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Originally posted by SasH21 Music has been shit lately ...house or trance...I find myself relistening to sets from years ago because those are the only ones that sound good compared to what comes out today. Trance in general has gotten worse over the years. I got into EDM by listening to trance, and right now there is hardly anything I like at all. I find that it sounds too cheesy and all sounds the same, nothing new or interesting. The vocals sounds like they are sang pretty much by the same cracked out female voice in every track and are always about hopeless and lost love...and then comes a dramatic breakdown with hard beats after...so predictable! Producers need to step it up!

+100000! you took the words right outta my mouth dissapointing because I truly miss that old feeling that trance gave me

stop living in the past...be present to whats going on and accept it. you probably dont realize it but you just get used to the genre. I am sure the people getting into trance right now will be saying the same thing a few years down the road.

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Originally posted by love_child stop living in the past...

thats just a silly thing to say, because its not about *living* in the past.


I dont want the past to come BACK, I want the present/future to have good tunes with originality and creativity. which it is not, and thus being upset by it.


(to be honest the past has been repeating itself anyways! and its quite annoying! how many remixes of the old classics to we have to hear until we are so sick of it that we dont even care to hear the originals anymore?? come up with something new, people!!)

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby thats just a silly thing to say, because its not about *living* in the past. I dont want the past to come BACK, I want the present/future to have good tunes with originality and creativity. which it is not, and thus being upset by it. (to be honest the past has been repeating itself anyways! and its quite annoying! how many remixes of the old classics to we have to hear until we are so sick of it that we dont even care to hear the originals anymore?? come up with something new, people!!)

Mainstream trance has been shit for years. Any time I dip my toes back into the big name stuff it always sounds like emotionally dishonest, forced, and bland pop music backed with formulaic dance beats. And singing, a lot of the time. Terrible, vapid singing. There is nothing redeemable in this hodgepodge of superficial nonsense.

Want to hear new, different stuff? Go to a site like www.thesixtyone.com and check out the electronic section. All kinds of new music coming out there, which may or may not be what's "Cool at the moment".

I find any time I sit in one Genre for too long, it just gets boring. That's obvious. I also find the question "why can't songs be like what they used to be like - creative, original, and inspired!?" painful to hear; I mean - there ARE new things being done, new sounds being explored - but you can't expect it to always work in the standard trance format. These "great original songs" were great and original for the TIME AND PLACE they were released. You could release a HEAP of what is being done today back then, and the result would be the same. It caught you at a new time, a new moment in your life - that time and moment is gone now, and you just don't realize that it's more than the music that has shifted

There is plenty of great stuff, listening wise, out there. Unfortunately, this music doesn't make any money, unless you're a big DJ, and being spun in the clubs. What do clubs want? The same old, drinking, money making crowd. You find the same thing in any other club - top 40, hip hop, rock - why would this genre be any different? Do you see fantastic, original, breathtaking movies coming out of Hollywood often? You go to the small guys, the poor guys, to get the goods. If you want a real change to happen, put your money into the small artists you find, the venues that support them, and boom - you initiate change. Otherwise...

Go to OTHER places - subculture events, underground parties, etc. People who aren't making any money are taking LOTS of risks. Music is like every other effort in humanity; LOTS of competition, LOTS of good, LOTS of crap, and lots of people asking for the best without really doing much to get it

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Originally posted by Endlesswave

remember this? This was deffo from my old Guvy days...around the 3 min mark, the buildup just DROPS and the whole club would just BLOW THE F*CK UP....

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Originally posted by Elendil

well my opinion doesnt pertain to everyone, but like I said, I dont really need the old to come back, I am just not very pleased with whats coming out. I love the trance of the past but I have no problem leaving it behind and creating new memories from new tracks, so long as they are worth listening to. And unfortunately, I just dont feel that way. it totally bums me out

check out kenji sekiguchi's sevensenses broadcast.

love his sets.

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Originally posted by smuncky check out kenji sekiguchi's sevensenses broadcast. love his sets.

lol you whore him up everywhere you can eh!

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby remember this? This was deffo from my old Guvy days...around the 3 min mark, the buildup just DROPS and the whole club would just BLOW THE F*CK UP....

I will check out the vid when I go home, at work now. But if it's anything like I imagine, wow.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew lol you whore him up everywhere you can eh!

hey when it's good it's good

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Originally posted by smuncky hey when it's good it's good

you know you told me 3 times about him? haha

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew you know you told me 3 times about him? haha

i forget things, ok?

