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Originally posted by SSSanchez This sense of entitlement is common now.

How exactly am I conveying a sense of entitlement?

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Originally posted by Sentinal The Monroe Towers here in Mississauga and the Chicago and Onyx Condos are all in full swing. V-Dub I have always been very curious about your field of work. How does one start a carrer in crane operations??? Must be pretty amazing to have such amazing views of the city everydat from so many different locations.

I live there at Absolute and those cranes are 100 yards from my front door. I couldve been on one of them except for my making one of the stupidest decisions of my career...

As for getting into this gig...you join the union...that's it...

And yes the view is pretty amazing. I can see the Skybar from here. LOL...

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Originally posted by Irishaddict My industry is booming in this economy. I realize I am one of the lucky ones. Although I firmly disagree Graham was hinting at any sort of sense of entitlement with his post, I definitely believe one exists with my generation. A university degree is fantastic and will elevate you above colleagues I completely agree, but success is cemented by hard work, hard hard hard work. I am so tired of new associates coming into my office like they own the place, only to leave 3 months later because they're not getting the silver spoon they thought they were entitled to. Humility and work ethic go a looooooooong way. rant over

I do not disagree with anything that you have written; my sentiment is similar. However, instead of soaking in hubris, perhaps look at how global the world has become and how there are structural changes in the economy, industry and employment...a lot has changed even in the last 5 years. Perhaps at the time, the decision to pursue a university degree looked promising, and that they based their decisions at the time with that information on expectations. Again, hindsight is always 20/20. Perhaps they should have pursued a job with the TTC collecting tickets for $120K p.a. (with overtime)? It's hardly skill developing and interesting, but great income, stability and benefits. This option certainly looks far better than having a university degree with no employment opportunities.

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Originally posted by The Highroller Anyway, I'll be entering the workforce with a seemingly recession-proof degree come January.

Pardon my ignorance here - but don't you have a biz degree?

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Originally posted by SSSanchez I do not disagree with anything that you have written; my sentiment is similar. However, instead of soaking in hubris, perhaps look at how global the world has become and how there are structural changes in the economy, industry and employment...a lot has changed even in the last 5 years. Perhaps at the time, the decision to pursue a university degree looked promising, and that they based their decisions at the time with that information on expectations. Again, hindsight is always 20/20. Perhaps they should have pursued a job with the TTC collecting tickets for $120K p.a. (with overtime)? It's hardly skill developing and interesting, but great income, stability and benefits. This option certainly looks far better than having a university degree with no employment opportunities.

A single university degree has not made you any more competitive for career jobs I would argue in at least 15 years. An enormous amount of people go to university in Canada. It is merely a stepping stone to a professional designation or further schooling. It keeps your head above the water in job competitions and gives you an interview. To think your university degree OWES you anything is so wrong, soooooo wrong. It simply gives you a nicer place to start.

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Originally posted by Playa24_7 +1 Thank you Laura. No matter what type of job you are doing, if you want to move up, you have to work your butt off.

Yes. And you have to consistently work your butt off.

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Originally posted by SSSanchez Again, hindsight is always 20/20. Perhaps they should have pursued a job with the TTC collecting tickets for $120K p.a. (with overtime)? It's hardly skill developing and interesting, but great income, stability and benefits. This option certainly looks far better than having a university degree with no employment opportunities.

I agree with your point, but I find that my studies have not been to merely make money. Personally, I enjoy education, especially if I am learning about things that I am passionate about. I find that I cannot do the same motions at a job over a over again, so even though collecting tokens for the TTC may pay well it is not for me. I need my career to mean something at the same time to challenge and interest me.

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Originally posted by 5hiftn6ears You're only talking about high rise construction...there's still commercial, institutional, residential, service work etc. And where there is a lull in people buying new, a lot of them have turned to renovating they're existing home...in turn picking up the slack of lost "new" construction. This has been one of my busiest years tbh.

