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Originally posted by Clovis If we really wanted to prevent more plane crashes we would train and pay pilots better because that is the biggest culprit as far as aviation safety goes in my opinion. Airplanes are safer than ever yet they are still crashing at the hands of complete idiots flying them or over stressed and over worked under paid professionals.

The co-pilot on that commuter crash in Buffalo, she made 16k a year, worked as a barista, and commuted 12 hours to work.

The pilot on that flight was seen sleeping only 45 minutes or so before the flight.

I think instead of using cotton for the seat chairs, they should use Jello. It's just as comfortable. If the plane is about to crash, there will be a controlled 2millisecond 900 volt charge which will be sent to each passengers seat, which will cause the seat's jello to explode (yes, this is a real reaction for jello, read it on wikipedia), filling the cabin, with jello. You will have a better chance of survival in a cabin of soft cushioning jello especially since Jello also puts out jet fuel fire. Jello also does not stain cloth.

But the chairs will have to be covered in rubber so you don't die from the electric shock.

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Originally posted by Clovis If we really wanted to prevent more plane crashes we would train and pay pilots better because that is the biggest culprit as far as aviation safety goes in my opinion. Airplanes are safer than ever yet they are still crashing at the hands of complete idiots flying them or over stressed, over worked, and under paid professionals.

I thought pilots make good money? I do agree they're over worked and over stressed. They must have some crazy schedules and their bodies (and minds) can't keep up with it. More down time, if anything.

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Originally posted by Clovis If we really wanted to prevent more plane crashes we would train and pay pilots better because that is the biggest culprit as far as aviation safety goes in my opinion. Airplanes are safer than ever yet they are still crashing at the hands of complete idiots flying them or over stressed, over worked, and under paid professionals.

This I 100% agree with.

From what I understand, the required flying hours to be a pilot has dropped exponentially over the years.

Perhaps I am wrong, but I think there may be too much reliance on technology too. I can't remember which crash it was, but one plane went down because the pilot had it on auto-pilot during a freezing area or something like that.

The airline industry in general is sucking. I don't know what they need to do, but something will have to give.

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Originally posted by Theresa LOL you're ridiclous. It's not that asinine, nor is it that obvious to people when they don't know the logistics of parachuting or plane crashes for that matter.

No, it's pretty god damn obvious to everyone that's ever stepped foot inside of a plane. I don't know anything about aviation, and very little physics outside of some college classes and I know that you can't jump from a fucking plane ~35,000 feet in the air. You're an idiot.

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Originally posted by Clovis If we really wanted to prevent more plane crashes we would train and pay pilots better because that is the biggest culprit as far as aviation safety goes in my opinion. Airplanes are safer than ever yet they are still crashing at the hands of complete idiots flying them or over stressed, over worked, and under paid professionals.

I've actually watched airline mechanics pretty closely because of my work and quite honestly I'm surprised there isn't any more crashes. Most of the people don't really seem to give a shit and if/when it's break time (which is most of the time) they all just leave everything and disappear.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH I thought pilots make good money? I do agree they're over worked and over stressed. They must have some crazy schedules and their bodies (and minds) can't keep up with it. More down time, if anything.

Pilots used to make good money, they make fuck all unless you're flying heavy iron on transcontinental flights or internationally.

Regional pilots are paid ridiculously low for what is basically the exact same job with smaller airplanes that are just as complex.

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Originally posted by Theresa This I 100% agree with. From what I understand, the required flying hours to be a pilot has dropped exponentially over the years.

Experience levels have dropped across the board particularly because less and less pilots are ex military where they used to rack up thousands of hours prior to moving into airline service, and the advent of cheap, shitty pilot schools that cram information into students over short academic programs lasting 2 years or so.

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Perhaps I am wrong, but I think there may be too much reliance on technology too. I can't remember which crash it was, but one plane went down because the pilot had it on auto-pilot during a freezing area or something like that.

That is probably not why the crash happened.

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Originally posted by Clovis Experience levels have dropped across the board particularly because less and less pilots are ex military where they used to rack up thousands of hours prior to moving into airline service, and the advent of cheap, shitty pilot schools that cram information into students over short academic programs lasting 2 years or so. That is probably not why the crash happened.

This is what I was referencing.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/...ffalocrash.html

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Originally posted by Clovis If we really wanted to prevent more plane crashes we would train and pay pilots better because that is the biggest culprit as far as aviation safety goes in my opinion. Airplanes are safer than ever yet they are still crashing at the hands of complete idiots flying them or over stressed, over worked, and under paid professionals.

im more inclined to think its related to what lillith alluded to earlier, in that airlines are a business and cost-cutting is part of that business. sub-contracting their maintenance to third parties in developing nations is a big cause for concern imo. there's been quite a few incidents lately in australia regarding equipment failure but whether that's just a media beat up or not is hard to tell.