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby remember this? This was deffo from my old Guvy days...around the 3 min mark, the buildup just DROPS and the whole club would just BLOW THE F*CK UP....

Not that this isn't a great track - it sounds perfectly trance-worthy. However, if this is an example of good old days trance, which is not being done anymore, than you're in serious need of some digging I've heard tracks like this so many times it's not even funny. Furthermore, these are all tracks exploiting simple melody structures, and similar structures - how many variations can there possibly be?

What I think, however, that is something you're catching on to is that a huge amount of producers these days are taking the music farrrr too seriously, because pursuit of the big deal (which is nonexistent), or the mythical DJ status, has clouded their sense of fun, and whimsy in music. The best music, for me, is music that falls together naturally - it can be happy, sad, and everything in between; but if it takes itself so seriously you can practically see the scowl on the producers face as he mimics the emotions, it just doesn't work for me.

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Originally posted by Elendil Not that this isn't a great track - it sounds perfectly trance-worthy. However, if this is an example of good old days trance, which is not being done anymore, than you're in serious need of some digging I've heard tracks like this so many times it's not even funny. Furthermore, these are all tracks exploiting simple melody structures, and similar structures - how many variations can there possibly be?

talking about my opinion in one track and comparing it to ALL of the amazing tracks I used to hear is just ridiculous.

You automatically assume that, because i put up one track that I happened to have heard TODAY in passerby, that this is an exmaple of all the old trance?? thats just it, ALL the old trance had variation, creativity, and thought put into it, thus not many songs sounded exactly the same like they do today.

Please dont make assumptions based on the fact that I overheard a song today, and thought ONE other person may remember it being played at the club during those days. (hence me **only** quoting endlesswave).


I dont need to dig, I have a very well-rounded appreciation for many many tracks from "back in the day." I cant say the same for present day.

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby talking about my opinion in one track and comparing it to ALL of the amazing tracks I used to hear is just ridiculous. You automatically assume that, because i put up one track that I happened to have heard TODAY in passerby, that this is an exmaple of all the old trance?? thats just it, ALL the old trance had variation, creativity, and thought put into it, thus not many songs sounded exactly the same like they do today. Please dont make assumptions based on the fact that I overheard a song today, and thought ONE other person may remember it being played at the club during those days. (hence me **only** quoting endlesswave). I dont need to dig, I have a very well-rounded appreciation for many many tracks from "back in the day." I cant say the same for present day.

I think he means digging for good trance that has variety today.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave I think he means digging for good trance that has variety today.

he must be!

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby he must be!

lol, I have to look harder for trance stuff too but it's like nowadays I couldn't be bothered... . Even if I do find something that's amazing it's RARE that they'll get the dj to come that plays that stuff. Hmm.

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Originally posted by SasH21 Music has been shit lately ...house or trance...

That's why now it's all about the TECHNOOOOOO!

Seriously though, there's still good music out there, it's just that there's a lot more total productions being produced and so you have to be a lot more selective. It's like shopping at a little boutique where they have exactly 12 items that are all worth buying, vs. rummaging through the massive bins of crap at Winners or going through 50 pages of results on eBay. The same shit's there, it's just harder to find.

Trance is different though, because even the "quality" items are just following the same formula from 8 years ago. It's like they're still trying to sell us platform shoes and earth tones, not because it's a sham but because they actually believe they're still in fashion.

The ones who really ARE trying something new are the breaks producers. Basically they got tired of whoring themselves out to all of the other EDM genres and decided to start whoring themselves out to all of the non-EDM genres, so it's common to see breaks tracks that incorporate elements of classic breaks, hip hop, trance AND rock, all in the SAME track. The first time I heard that Numb remix, I said, out loud I believe, "Whoa, they actually made this song not suck!"

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby he must be!

I was indeed All piss and vinegar, are we? :P

The idea that:

"ALL the old trance had variation, creativity, and thought put into it, thus not many songs sounded exactly the same like they do today."

is simply not true. There are hundreds of thousands of artists putting out, in many ways, far more creative and brilliant music than anything I heard out of the late 90's. They just get lost in the shuffle of the hoards.

