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If you have never owned a Virus or bothered to sit down for a good period of time and figure out what it is capable of you have no argument. Period.

Here is a list of people that have used or STILL use the Virus in one or more of their tracks... But I guess they are all tripping balls right?

United States

Bill Hamel
BT
Butch Vig (Garbage)
Celine Dion ("I'm sorry for love", "a new day has come")
Charlie Clouser
Cirrus
Chris Vrenna (Tweeker, Nine Inch Nails)
Crystal Method
Deftones
Dean Coleman
Deep Dish
DJ Angel
DJ John 00 Flemming
Dr. Dre
Duane Buford (Ministry)
Eric Persing (Spectrasonics)
Front Line Assembly
Glen Ballard (Aerosmith, Christina Aguilera, Anastacia, Shakira, Backstreet Boys)
Jason Nevins (Run DMC Its Like That remix)
Jeff Bova (Eric Clapton, Billy Joel, Celine Dion)
John Van Tongren (Al Jarreau, Roger Daltrey, Outer limits TV series)
Junior Vazquez
Kipper (Sting band)
Linkin Park
Limp Bizkit
Lou Reed
Lroc (Lil Jon, Usher)
Matt Fink (Prince)
Mark Vinten (Lil Jon, Usher, Method Man, NAS, New Edition, 50 Cent)
Mike Becker
Monolithic (Matrix reloaded movie trailer)
Neptunes (Britney Spears, TLC, Usher, N'Sync, Janet jackson, Busta Rhymes, Mary J Blige)
Nine Inch Nails
No Doubt
Paul White
Richard Barbieri (Japan, Japan, Rain Tree Crow and Porcupine Tree)
Rob Arbittier (Stevie Wonder, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson)
Sasha
Skinny Puppy
Stakka
Steve Porcaro (Toto, Yes, Michael Jackson, Quincy Jones)
Stevie Wonder
Tom Salta (Atlas Plug, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 1 & 2, Red Steel)
Tool
Uberzone
Willie Wilcox

Film Composers

Adam Barber
Amotz Plessner
Andrea Morricone
Chris Lennertz
Cliff Martinez
Danny Elfman
David Arnold
Drew Neuman
Gary Chang
Greg Edmonson
Hans Zimmer
Harry Gregson Williams
Klaus Badelt
James Newton Howard
John Kaene
John Powell
Mark Isham
Mark Leggett
Mark Mancina
Peter Manning Robinson
Richard Gibbs

United Kingdom

Above & Beyond
Adam F.
Andy Gray
Anjunabeats/Dirt Devils
Brendan Perry (Dead Can Dance)
Chemical Brothers
Cosmosis
Craig David
Criterion
Daniel Bedingfield
Darkwater
Dean Coleman
Deep Dish
Depeche Mode
Dido
Eidos Games
Faithless
Fatboy Slim
Fisher Lane Farm
Fluke
Future Sound of London
Gareth Jones
Gary Numan
Howard Jones
Joey Negro
Leftfield
London Electricity
Marius de Vries (Mel C, Bj�rk, Moulin Rouge Soundtrack)
Martin Gore
Matrix
Massive Attack
MESH
Moloko
Optical
Orbital
Paul Oakenfold
Pet Shop Boys
Phats & Small
PWL
Radiohead
Rodney Orpheus (Cassandra Complex)
Rose and Foster (S Club, S Club Juniors, Toploader)
Scissor Sisters
Sisters Of Mercy
Sugababes
Sophie Ellis Baxter ("Music Gets the Best of Me")
Steve Power (Eternity, Robie Williams, Tom Jones)
Talvin Singh
The Prodigy
Theme
Thomas Dolby
Tim Deluxe ("It just won't do")
Timberland
Tinrib
Trouble on Vinyl
Underworld
VNV Nation

Rest of the world

Rita Mitsouko (France)
Deise Mikhail / Red Fish (France)
Catherine Lara (France)
Daddy DJ (France)
Louis Cheddid (France)
Boucles �tranges (France)
Gr�gory Hot (Hands, Gregfingers, France)
Geddy Lee (Canada)
Jean Michel Jarre (France)
Absolum (France)
High Level Static (Greece)
XerXer (Greece)
Astral Projection (Israel)
Fabry Simoncioni / Ligabue (Italy)
The Smoke Keepers (Italy)
Jason (Italy)
MAS collective (Italy)
Rino Cerrone (Italy)
Boom Boom Satellites (Japan)
Shin Murayama (Japan)
Tetsuya Komuro (Japan)
T.A.T.U (Russia)
G.M.S. (Ibiza, Spain)
PLEJ (Sweden)
Single Gun Theory (Australia)
Thirsty Merc (Australia)
.G.A (Austria)
Engelspost (Peter Gabriel Remixers, Switzerland)
Gianfranco Carone (Italy)
Venetian Snares (Canada)


