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Posted by LeopoldStotch on Jun-23-2009 19:01:

i agree. as long as i have access to the command prompt / terminal / shell / insert another term here i am happy. I think when we compare these 3 OS's, it all comes down to the interface, compatibility, and UI for the high end uers, and the libraries, resource management, I/O usage, standard OS functionality, and kernels for the low end user. each one of the OS listed has their own niche in the OS world.


Posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY on Jun-23-2009 19:08:

Linux is the one OS I haven't really messed around with too much. Add to the fact there are soooo many variants of it, can be overwhelming.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-23-2009 19:09:

quote:
Originally posted by iammesol
Oh, and sweet, Ben. Hope you enjoy it. Your incredinerd personality may not like it in the end though.

Yeah, I am open to that at this point. I am going to be in the market for a new laptop soon since I am going to need one I can actually use for school. Cost is the big factor here though. And with how picky I am with my machines, I don't know that I could afford it at this point in time. All depends on how much I get from the government.

quote:
Originally posted by enydo
This argument is so beaten to death and dry at this point it's not even funny.

This is what prompted my comment earlier. While I have my reasons for hating on MacOS, I am sick of the debate of which one is better.

quote:
Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY
Linux is the one OS I haven't really messed around with too much. Add to the fact there are soooo many variants of it, can be overwhelming.

Agreed, but if you have never used it, or haven't used it enough to understand the differences of the distributions (what they call the variants), you should check out Ubuntu. Or if you prefer a more Windows-like experience, Kubuntu. Same company, different interface.


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-23-2009 19:19:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Agreed, but if you have never used it, or haven't used it enough to understand the differences of the distributions (what they call the variants), you should check out Ubuntu. Or if you prefer a more Windows-like experience, Kubuntu. Same company, different interface.



If we want to get really nerdy we could turn this into an argument about GNOME vs. KDE!

Or how about Vi vs Emacs?


Posted by LeopoldStotch on Jun-23-2009 19:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
If we want to get really nerdy we could turn this into an argument about GNOME vs. KDE!

Or how about Vi vs Emacs?


oh hell yeah. there's a good reason why I installed cygwin (unix shell) on my work computer (windows), because quite frankly, windows doesn't have the appropriate tools or windows tools are pretty crappy i need to dev, like grep, sed, head, tail, find, and secure shell. for secure shell, i can always use putty or secure ssh app, but i feel more comfortable with the unix version of it.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-23-2009 19:39:

quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
If we want to get really nerdy we could turn this into an argument about GNOME vs. KDE!

Or how about Vi vs Emacs?

nano man. fuck them both. lol jk

quote:
Originally posted by LeopoldStotch
oh hell yeah. there's a good reason why I installed cygwin (unix shell) on my work computer (windows), because quite frankly, windows doesn't have the appropriate tools or windows tools are pretty crappy i need to dev, like grep, sed, head, tail, find, and secure shell. for secure shell, i can always use putty or secure ssh app, but i feel more comfortable with the unix version of it.

Win7 has PowerShell, which supports a bit of UNIX commands. Although the PowerShell is imho, incomplete. They should just support bash totally.


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-23-2009 19:44:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
nano man. fuck them both. lol jk


Win7 has PowerShell, which supports a bit of UNIX commands. Although the PowerShell is imho, incomplete. They should just support bash totally.



Nano ftw, it came from pico which was used in pine which was made at the UW!

And yea, I hate command prompt in windows, and powershell or dev console or all the other things are wacked out too...

Full on bash would be nice but the whole OS would have to change in some ways... at least the file structuring and such. Its just easier doing stuff how linux lays out its files.... of course that is if its consistent across the distros, which its not.


Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-23-2009 19:46:

Yeah it blows they aren't more consistent. This has a movement though to change that. More standardised in things like updating and package management.


Posted by LeopoldStotch on Jun-23-2009 19:46:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
nano man. fuck them both. lol jk


Win7 has PowerShell, which supports a bit of UNIX commands. Although the PowerShell is imho, incomplete. They should just support bash totally.


if it supports bash, i would be very very very happy. standard dos scripting is very shit, and i still am confused why Microsoft doesn't want to furthur solidify the scripting language. I can do things with vbscript, but then that will get my antivirus crazy, and start complaining it is malicious.

// edit

ok nerding it out too much. time for me to get back to work.


Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jun-23-2009 19:52:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Yeah it blows they aren't more consistent. This has a movement though to change that. More standardised in things like updating and package management.


I have found apt and the deb packages in debian/ubuntu to be the easiest package managment system available.

I used to be a Redhat kid when I was younger and I hated RPMs! Its annoying that most everything still is in RPM, thats slowly changing though. Lots of people are offering binary debs and the ubuntu repositories pretty much have everything under the sun in them.

I just hate getting some random 3rd party binary that installs itself in some fucking /var/opt/local/COMPANY NAME/shit folder and then puts all its configs, binaries, dependencies and such in that one folder.


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Posted by verndogs on Jun-23-2009 20:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Or how about Vi vs Emacs?


Or you can write your own text editor


Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-23-2009 20:07:

lol that is awesome.


Posted by Dervish on Jun-23-2009 20:26:

I've run all. Using Vista on this (laptop), works ok, but think it holds your hand way to much.

Seriously considering a dual boot to Ubuntu (what I have exclusively on my desktop). It is handy to have windoze for certain apps etc. like phone software so on. So gates always wins the bastard!


Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-23-2009 20:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Dervish
I've run all. Using Vista on this (laptop), works ok, but think it holds your hand way to much.

Seriously considering a dual boot to Ubuntu (what I have exclusively on my desktop). It is handy to have windoze for certain apps etc. like phone software so on. So gates always wins the bastard!

What phone do you have?


Posted by Dervish on Jun-23-2009 20:30:

Samsung. When I used Ubuntu more could fuck about to do most stuff (actually might have been when I had my old sony phone) but was a bit of a pain in the arse.

That said isn't exactly perfect on windoze either!!!


Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-23-2009 20:35:

Samsungs are all Windows based stuff. No *nix that I am aware of.


Posted by supersaw abuse on Jun-23-2009 22:56:

quote:
Originally posted by gehzumteufel
Samsungs are all Windows based stuff. No *nix that I am aware of.

i think it's a proprietary os, actually? i don't recall any winmo-based samsungs aside from the blackjack


Posted by gehzumteufel on Jun-23-2009 23:03:

quote:
Originally posted by supersaw abuse
i think it's a proprietary os, actually? i don't recall any winmo-based samsungs aside from the blackjack

There are a few. Samsung Omnia, Omnia II, i700, i600, i500.


Posted by Dervish on Jun-23-2009 23:15:

Well on the Sony could use it as a modem (I think....was a year ago or something) and access the memory card on Ubuntu but using open source software via bluetooth.

Plus on the Samsung I've got is a prop. OS Tocco (F480...?).


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