What I meant about digging is that you aren't taking enough responsibility for the music you take in, otherwise you wouldn't be feeling as if everything is bland and commercial. It's all out there, it's always been out there, it just doesn't present itself for all of our listening pleasure

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Originally posted by Elendil I was indeed All piss and vinegar, are we? :P The idea that: "ALL the old trance had variation, creativity, and thought put into it, thus not many songs sounded exactly the same like they do today." is simply not true. There are hundreds of thousands of artists putting out, in many ways, far more creative and brilliant music than anything I heard out of the late 90's. They just get lost in the shuffle of the hoards. What I meant about digging is that you aren't taking enough responsibility for the music you take in, otherwise you wouldn't be feeling as if everything is bland and commercial. It's all out there, it's always been out there, it just doesn't present itself for all of our listening pleasure

very true

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Originally posted by Elendil Want to hear new, different stuff? Go to a site like www.thesixtyone.com and check out the electronic section. All kinds of new music coming out there, which may or may not be what's "Cool at the moment". I find any time I sit in one Genre for too long, it just gets boring. That's obvious. I also find the question "why can't songs be like what they used to be like - creative, original, and inspired!?" painful to hear; I mean - there ARE new things being done, new sounds being explored - but you can't expect it to always work in the standard trance format. These "great original songs" were great and original for the TIME AND PLACE they were released. You could release a HEAP of what is being done today back then, and the result would be the same. It caught you at a new time, a new moment in your life - that time and moment is gone now, and you just don't realize that it's more than the music that has shifted There is plenty of great stuff, listening wise, out there. Unfortunately, this music doesn't make any money, unless you're a big DJ, and being spun in the clubs. What do clubs want? The same old, drinking, money making crowd. You find the same thing in any other club - top 40, hip hop, rock - why would this genre be any different? Do you see fantastic, original, breathtaking movies coming out of Hollywood often? You go to the small guys, the poor guys, to get the goods. If you want a real change to happen, put your money into the small artists you find, the venues that support them, and boom - you initiate change. Otherwise... Go to OTHER places - subculture events, underground parties, etc. People who aren't making any money are taking LOTS of risks. Music is like every other effort in humanity; LOTS of competition, LOTS of good, LOTS of crap, and lots of people asking for the best without really doing much to get it

+1

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Originally posted by DigiNut That's why now it's all about the TECHNOOOOOO

It's always been about Techno! There's enough funky techno to get the Housers swaying and shaking their asses, and there's enough banging Techno with melodies to get the Trancers glowsticking and rubbing each other's back with Vicks.

To me it sounds like you were solely into Trance back in the day, and didn't listen to many other genres of EDM. I could be wrong, but you say that you like Tribal and Techno and some house now. Why not back then? Why not some breaks or DnB? and not now, as in today, but back then? When you throw yourself strictly into any genre..SOLELY...there comes a time when you start to venture off because it all starts sounding the same...and for all the reasons that have been previously mentioned. There's some good trance out there still, I've heard some. But it's few and far in between, because nowadays it's about quantity..and not quality. When you had to fork out $15-20/record as opposed to $1 or download for free, dj's were alot more picky about what they would spend their $$ on.

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Originally posted by Elendil What I meant about digging is that you aren't taking enough responsibility for the music you take in, otherwise you wouldn't be feeling as if everything is bland and commercial. It's all out there, it's always been out there, it just doesn't present itself for all of our listening pleasure

well if we cant HEAR it, doesnt that defeat the purpose?? I cant just be like "oh I still like trance because im GUESSING that there might be some hidden gems out there in which i have not heard, nor probably will ever hear....or I have so spend hours upon hours searching for." and who has the time for that??

My point is, I used to be able to listen to a set or come to a club and hear sets that were good to amazing the entire way through. Now, and it seems most of you agree, one must spend an absurd amount of time waiting for a good track to come along. Id rather not waste my time sifting thru shit to find a diamond....especially when I could be doing something more worth my while.


and there is my complaint. We are agreeing in a sense and disagreeing in another sense.

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Originally posted by yankeeBaby well if we cant HEAR it, doesnt that defeat the purpose?? I cant just be like "oh I still like trance because im GUESSING that there might be some hidden gems out there in which i have not heard, nor probably will ever hear....or I have so spend hours upon hours searching for." and who has the time for that?? My point is, I used to be able to listen to a set or come to a club and hear sets that were good to amazing the entire way through. Now, and it seems most of you agree, one must spend an absurd amount of time waiting for a good track to come along. Id rather not waste my time sifting thru shit to find a diamond....especially when I could be doing something more worth my while. and there is my complaint. We are agreeing in a sense and disagreeing in another sense.

I think it's more the dj that combines all that stuff that's harder to find that plays quality imo instead of just the single tracks, it's why they're not "out there and easy to find" etc.

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