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Originally posted by Theresa Ok, this may seem like a stupid question... but with the recent plane crashes, I have pondered this and wonder if anyone knows. In the event of a plane crash... Why aren't there parachutes on board a plane? Why can't they open the emergency exit doors and have people jump out? I mean, if your plane is going down, chances are, you're going to die. So you may as well take the chance and jump out... you're likely to have more survivors. Right? It just makes sense to me... if the plane is on its way down, have an emergency release where the exit doors come off and parachutes are available. Everyone jumps out as fast as they can and hopes for the best.

interesting

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Maybe this will sound like a crazy question, but why don't commercial planes carry parachutes for each passenger? Life jackets are pointless, but wouldn't parachutes occasionally save the day? Granted, a novice skydiver would be risking life and limb, but it's a better option than hitting the ground at 400 miles per hour.

http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Ask_the_P..._for_passengers

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Originally posted by Theresa This is what I was referencing. http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/...ffalocrash.html

I knew you were, and like I said, that is not why the plane crashed, though it MAY have been a contributing factor.

Most airplane crashes are due to a long chain of mostly insignificant and unrelated events.

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Originally posted by bas No, it's pretty god damn obvious to everyone that's ever stepped foot inside of a plane. I don't know anything about aviation, and very little physics outside of some college classes and I know that you can't jump from a fucking plane ~35,000 feet in the air. You're an idiot.

Ahh, so this is why there are over 1 million results for the same question on google? Everyone obviously just knows...

Jeez, I am so dumb sometimes. Thanks for showing me the error in my ways Bas.

Much appreciated

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Originally posted by winston interesting http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Ask_the_P..._for_passengers

Yea, I found that... a lot of the same thoughts on there.

de nada.

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Originally posted by Theresa Ahh, so this is why there are over 1 million results for the same question on google? Everyone obviously just knows...

Yeah, there's a lot of dumb people out there.

stupid is as stupid does

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Originally posted by Yohan good luck trying to push open the doors in mid flight, going really really fast even if you do get out, the odds are you might get sucked into one of the jet engines. fun times. plus unless you know when to deploy the parachute, the odds are, the parachute won't deploy properly depending on speed you're going. and imagine landing in middle of ocean. your parachute pack don't carry much in terms of survival gear

lol total fucking thread annihilation

in theresa's defense i will admit i once asked the same question. i think i was 11. and i felt a bit dumb after i'd asked it too.

it's ok, i don't think it's dumb at all, i think this answer has an explanation.

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Originally posted by Clovis Yeah, there's a lot of dumb people out there.

Yea, anyone who isn't an expert in every field/topic/subject out there is a moron.

You know more about planes than I do. I probably know more about putting people on planes/tourist destinations etc. than you do. Not everyone is a genius in every subject out there, except for people on TA of course.

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Originally posted by Theresa Yea, anyone who isn't an expert in every field/topic/subject out there is a moron. You know more about planes than I do. I probably know more about putting people on planes/tourist destinations etc. than you do. Not everyone is a genius in every subject out there, except for people on TA of course.

and barbina...oh wait, damn it..i must be dumb too

guillotine. kthnxbye

I don't remember exactly what happened in the Simpsons episode where Homer becomes an astronaut. But I think they were doing a high altitude jump and Barney's chute doesn't deploy and he lands in a mattress depot, bounces out and into Duff Beer company.

It might not be a far-fetched idea but you know how F1 pilots launch out of their cockpit prior to a crash?

Design the plane so in extreme emergency there is a safety trigger which ejects everyone from their seats, each seat fitted with a parachute and oxygen masks.

The seats drop down or they eject u into the air... and then the parachute releases so u have 500 people all floating in the air in their seats.

That would be a sight.

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Originally posted by Theresa Yea, anyone who isn't an expert in every field/topic/subject out there is a moron.

Anyone that can't figure out that you can't jump from a plane that's about to crash with a parachute is in fact, a moron. God help you.

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Originally posted by Theresa Yea, anyone who isn't an expert in every field/topic/subject out there is a moron.

in this instance i wouldn't say moron. i'd say lazy, because i think you posted this without giving the question any real thought.

any adult of moderate experience should be able to come up with a list of reasons why it would never work, not because they're an aeronautical engineer, but because they've been on a plane

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