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Originally posted by notelfreak i have a distaste for efx because 99% of the time they are over done. A little delay never hurt anyone, but too much pew pew pow pow really ruins the music for me. the way it is used also often leads to killing the natural flow of a set. Flow is something that i find very important, and it is one of the hardest skills to master imo as a dj.

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flow is one of the hardest things to master, but once you do, mixing is like butter

flow is one of the biggest things i focus on in my sets

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Originally posted by snatonsb Why is that...? Could you please elaborate more...? I think he is a great dj.

He used to be spot-on, but there seems to be more of a feigned interest in him over the last year, maybe two years. It's the whole thing where yeah, it was great when it came out, but we've seen it and heard it a million times and now everybody's trying to emulate you, so we're pretty much over it.

Also, he cannot at all be compared to turntablists. He does a lot of looping on CDJs, a lot of effecting, and his scratching is nine times out of ten not done with a plain sample and a crossfader. He has used the same sample on his CD for years and tends to only use the EFX when he scratches in order to chop the sound of him scratching into a rhythm that moves in time with the music. It's an incredibly easy process that I managed to emulate within a day of purchasing my EFX years ago.

He doesn't put on two copies of the same record and beat-juggle them, he doesn't scratch with the crossfader, etc. He's good at what he does, but he's not a turntablist in the truest sense of the word.

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Originally posted by Teezdalien Yeah but seriously, where the fuck would electronic music be without effects.

Where the fuck would it be without DJs?

where the fuck would music be ancient aztec death whistles?

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Originally posted by idoru He used to be spot-on, but there seems to be more of a feigned interest in him over the last year, maybe two years. It's the whole thing where yeah, it was great when it came out, but we've seen it and heard it a million times and now everybody's trying to emulate you, so we're pretty much over it. Where the fuck would it be without DJs?

Nail, head, etc.

Which dj has the best mixing in your guys opinion anyways....?

I am saying Armin is one of the top ones mixing wise.

i don't really care if he can mix well or not, he still plays music that makes me want to kill myself

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Originally posted by snatonsb Which dj has the best mixing in your guys opinion anyways....? I am saying Armin is one of the top ones mixing wise.

DJ AM!!!

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Originally posted by jupiterone i don't really care if he can mix well or not, he still plays music that makes me want to kill myself

I wasn't referring to the music he plays. I was saying who do you think has the best mixing and Armin is one of those top dj's who mixes very well, Plus he does it harmonically.

If you want to look at who has the best mixing skills you won't find it in a trance DJ.

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Originally posted by snatonsb I wasn't referring to the music he plays. I was saying who do you think has the best mixing and Armin is one of those top dj's who mixes very well, Plus he does it harmonically.

Harmonic mixing is not the be-all, end-all of good mixing. As previously stated, you'll have to look far past Trance to find someone who actually mixes "good."

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Originally posted by Zild If you want to look at who has the best mixing skills you won't find it in a trance DJ.

good ol diggers, always consistent with the smooth mixing and flow

allen & heath all the way baby

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Originally posted by Tony Morello good ol diggers, always consistent with the smooth mixing and flow allen & heath all the way baby

I agree with the flow thing you were talking about, what you play has to make sense.

Zabiella doesn't do it for me either, technically talented but over rated as an enternainer.

Whilst I find Sasha really boring, prior to him using Ableton, his flow and mixing ability was extremely tight, although that is to be expected if you play the set for a month or so.

Someone who I feel needs a mention in terms of skill is definitely Ferry. Creates a very good flow and technically spot on both in terms of track selection and ear for music, key etc.

Most of the top guys are really good, trance or house (with a few exceptions mentioning no names).

Getting back to what TM said though, Flow is where it's at regardless of the music style you play and this really has nothing to do with technical ability. As long as you are pretty good at mixing your track selection is most likely what people are going to remember about you anyway.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by Tony Morello good ol diggers, always consistent with the smooth mixing and flow allen & heath all the way baby

I was thinking more along the lines of turntablists, hip-hop DJs, and techno jocks using 3/4 decks.

Jeff Mills

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Originally posted by n3lly Jeff Mills

A lot of the stuff Jeff Mills does ends up sounding like shit.

I thought sloppy mixing was the "Detroit style"

This conversation is making me a little nostalgic. With ableton, serato, etc. technical mixing ability is really not even a real topic of conversation anymore. Flow and programming are the only thing that matter...

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Originally posted by Stasis With ableton, serato, etc. technical mixing ability is really not even a real topic of conversation anymore. Flow and programming are the only thing that matter...

I wish I could agree... But from what I heard within the last years, really seems to contradict that. Following hypothesis:

When I mix with vinyl I all the time have to take care of my beatmatching and EQing to get those transitions as smooth as possible. Therefore I don't have time to mess with FX or any additional stuff. The choice of tracks becomes essential then, because they need to fit and flow to each other as perfect as possible.

Using the digital way of mixing strips you of beatmatching, you just hit the sync button. And since there seems to be a certain production standart among producers, the EQing seems not as necessary as with vinyl or at least a lot easier. Therefore you have much more time to use FX or additional decks or whatever you like. This way you could "make up" for not well chosen tracks.

So in my opinion the "analog" way is as difficult as the "digital" way of mixing. There is no better or worse. The problem is that a lot of DJs got lazy! They neither take their time to chose proper tracks, nor to learn how to use effects properly. That's one of the reasons why so many sets nowadays sound so similar and often dead boring.

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 Someone who I feel needs a mention in terms of skill is definitely Ferry. Creates a very good flow and technically spot on both in terms of track selection and ear for music, key etc.

yea man, every time i've seen ferry he's blown me away, wicked tunes and he doesn't hammer on the effects, if he does use them, they're well timed and fit the music really well

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