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yeah, Goebbels is awesome.

i have this.



im the fucking king.

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Originally posted by Big Worm "only the shallow know themselves."

That is such a crock.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles winston, I love Hofstadter and G�del as well.

liberation by M.C Escher


But I was lucky because if I'd grown up in Chile, I would be something very normal, like an engineer. I would've taken the normal, academic route. In South America, you either go academic, studying a particular subject, or you have to work. There's no in-between. In Europe, the possibilities are much bigger � you have the possibility to find alternative ways of life, to earn a living with music or whatever art you want.

So growing up I was surrounded by mathematics and music, which are quite similar. Music is like the mathematics of feelings. There is a certain connection between the two.

Ricardo Villalobos

Whoever said nerds > geeks is so right. Geeks sometimes smell funny.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On winston_ashley. It all makes sense now.

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Originally posted by Meat187 Further proof that people who consider themselves to be intelligent are usually pretty stupid.

This is something I was thinking about earlier today... I work in two different places right now, and in both places, there are two ladies that have a very strange thing in common: one loathes the other, and one thinks she's exactly what the other is.

For example, in one place, there's this woman that thinks she's the epitome of femininity and class, though she's far from that. And, she doesn't get along with this other woman who she considers to be "a peasant" - and that happens to be both feminine and classy.

In the other place, there's a woman that thinks she's a myth (I'm serious), and reckons all students should worship her because she's the brightest person around ever. It turns out, however, that the "bimbo" she disdains the most is, by far, the most clever (and passionate) person we know, whereas the so-called myth just suffers from a pathetic delusion of grandeur.

Makes you think...

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Originally posted by Lira This is something I was thinking about earlier today... I work in two different places right now, and in both places, there are two ladies that have a very strange thing in common: one loathes the other, and one thinks she's exactly what the other is. For example, in one place, there's this woman that thinks she's the epitome of femininity and class, though she's far from that. And, she doesn't get along with this other woman who she considers to be "a peasant" - and that happens to be both feminine and classy. In the other place, there's a woman that thinks she's a myth (I'm serious), and reckons all students should worship her because she's the brightest person around ever. It turns out, however, that the "bimbo" she disdains the most is, by far, the most clever (and passionate) person we know, whereas the so-called myth just suffers from a pathetic delusion of grandeur. Makes you think...

It's pretty common for people to ridicule their opposites or people they'd like to be but can't, so it's kind of a protection mechanism that helps preserve ones self esteem, I think.

I know only a handful of people I'd consider really intelligent and they are never the ones to brag about it. On the other hand I've met many of those who constantly tell you about their good grades and how much their boss thinks of them and how they're far more clever that anybody who isn't currently in the room, etc. My standard response to this is always "Hiking Mount Ego again?".

Intelligent people are praised by others, "Intelligent people" praise themselves.

That is the most concise way I can put it.

Arbiter is a perfect example. Many posters think he's intelligent (I've seen him complimented endlessly during the years I've been here) but he never toots his own horn. If he does, it's probably in jest; but I've never seen him do that. Everything he posts speaks for itself.

Lira is another great example. winston is not.

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Originally posted by Meat187 My standard response to this is always "Hiking Mount Ego again?".

The opposite might just be as pernicious, though, if not more. I know plenty of pretty <insert positive adjective here> people that are extremely insecure... and it end ups being quite a problem. A very knowledgeable professor in my department died a couple of years ago, and she never wrote anything out of insecurity (she was friends with my fiancée, and often talked about it). She had a PhD and an amazing library, yet she never managed to overcome her fears and insecurities

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Originally posted by jennypie That is such a crock.

O rly?

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Originally posted by Lira The opposite might just be as pernicious, though, if not more. I know plenty of pretty <insert positive adjective here> people that are extremely insecure... and it end ups being quite a problem. A very knowledgeable professor in my department died a couple of years ago, and she never wrote anything out of insecurity (she was friends with my fiancée, and often talked about it). She had a PhD and an amazing library, yet she never managed to overcome her fears and insecurities

The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. � Bertrand Russell

I'm a baby. Look at my baby butt.

Tee-hee!

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Originally posted by jennypie They all start off the same way, lol.

As another former student of THE University I think you should give Winston a break. They really fuck with your head there.

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Originally posted by winston intelligence is attainable by all, and it requires for us to question why we do what we do; to act mechanically while at the same time, using our consciousness to understand our decisions and why we do what we do.

I think you're confusing knowledge with intelligence. Knowledge is obtainable by all. Unless of course you have Alzheimer's.