Germany

�rzte
ATB
Brooklyn Bounce
DJ Sammy
Fantastische Vier
Gerdshow
Goethes Erben
Helmut Zerlett
Illuminate
Jam and Spoon
Jos� Alvarez-Brill (Witt, Wolfsheim, De/Vision, Nocomment)
Jesusonextasy
Kai Tracid
Klaus Schulze
Luna
Moguai
Mouse on Mars
Paul Van Dyk
Phil Fuldner
Raemonn
Rauschfaktor
Scooter
Seeed
Skorbut
Snap
Tobi Neumann (Producer Mrs Kittin, Chicks On Speed)
Turntable Rockers
Xavier Naidoo

Benelux

Armin van Buuren
Ti�sto
Harry Lemon (lemon8)
Ian van Dahl
Jade 4 U
Johan van Roy (Suicide commando)
Lasgo
Lords of Acid
MC Pee
Novastar
Perrongeluk (Eric Davidts)
Soutside Spinners
Supersub (Marc Driessen)
The Creamteam

Scandinavia

Aalto
Bomfunk Mc�s
Dallas Superstars
Darude
HIM
Icon Of Coil
In Vein
Super8
Trentem�ller
Bugge Wesseltoft

Poland

Bodek Pezda (Aggressiva 69)
Drimsztajn
Janusz Grzywacz
Kazik
Krzysztof Banasik (Kult)
Kuba Badach (Ewa Bem, Polucjanci)
Marc B (Ich Troje)
Marek Koscikiewicz (DeMono)
Robert Kanaan
Pawel "Bzim" Zarecki (Anna Maria Jopek, Pat Metheny)
Pawe� Betley (Ztudio)
Piotr Bidiuk (Cugowscy)
Piotr Figiel
Piotr Kokosinski (Post Meridian Productions)
Piotr Nazaruk
Piotr Nazaruk (De Mono, Trzecia Godzina Dnia, Szansa na Sukces)
Piotr Siejka (Natalia Kukulska)
Sweet Noise
TLove
Witold Karolak
Wladyslaw "Gudonis" Komendarek

India

Amar Mohile
Dhruv Ghanekar and Ashutosh Pathak
Ehsaan Noorani
Farhad Wadia
Leslie Leiws
Pritesh Mehta
Ricky D'costa
Sunny Singh
Vicky Goswami
Vishal Dadlani
Zubin

Hey - why isn't my name on that list?!

I know more peeople who follow christianity, it doesn't make them right.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 I know more peeople who follow christianity, it doesn't make them right.

Theres no right or wrong... But if some of the greatest producers in the world STILL use it, it doesn't make it a pile of shit. It does the exact opposite.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Well, you have Subtractive, Addative, Granular, Sampler, PM, FM, wavetable, phsyical mod. To name a few. Subtractive and "a bit of FM" don't really cover the spctrum. The typs of sounds made with each synthesis type are pretty much night and day.

the virus has all of those besides sampler and physical mod whatever that is. also, FM is a form a additive synthesis, as is wavetable/granular.

Granular is not a form of additive synthesis, and while FM technically is, an FM synth has a very different architecture than an additive synth.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 I know more peeople who follow christianity, it doesn't make them right.

i havent owned one(this will change soon lol).. so i cant argue either way. i have just HEARD they're good.

but crono you never answered. have you ever owned a virus ti ? or any virus?

It's all subjective. I've heard comments about the Virus ranging from being nothing but a lifeless VST in a shiny box to the only synth they ever use and that they've threw all their VSTs in the bin.

Who are you supposed to believe ?

Neither I'd say. Make your own mind up. All I know is, some awesome tracks have been made using a Virus whether it's just a VST in a box or not.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 I know more peeople who follow christianity, it doesn't make them right.

wow finaly i agree with you!

its like sidechaining; everyone does it but does it sound good? NO!

and to the guy talking about owning a virus etc etc, yes i owned one. i liked microQ better. and nord lead 3 more than that, and nord lead 2x better than that again. and then u have analogs which i have never tried but i know they are better.

to conclude; a virus is only better that JP8080 (not even always, the JP have great pads).

im buying a virus tomorrow lol..

serious.. fair expensive tho.. 4500$$ au

but i think its worth it

oi john, tell me what you want i get it for you in the states seriously save you some money god damm thats alot to spend

plenty of older models here in the states bud half or less that amount!

I just picked up a novation a station for 170US which is cheap considering what you would pay for that in Australia.

narr man i dont mind paying it you get warranties and all that.. i will claim it on tax anyways

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Originally posted by johncannons1 narr man i dont mind paying it you get warranties and all that.. i will claim it on tax anyways

thats cool i just pm'd you as well. what model you gona get TI2

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Granular is not a form of additive synthesis, and while FM technically is, an FM synth has a very different architecture than an additive synth.

