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Originally posted by lenazi thanks for proving my point for me. why would you keep needing to buy more if they didn't break? pioneers break too, but are not as bad. I speak from knowing many that cheaped out on denon only for it to cost more in the long run.

gear junkie syndrome?

Ive bought a few denon cd decks over the years, I get bored, then buy something new. Even happened with pioneer. Throughout all my time of buying denon gear, I've never once had an issue.

Aside from this, for the cost of what a new 900/2000 would go for...i'd get a denon deck, same features for the most part. Now only if denon could stop making cd decks with spinning platters with the ability to scratch.

he said he had no problems with any of them though so he didnt actually prove your point at all. more the opposite. when it comes to pioneer, ive had cdj100, cdj500, cdj500mk2, cdj800 and have played abit on cdj1000. all of those have had problems with the platter. when looking at a pair of one model, never once have i found the platter to act the same on both after a few years of usage. denon have problems to, in general the cue-buttons wear out so their not perfect at all after time those either. im getting the HD2500 anyway though.

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Originally posted by Clovis Probably none that you care about but every single name touring Europe is, most DJ who I consider to be of some value. The holdouts still only playing vinyl/cd are becoming more rare. I'm not talking about the DJ list.

LOL nice one, grouping me with other trance djs thinking I don't listen to anything else. Nice generalization (untrue btw).

Traktor and Serato are still the future and not the present. There are very few big name djs in ANY genre that have accepted it at this point.

I still don't see any names btw!

i'm not even going by who i like but these are pretty big names using dvs.

digweed
cox
loco dice
fanciulli
josh wink
Chris Liebing
nick warren
carl craig
magda
lawler
luciano


there are tons more but i won't bother listing them. These guys all play huge festivals on a regular basis.

as far as denon, you won't convince me that they are anything but an inferior product. I use pitch sliders so the platter thing is moot, but i stand by my view.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Traktor and Serato are still the future and not the present. There are very few big name djs in ANY genre that have accepted it at this point.

Please please stop talking a load of shit.

DVS has been in the fast lane a long long time now and is huge NOW.. I've been to two festivals in the last 3 weeks and trust me from lawler in the afternoon, through to hawtin and dubfire in the late afternoon through to Sasha and Digweed and Darren Emerson (had a Fader fox on him as well) They're all using DVS systems. (Sasha would probably have ableton running as well I don't know I don't care)

I do know there's a bang of bullshit coming off you.

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Originally posted by Marcus007 the cdj 900 is priced at 999$ not 1500!!!

source?

Perhaps those guys are using DVS's NOW.

BUT... they all all big enough names to get whatever they want based on their riders. I'm sure most of those guys are using DVS's because burning and sorting CD's is a total bitch. The current CDJ's also SUCK at cue and loop management (can't sync the cards, etc.).

These new CDJ-2000's will likely make some of these guys rethink Serato and TSP. Plus, how many of them will be doing sponsorship deals....

As a local DJ myself, I'd SO leave my laptop and home and bring some USB sticks if I knew a venue had these decks. Setting up and tearing down a DVS isn't horribly hard, but at 6am I don't want to be doing it.

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Originally posted by lenazi i'm not even going by who i like but these are pretty big names using dvs. digweed cox loco dice fanciulli josh wink Chris Liebing nick warren carl craig magda lawler luciano there are tons more but i won't bother listing them. These guys all play huge festivals on a regular basis. as far as denon, you won't convince me that they are anything but an inferior product. I use pitch sliders so the platter thing is moot, but i stand by my view.

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Originally posted by n3lly Please please stop talking a load of shit. DVS has been in the fast lane a long long time now and is huge NOW.. I've been to two festivals in the last 3 weeks and trust me from lawler in the afternoon, through to hawtin and dubfire in the late afternoon through to Sasha and Digweed and Darren Emerson (had a Fader fox on him as well) They're all using DVS systems. (Sasha would probably have ableton running as well I don't know I don't care) I do know there's a bang of bullshit coming off you.

Haaaater in the house! That'd be you

While there are djs who use dvs consistently Clovis said "basically all touring djs in europe". That statement is what I was calling out because it's 100% false.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Perhaps those guys are using DVS's NOW. BUT... they all all big enough names to get whatever they want based on their riders.