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Originally posted by Domesticated I think you're confusing knowledge with intelligence. Knowledge is obtainable by all. Unless of course you have Alzheimer's.

I think intelligence is obtainable by all.. provided you start young enough.

If you make the decision before the age of say 10 to strive to be intelligent.. and start reading books, being inquisitive about the world, trying to understand math/formal logic, and develop problem-solving skills you're guaranteed to grow up to be reasonably intelligent.

Unfortunately most people are not taught to value intelligence as children.. or simply never make the choice to cultivate it.

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Originally posted by astroboy I think intelligence is obtainable by all.. provided you start young enough. If you make the decision before the age of say 10 to strive to be intelligent.. and start reading books, being inquisitive about the world, trying to understand math/formal logic, and develop problem-solving skills you're guaranteed to grow up to be reasonably intelligent. Unfortunately most people are not taught to value intelligence as children.. or simply never make the choice to cultivate it.

I believe a person's intrinsic intelligence can be nurtured to a certain limit, and that for some people that limit is depressingly low.

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Originally posted by Domesticated I believe a person's intrinsic intelligence can be nurtured to a certain limit, and that for some people that limit is depressingly low.

This.

I used to be of the opinion that people could increase their intelligence indefinitely. But many people truly are incapable of learning.

The ability to learn, to me, is the ultimate measure of intelligence. You can have an incredibly intelligent person who doesn't know many things, but as soon as you start giving them information, they will soak it up like a sponge, understand, and apply it.

On the flip side, you can have an incredibly stupid person who knows many things. But all that information and it's useless to them. They do not understand the significance of the information, and are therefore, unable to apply it.

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Originally posted by Spam The ability to learn, to me, is the ultimate measure of intelligence. You can have an incredibly intelligent person who doesn't know many things, but as soon as you start giving them information, they will soak it up like a sponge, understand, and apply it.

I only agree with this partially. I think true intelligence is the ability to work things out for yourself without any prior information or examples. Or, given information, the ability to apply it in a more efficient or effective way.

Most of us can do simple algebra when the concept is explained to us at school, but the really intelligent people work those kinds of things out for themselves because it just seems logical, natural and easy.

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Originally posted by Domesticated I only agree with this partially. I think true intelligence is the ability to work things out for yourself without any prior information or examples. Or, given information, the ability to apply it in a more efficient or effective way. Most of us can do simple algebra when the concept is explained to us at school, but the really intelligent people work those kinds of things out for themselves because it just seems logical, natural and easy.

That is exactly why I don't study for tests. Someone somewhere worked it out with all of the tools I'm using and since I've looked it over once or twice before there isn't a need. If some other asshat figured it out so can I.

Too bad I'm no Ramanujan.

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Originally posted by Domesticated I only agree with this partially. I think true intelligence is the ability to work things out for yourself without any prior information or examples. Or, given information, the ability to apply it in a more efficient or effective way. Most of us can do simple algebra when the concept is explained to us at school, but the really intelligent people work those kinds of things out for themselves because it just seems logical, natural and easy.

Thank you for expanding on my thought. I agree completely.

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Originally posted by astroboy I think intelligence is obtainable by all.. Unfortunately most people are not taught to value intelligence as children.. or simply never make the choice to cultivate it.

I don't think is just true of children. I know plenty of people who I can tell are smart, but they're happy to slum intellectually. They don't want to learn, to ask questions, to show interest. That in itself is the biggest stupidity, regardless of their faculties or potential.

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Originally posted by astroboy I think intelligence is obtainable by all.. provided you start young enough. If you make the decision before the age of say 10 to strive to be intelligent.. and start reading books, being inquisitive about the world, trying to understand math/formal logic, and develop problem-solving skills you're guaranteed to grow up to be reasonably intelligent. Unfortunately most people are not taught to value intelligence as children.. or simply never make the choice to cultivate it.

Actually, we need to define first what we understand by intelligence first. According to Wikipedia, the guy that came up with the IQ test said that intelligence is "Judgment, otherwise called good sense, practical sense, initiative, the faculty of adapting one's self to circumstances...auto-critique."

Now, I'm clumsy, extremely impractical, and quite forgetful, to say the least. People that grew up in rural areas, apparently, also think I'm "slow". Yet, I fare very well in IQ tests in general. How so? Are they measuring anything relevant? Isn't intelligence too broad a term?

I'm sure Daniel Goleman can come up with a whole series on random intelligences

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