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Granular synthesis is a basic sound synthesis method that operates on the microsound time scale. It is often based on the same principles as sampling but often includes analog technology. The samples are not used directly however, they are split in small pieces of around 1 to 50 ms in length, or the synthesized sounds are very short. These small pieces are called grains. Multiple grains may be layered on top of each other

Granular is technically additive synthesis also. An organ is technically additive synthesis.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja Granular is technically additive synthesis also.

"Layering" doesn't automatically mean "additive synthesis."

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An organ is technically additive synthesis.

Of course.

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Originally posted by Energy_3 oi john, tell me what you want i get it for you in the states seriously save you some money god damm thats alot to spend plenty of older models here in the states bud half or less that amount! I just picked up a novation a station for 170US which is cheap considering what you would pay for that in Australia.

oh lets see, i'll send you a pm as soon as i put it up

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Originally posted by johncannons1 narr man i dont mind paying it you get warranties and all that.. i will claim it on tax anyways

do what energy said mate, you'll be saving at least 4-500 hundred.. it's what i did (but got mine from novamusik.com)...

had to pay shipping tax which was bullshit... if energy will send it to you... DO IT!

pretty sure warranty still applies, or if it messes up you could just send it back to energy and he could apply for it lol...

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles "Layering" doesn't automatically mean "additive synthesis."

I think it does.. do you not consider the human voice to be subtractive synthesis either? Most people do.

LMFAO at some of the responses in this thread. Where can I get some of the meth being smoked here?

It's pretty clear who here has actually used a Virus. Some may not feel it's worth the price tag, but believe me if you have one sitting on your desk you'll likely use little other than it.

Yes VSTs blah blah are great blah blah. FFS I use Ableton and a lot of my sounds come from an Operator-driven instrument rack, but that said, when it's time for the real meat and potatoes you look to the Virus; otherwise you're just sending a boy, or perhaps a barely-post-pubescent adolescent to do a man's job.

The virus is capable of sounds that I guarantee you, nor anyone else has heard in their entire lives. Those sounds may not necessarily work in a trance production, but to claim that there's some sort of "virus sound" that you can immediately recognize is a down-right idiotic thing to say. Perhaps you can immediately recognize the over-used Manuel Schleiss rom bank instantly, but if you think that's all this beast is good for then you're clueless.

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh believe me if you have one sitting on your desk you'll likely use little other than it.

Well you'd hardly spend all that money on something and just leave it sitting there gathering dust would you?
I think thats maybe one of the reasons people get good sounds out of it. Theyve spent a lot of dosh on it so they stick with it and are determined to learn it and make good sounds with it.
Whereas a VST instrument can be had a lot cheaper and forgotten about it when the next new thing comes along.

i dont like virus, theres nothing more to discuss.
if others like it then good for them.

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Originally posted by mysticalninja I think it does.. do you not consider the human voice to be subtractive synthesis either? Most people do.

"Additive synthesis" connotes using simple waveforms in a specified mathematical relation to a fundamental frequency to build up a more complex sound, not simply throwing random sounds on top of each other. I guess you can consider any layering to be "additive synthesis" in a crude sense, though. I don't consider granular to be mainly additive because the unique sonic character of granular synth sounds results from the stretching, condensing, frequency shifting, etc. of the grains, not from simple layering.

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh LMFAO at some of the responses in this thread. Where can I get some of the meth being smoked here? It's pretty clear who here has actually used a Virus. Some may not feel it's worth the price tag, but believe me if you have one sitting on your desk you'll likely use little other than it. Yes VSTs blah blah are great blah blah. FFS I use Ableton and a lot of my sounds come from an Operator-driven instrument rack, but that said, when it's time for the real meat and potatoes you look to the Virus; otherwise you're just sending a boy, or perhaps a barely-post-pubescent adolescent to do a man's job. The virus is capable of sounds that I guarantee you, nor anyone else has heard in their entire lives. Those sounds may not necessarily work in a trance production, but to claim that there's some sort of "virus sound" that you can immediately recognize is a down-right idiotic thing to say. Perhaps you can immediately recognize the over-used Manuel Schleiss rom bank instantly, but if you think that's all this beast is good for then you're clueless.

I laughed. I use my virus mainly as a master keyboard and barely anything else rofl. I disagree with just about everything you say . I don't think the virus is that special. It's a fun thing to have though.

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Originally posted by Sean Walsh It's pretty clear who here has actually used a Virus. Some may not feel it's worth the price tag, but believe me if you have one sitting on your desk you'll likely use little other than it.

It's pretty clear who used to use softsynths, then saved up their money and only got one decent hardware synth.

I love my Virus KC, it does get a lot of use, but so does my NL3, SN2, JP8080, Pulse, and so on. I use whichever synth will give me the sound I'm looking for.

Even if you do have a studio full of great synths (hardware and software), just because you rarely use the other synths doesn't mean the Virus is even usable for a given other producer. No synth is going to please everyone who tries it.

No Virus can make the Roland TB-303 sound...I know a VSTi that can. VSTi are better than virus.

Its simple logic really.

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