopped because Rand thinks they deserve it. quote: It is said that catastrophes are a matter of pure chance, and there were those who would have said that the passengers of the Comet [that�s the train] were not guilty [note that word] or responsible for the thing that happened to them. The man in Bedroom A, Car No. 1, was a professor of sociology who taught that individual ability is of no consequence. . . . . . . The woman in Bedroom D, Car No. 10, was a mother who had put her two children to sleep in the berth above her, carefully tucking them in, protecting them from drafts and jolts; a mother whose husband held a government job enforcing directives, which she defended by saying, �I don�t care, it�s only the rich that they hurt. After all, I must think of my children.� . . . . . . These passengers were awake; there was not a man aboard the train who did not share one or more of their ideas.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/244381

Wow. That looks boring in a boring kind of way.

Also, am I the only one who has the impression that all current movie trailers are cut and composed by a single guy with ADHD?

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov The National Review is basically the intellectual center of the conservative movement, and their takedown of Atlas Shrugged in 1957 is amazing:

let's not forget how different the Democrats were back then too:



John F. Kennedy, December 14th, 1962:

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This administration pledged itself last summer to an across-the-board, top-to-bottom cut in personal and corporate income taxes to be enacted and become effective in 1963. I am not talking about a quickie or a temporary tax cut which would be more appropriate if a recession were imminent. Nor am I talking about giving the economy a mere shot in the arm to ease some temporary complaint. The federal government's most useful role is not to rush into a program of excessive increases in public expenditures, but to expand the incentives and opportunities for private expenditures. When consumers purchase more goods, plants use more of their capacity, men are hired instead of laid off, investment increases and profits are higher. Corporate tax rates must also be cut to increase incentives and the availability of investment capital. The government has already taken major steps this year to reduce business tax liability and to stimulate the modernization, replacement, and expansion of our productive plant and equipment.

Sounds like today's Conservatives, eh?

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Originally posted by Meat187 Also, am I the only one who has the impression that all current movie trailers are cut and composed by a single guy with ADHD?

My bad. I get a little carried away when I do that, sorry

Stop lying Lira, your style would easily be recognizable by the abundance of boobs.

I'm guessing this is your work, though:

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Originally posted by The17sss Sounds like today's Conservatives, eh?

Yeah, all he�s missing are massive spending increases to coincide with the tax cuts.

She seems similar to L. Ron Hubbard- Average fiction writing spawning shiteful philosophy = herd of retarded followers

objectivism is complete shit. I hate popular philosophy in general: Its always completely unconsidered, and full of hyperbole

I agree with what JBJ said. Two things always come to mind when I think of AR: ego and talent. You can be very talented and still be wrong. We all have a tendency to adopt an idea of how the world works and then try to fit it into no matter what. Its a good policy to keep your ego in check and try not to judge others. I think thats why most great authors make observations of the human condition and avoid political based messages. One can't help think less of her otherwise well written novels.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, all he�s missing are massive spending increases to coincide with the tax cuts.

our current commander in chief is making up for those missed spending increases under JFK

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Originally posted by EgosXII She seems similar to L. Ron Hubbard- Average fiction writing spawning shiteful philosophy = herd of retarded followers

We've got Chico Xavier here in Brazil and it's the very same thing. This is the one thing that makes me wary of writing fiction.

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Originally posted by The17sss our current commander in chief is making up for those missed spending increases under JFK

Yeah, except of course its tax cuts, bush�s wars & the economic downturn that is responsible for most of the yearly deficits. But, I wouldn�t expect you to appreciate these facts.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, except of course its tax cuts, bush�s wars & the economic downturn that is responsible for most of the yearly deficits. But, I wouldn�t expect you to appreciate these facts.

rrrrrrright. tax cuts are to blame. yeah it's definitely not the $3+ trillion spending budgets under Obama (or tripling the deficit) that are putting us on the road to ruin and affecting the economic downturn. lol at still blaming Bush after we've had Democrats controlling the finances since 2006. Obama's failed stimulus alone cost more than Iraq war spending... and all previous wars combined.

Dude, even Obama's biggest liberal NY Times superfan Andrew Sullivan said this today, after Obama released his new record breaking $3.7 trillion spending spree budget!

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To all those under 30 who worked so hard to get this man elected, know this: he just screwed you over. He thinks you�re fools. Either the US will go into default because of Obama�s cowardice, or you will be paying far far more for far far less because this president has no courage when it counts. He let you down. On the critical issue of America�s fiscal crisis, he represents no hope and no change. Just the same old Washington politics he once promised to end. Senators have to lead, because this president is too weak, too cautious, too beholden to politics over policy to lead. In this budget, in his refusal to do anything concrete to tackle the looming entitlement debt, in his failure to address the generational injustice, in his blithe indifference to the increasing danger of default, he has betrayed those of us who took him to be a serious president prepared to put the good of the country before his short term political interests. Like his State of the Union, this budget is good short term politics but such a massive pile of fiscal bullshit it makes it perfectly clear that Obama is kicking this vital issue down the road.

One of the lowlights from his new budget? $26.3 trillion in new debt...repeat, new debt alone over the next decade. I'm going to keep posting these inconvenient graphs for you, since you don't want to accept the real facts:








See the yellow line? That's what Obama proposes to cut... further proof he doesn't give a fuck about the economy.

And just for an added bonus for laughter at those Obama supporters who still stand by their man no matter how much he lies... Today he unveiled his massive record breaking budget, with a $1.65 TRILLION budget deficit for 2011.


And here is Candidate Obama in 2008 blasting Bush's $500 billion budget deficit:




Sort of makes you long for the days of that kind of fiscal responsibility, doesn't it? Go ahead lefties, do what you do best... attack the messenger rather than the message.

23.6 trillion in NEW DEBT

Thatd bring you guys up to like 35 right???

Kevin wrong once again. Its hard to understand facts when you always have 1 eye closed. It makes understanding what graphs mean really difficult for the myopic! Here�s a really easy one to understand,.



http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036

keep putting your head in the sand kev!

Never bothered with reading Ayn Rand. I don't like reading ideas that are expressed through novels and such because things just fly through my head. I'm a fan of clear and boring writing. From what I read in her wikipedia, it seems like all she did was support libertarianism and people ate this up like it was a new thing. How uninspiring. Correct me if i'm wrong.

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Originally posted by nefardec i started to write something similar, but you said this much bettter than i could have

yeah, me too!

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Originally posted by -FSP- Never bothered with reading Ayn Rand.

You're not missing anything.

Kevin has always come across to me as one of those Creationists that have Answers in Genesis as their home page and then just copy paste their tripe on science forums and websites.

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Originally posted by woscar Kevin has always come across to me as one of those Creationists that have Answers in Genesis as their home page and then just copy paste their tripe on science forums and websites.

Copy words from one location. Paste them to another and they appear. There's no explanation for it. It just happens. You can't explain that.

How exactly did this thread come to American politics?

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