You basically get a rider as soon as you get a booking agent.

Here's some more artists using it

Dyed Soundorom
Seuil
Shaun Reeves
Seth Troxler
Barem
Shonky
Dinky
Jamie Jones
Clive Henry
Steve Bug
Troy Pierce
Konrad Black
Lee Curtiss
Matthew Dear
Kate Simko
Camea
Ryan Elliot


etc..

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Haaaater in the house! That'd be you While there are djs who use dvs consistently Clovis said "basically all touring djs in europe". That statement is what I was calling out because it's 100% false.

On it's face yes, it is false, it's probably more like half of ALL touring DJs in europe in every genre.

As far as the dance music scene I am concerned with, the majority of DJs have gone that route.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 LOL nice one, grouping me with other trance djs thinking I don't listen to anything else. Nice generalization (untrue btw).

All I meant was that you probably are not familiar with them. I was making no observations on whatever your music taste may be since I have no idea.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Perhaps those guys are using DVS's NOW. BUT... they all all big enough names to get whatever they want based on their riders. I'm sure most of those guys are using DVS's because burning and sorting CD's is a total bitch. The current CDJ's also SUCK at cue and loop management (can't sync the cards, etc.). These new CDJ-2000's will likely make some of these guys rethink Serato and TSP. Plus, how many of them will be doing sponsorship deals.... As a local DJ myself, I'd SO leave my laptop and home and bring some USB sticks if I knew a venue had these decks. Setting up and tearing down a DVS isn't horribly hard, but at 6am I don't want to be doing it.

Exactly.

The main reason I use a DVS is for track management, not all the extra features. It was a bitch burning CDs back in the day. Pioneer took care of that aspect in these new players. Pretty cool.

The Pioneer Rep just posted this on another forum to a user who said it was $5000 for 2 CDJ's & A Mixer.

"$5000? Either you missed the bit about MAP pricing (which is what you'll pay on the street), or you're really bad at math. Try $1699 per player."

I wouldn't buy it even if i had the money.

If I can buy a pair for $3200 I'll snag them right away and sell my 1000's

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 And these WILL sell well. They will be overpriced at first and then come down; it's basic economics. They know there are people that will buy them whatever the price so they'll keep them high until their sales start to drop from all of those guys already picking up theirs then they'll drift down to the masses that won't overpay for them.

Here's the thing. I can go out and get a fully fledged DVS system for around $1,000. Let's say you spend 400 on the tables and 600 on the DVS. It could be a little more or a little less but it's around that ballpark. I'm not counting the laptop because you should have one already, and the pioneer has software as well.

Based on this it is my opinion that Pioneer could drop the price down to $500 and they still wouldn't be worth it. Why should I pay such a premium just to have a few less chords, and no computer? The DVS system is almost 1/4 the cost, and it has more features. The CDJs were already overpriced, and I think it's a major reason behind why DVS became so popular. They have simply compounded their problem.

Plus you also have to factor in what the rest of the market will do in response. We have this whole Serato + Ableton thing, and who knows what else they'll come up with. Maybe they'll sell ok, but if this is all Pioneer can do I really don't see these things sticking around for long.

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Originally posted by Clovis On it's face yes, it is false, it's probably more like half of ALL touring DJs in europe in every genre. As far as the dance music scene I am concerned with, the majority of DJs have gone that route.

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Originally posted by Clovis All I meant was that you probably are not familiar with them. I was making no observations on whatever your music taste may be since I have no idea.

Fair enough.

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Originally posted by DjWoody The Pioneer Rep just posted this on another forum to a user who said it was $5000 for 2 CDJ's & A Mixer. "$5000? Either you missed the bit about MAP pricing (which is what you'll pay on the street), or you're really bad at math. Try $1699 per player."

If that's the case wow that's awesome! The cdj 1000's were priced at 1500 a month ago. I bought mine a year ago and actually made a profit on them selling a year later!

Come to papa 2k's!