Read the post people. Major construction will feel the brunt of this recession some time next year if things do not pick up fairly soon. Most current projects have received their financing and will be completed. Others, such as the jobs I listed have been delayed and/or are on hold. Shangri la, Ice Condos, Fly, and Minto (currently still on hold) are also seeing similar delays. Like I said, and this is public information, not one new permit has gone through the city of Toronto this year for a condo development. The opening of sales office does not mean a building will be built. They still need to sell roughly 2/3 of their units prior to breaking ground.

The mars project is institutional, which, as a whole could actually see increase of work due to the fact that their budgets are often funded by the government. Low rise residential construction is at it's lowest in at least 10 years. You forgot to mention industrial, which like commercial, is strongly affected by the economy. If banks, factories, stores etc continue to see less profits, there will be less money to use on capital expenditures such as construction of new buildings, plant upgrades, major renovations.

The stability of the maintenance sector and a possibly increase in home renovations will not carry the construction sector as a whole, and it takes longer for construction to recover than almost any other field of work. If you disagree, ask any of your coworkers about the early 90's

Non-residential construction is going to be depressed for probably the next 12 months. Just look at building permit stats from StatsCan. The only sector showing hope is institutional.

Re. the MARS project - it was partly backed by the government but the majority of the money came from private investors, and the management and leasing of it was to be done by a company called Alexandria out of California - Alexandria made the decision to put the project on hold. Just because a project gets money from the govt doesn't mean it's foolproof.

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Originally posted by miketg23

Fair enough, but until the world doesn't need electricity I think I'm safe.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Where's the option for recent graduates looking for their first professional job? lol

lol be prepared for countless days spent sending out 25+ resumes a day, and that was back when the economy was strong...

The hardest part of searching for THAT first job after graduation was letting my expectations drop gradually as time went by

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Originally posted by SSSanchez This sense of entitlement is common now. They speak as if they're the source of creativity and ingenuity. Sure they work hard, but with direction, instruction and coordination. The same could be said about any construction worker. The methods, techniques and technologies are pretty mature in these areas (low risk). BTW I am too a SKULE alumnus OT1. Hindsight is always 20/20. The opposite could be true for them in that they could be obsolete (replaced by technology, machine or technique) and his friends in a thriving work environment. It is so small of them to criticize university graduates and thump their chests. If there was more standardization of the qualification, duplication and homogeneity (without organizations and unions/barriers to entry), they would be prone to wage declines. Then what? No chest thumping. It's unfortunate because the work is not unique and if allowed easily outsourced to lower bidders (with the same qualifications).

And I suppose you are the source of creativity and ingenuity? Most engineers in my field, mechanical, don't create anything. They actually use the hard work and creativity of other engineers apply it to the current project. These methods are also quite mature as mechanical systems in construction have not changed all that much in the time that I have been in the field. Kudos to those engineers that design new, more efficient, less labor intensive means of providing the same results, for they have made something, and will be justly rewarded.

I don't criticize those with degrees. I criticize those with degrees who attack my means of making a living and feel I should be paid less. If you think that someone shouldn't be making as much you, look at yourself, and seek the skills that you need in order make more money.

As for easily outsourcing my work to the lowest bidder, I would like to personally thank the Alberta government for easing the foreign worker laws. I worked 12 hour shifts 7 days a week for nearly 4 months in 2007 fixing the more than 300 failed welds by offshore workers.

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Originally posted by Orko How many people have you met, that have done undergrad, and are finishing a masters, and have absolutely no job prospects because they don't have any real world skills? Personally I have met far too many since living in this city.

It's at least equally important--I'd argue that it's a little more important--but at least equally important where you attained your degree as it is merely having a degree. A graduate from McGill is going to have a much easier time finding a position than his or her counterparts from bumble-fuck-Algoma-U. The group of friends I've graduated with and continue to work with certainly didn't go to university just for a piece of paper; we where and are there to network. If you cannot network effectively, you're essentially wasting your time in university.