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Originally posted by TWD Here's the thing. I can go out and get a fully fledged DVS system for around $1,000. Let's say you spend 400 on the tables and 600 on the DVS. It could be a little more or a little less but it's around that ballpark. I'm not counting the laptop because you should have one already, and the pioneer has software as well. Based on this it is my opinion that Pioneer could drop the price down to $500 and they still wouldn't be worth it. Why should I pay such a premium just to have a few less chords, and no computer? The DVS system is almost 1/4 the cost, and it has more features. The CDJs were already overpriced, and I think it's a major reason behind why DVS became so popular. They have simply compounded their problem. Plus you also have to factor in what the rest of the market will do in response. We have this whole Serato + Ableton thing, and who knows what else they'll come up with. Maybe they'll sell ok, but if this is all Pioneer can do I really don't see these things sticking around for long.

Here's the thing, at least with TSP which is the market leader; stability is shat on everything except MBP's and even then there are still problems from time to time.

These are aimed at the professionals and aspiring professionals who want the laptop aspect without the hassle of a laptop and the possible problems that come with it. I mean how awesome would it be to just bring thumb drives and your headphones to the club?! To now see the waveform easily and manage a huge collection of music in seconds. And now the looping has caught up with TP for the most part as well.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Here's the thing, at least with TSP which is the market leader; stability is shat on everything except MBP's and even then there are still problems from time to time. These are aimed at the professionals and aspiring professionals who want the laptop aspect without the hassle of a laptop and the possible problems that come with it. I mean how awesome would it be to just bring thumb drives and your headphones to the club?! To now see the waveform easily and manage a huge collection of music in seconds. And now the looping has caught up with TP for the most part as well.

The major advantage for me with using a laptop is that my entire music library is at my fingertips. I know they make pretty big thumb drives now, but constantly updating it and moving music onto them is annoying, I currently do that when playing b2b with someone else using a laptop and scratch, or plug in another hard drive.

With the laptop I have all my itunes playlists right there, I can quickly make playlists for certain settings or gigs. The laptop always has the most up to date music I have received on it.

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Originally posted by snatonsb If I can buy a pair for $3200 I'll snag them right away and sell my 1000's

Yeah why not, but i like dvs way to much.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 Here's the thing, at least with TSP which is the market leader; stability is shat on everything except MBP's and even then there are still problems from time to time. These are aimed at the professionals and aspiring professionals who want the laptop aspect without the hassle of a laptop and the possible problems that come with it. I mean how awesome would it be to just bring thumb drives and your headphones to the club?! To now see the waveform easily and manage a huge collection of music in seconds. And now the looping has caught up with TP for the most part as well.

I just have to call this one absolute BS. The quality of Traktor may be questionable to some, but you can't just cherry pick products. You know full well that Serato is 100% stable, and while I don't know sales figures and so forth I'm sure you also know full well that it's questionable to call Traktor the market leader over Serato.

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Originally posted by Clovis The major advantage for me with using a laptop is that my entire music library is at my fingertips. I know they make pretty big thumb drives now, but constantly updating it and moving music onto them is annoying, I currently do that when playing b2b with someone else using a laptop and scratch, or plug in another hard drive. With the laptop I have all my itunes playlists right there, I can quickly make playlists for certain settings or gigs. The laptop always has the most up to date music I have received on it.

I completely agree man. I dumped my cdj1000's for traktor there were too many advantages imo. But the tactile feel of playing on cdjs will always be more fun to me. So the fact they're combining the best of both worlds is what's selling me. And even if i'm not impressed with the actual cdj2000's they natively control TSP! It's like a win win. Either I dump TSP for the new features and variety of media types that can be used or if it's a dud then I can still use dvs with it albeit much easier than before.

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Originally posted by TWD I just have to call this one absolute BS. The quality of Traktor may be questionable to some, but you can't just cherry pick products. You know full well that Serato is 100% stable, and while I don't know sales figures and so forth I'm sure you also know full well that it's questionable to call Traktor the market leader over Serato.

Did I say anything about quality? I said STABILITY & COMPATIBILITY. And Serato is known to have random stability issues as well.

And TSP IS the leader when it comes to sales figures.

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 I completely agree man. I dumped my cdj1000's for traktor there were too many advantages imo. But the tactile feel of playing on cdjs will always be more fun to me. So the fact they're combining the best of both worlds is what's selling me. And even if i'm not impressed with the actual cdj2000's they natively control TSP! It's like a win win. Either I dump TSP for the new features and variety of media types that can be used or if it's a dud then I can still use dvs with it albeit much easier than before.

You don't use control CDs?

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