It's not a coincidence that Canada has the highest rate of university students in the world and the highest rate of unemployment among university students as well. It's nobody fault but the student--if you attend a proper university, network effectively, there is no reason why you shouldn't have employment lined up by the time you graduate.

In any event, my department is doing quite well compared to other publicly funded universities.

p.s. what the hell are you babbling about miketg23? As far as I've read, nobody in this thread has "attacked" the way you make a living.

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Originally posted by legendary_waz That is sorta based on the conversation I had with a friend in regards to how the people that make this world work are getting shafted in terms of pay, while those uneducated are pulling in ridiculous salaries.

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Originally posted by miketg23 ^

He clarified himself three pages ago, as well so did Highroller--nobody is talking about tradesmen being uneducated.

So, again, what the hell are you still babbling about three pages later after everything has been clarified?

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew lol be prepared for countless days spent sending out 25+ resumes a day, and that was back when the economy was strong... The hardest part of searching for THAT first job after graduation was letting my expectations drop gradually as time went by

once you do get that first job, it gets alot easier... boom or recession.

I found a really good GTA based website that helped me get a job downtown Toronto as a graphic designer. Its all free and I hope u guys have some luck with it!

www.workdirectory.ca

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Originally posted by Porky once you do get that first job, it gets alot easier... boom or recession.

true that!
back in June'08 I was out of the job for 2 weeks.. finding a new job after already working for a year was MUCH easier

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Originally posted by The Highroller Anyway, I'll be entering the workforce with a seemingly recession-proof degree come January. Unemployment will continue to rise far past January, so I am still concerned. Even many of these so-called "recession-proof" professions do take a hit as the economy contracts. We'll see what happens...

Not to rain on your parade, but going into accounting is not recession proof. Sure for experienced and certified CAs, you are going to survive. But for somebody looking to get in, straight out of school, you have the chance of been squeezed out, before you even get your foot in the door.

Thankfully the recession is not as bad here in Canada as it is in other countries. Our bankruptcy, foreclosures and default percentage rates are not nearly the same as the U.S., and so businesses still need people to crunch those numbers and make accurate long term projections.

Since you have already worked hard all this while, I won't bother saying keep your head down, and keep plugging away.

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Originally posted by evil_cookie It's not a coincidence that Canada has the highest rate of university students in the world and the highest rate of unemployment among university students as well. It's nobody fault but the student--if you attend a proper university, network effectively, there is no reason why you shouldn't have employment lined up by the time you graduate.

All the school rep in the world won't help you get a job with a rec and leisure BA. I really do think that graduate problem's stem from being ill prepared due to the field and stream of study, rather than the institution. Good people with quality skills will be found and had, even if they go to a shitty school.

Graham, I didn't know you were going for your CA. Ignore my earlier comment (tho I wouldn't qualify any position in the corporate world as recession proof or even resistant though).

My job here is very secure and I have absolutely no fears (NFPO for a medical profession). We thought originally we would down budget-wise this year and we actually are well over, which is great.

My only fear is next year, when I move to the US. I'm not sure how easy it will be for me to get a job but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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Originally posted by Orko Good people with quality skills will be found and had, even if they go to a shitty school.

I'm not arguing otherwise. What I addressed was specifically in regards to students and the fact that there are schools that prepare you, and then there are schools that prepare you. You cannot deny that the opportunity to network efficiently, with the right people in your field, is at least partly contingent on where you attend--not to mention that a rigorous academic environment fosters the sort of work-habits you need to be a competent employee.

Some stock dude on CP24 confirms the economy will rebounce back in 2010, who knows ... I really hope it's true and maybe, hopping it to be sooner.

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Originally posted by E2EK1EL Some stock dude on CP24 confirms the economy will rebounce back in 2010, who knows ... I really hope it's true and maybe, hopping it to be sooner.

Early 2010 would be perfect *fingers crossed* Just in time for me to start job hunting.

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