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A dead person has no quality of life.

Although I guess that can be better than having negative quality of life.

Yeah exactly.

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Originally posted by Stef I guess this goes out to mostly the USA TAs but i was wondering what everyone thought. "The term "right to die" refers to various issues related to the decision of whether an individual who could continue to live with the aid of life support, or in a diminished or enfeebled capacity, should be allowed to die. In some cases, it refers to the idea that a person with a terminal illness and in serious condition should be allowed to commit suicide before death would otherwise occur. The concept is often referred to as dying with dignity. The question of who�if anyone�should be empowered to make these decisions is often central to the debate." So does Ta believe in the right to die?

I can continue to live with the "life support," of oxygen and food. Should I be devoid of such needs; i'd die right?

Well you see; nature does this for us; and it doesn't fucking give one shit of a fuck; if we want to die or not; Eventually you will not get enough oxygen or food depending on the natural environment. That means if the person in question cannot feed themselves or inhale the atmosphere they will die.

So naturally you gonna fucking die. That means our right to die is governed and given to us by nature. It is also in our nature that we will die physically. Furthermore the decisions have ultimately been left to the wheel works of time and the ability for nature to decay the living into the dead.

Here we are thinking some human ultimately makes the decision? Neh, the decisions that will be made do not depend upon the humans ability to turn off a switch, but it will be natures ability to turn off the atmosphere and destroy all plant life as we know it. Then we will experience natures true power of giving everyone their, "Right to die."

So I say, Die with dignity and keep fighting against the death itself because where we are is fragile. We do not control life nor do we control death. To think that we ultimately do; is an illusion.

P.S. That is why I think life and health insurance is a fucking scam to take people's money. Humans will believe anything. Humans believe, and they buy into it. Just like they buy into health insurance and life insurance.

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Originally posted by palm its for the families you idiot.

yeah; why do the family members get lots of money when you die? R u really gonna put a price on your head; if so have you looked into the assassination business these days and how that plays a roll in insurance scams?

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Originally posted by Slylee now YOU'RE missing the point...which is the right to not letting other people decide what you should do with your life and body. have you ever watched someone suffer from cancer or a horrible mental illness like manic depression where they can't even hold a fucking job or a conversation with their loved ones or even get out of bed to go smell the fresh air?

Sigh. You're obviously too upset over your own experiences with this issue to actually debate it properly.

I can't really be bothered to reiterate my whole argument a third time, so I'll just say this: you would do well to realize that giving the common person the power to end a human life will have severe and widespread consequences for our society, regardless of what the reason for taking that life is. It's just not as simple as saying "I decide if I live or die" and nothing else.

usually people who commit suicide forfeit their life insurance.

I voted for it last November and it passed here.

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Originally posted by chimera66 no don't know what it was but seems like he should have tried to work through things. tons of people lose their jobs and get divorced among other awful things but many ultimately end up living happy lives. it wasn't like this guy suffered for a long time, all this happened in the course of a year which i can image is very difficult and stressful. i consider life to be something important so you shouldn't just give up on it without giving it a good try and as a parent you owe it to your kid(s) to stay alive. i just don't think it's fair to leave your child without a father or mother; to me it seems selfish.

Don't you think it'd be even more selfish to force him to live a life he dreaded to endure? It's not like he hadn't severed all his ties with these people anyway once the divorce was filed. If you think your life is important, good, don't commit suicide. He thought the burden of his existence didn't outweigh his will to live, which is a dramatic situation in its own right, and that's a personal choice. To me, your decision sounds no less selfish.

"Shame on the egoist who thinks only of himself!"

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Originally posted by Slylee and lira wtf!! the guy cheated on his wife and when she was going to leave him, he kills himself and leaves her alone in the world with their child who is now fatherless? i'm sorry but that is disgraceful. he probably did her a fucking favor though if that's the kind of pathetic person he is (no offense to chimera). that story pisses me off. the poor woman. gets cheated on AND loses the father of her child.

And she's alive... what difference would his life make to her now anyway? They weren't a couple any more

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Originally posted by Lira Don't you think it'd be even more selfish to force him to live a life he dreaded to endure? It's not like he hadn't severed all his ties with these people anyway once the divorce was filed. If you think your life is important, good, don't commit suicide. He thought the burden of his existence didn't outweigh his will to live, which is a dramatic situation in its own right, and that's a personal choice. To me, your decision sounds no less selfish. "Shame on the egoist who thinks only of himself!" And she's alive... what difference would his life make to her now anyway? They weren't a couple any more

wow lol just...wow.

Jamie where did your blonde hair go?

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Sigh. You're obviously too upset over your own experiences with this issue to actually debate it properly. I can't really be bothered to reiterate my whole argument a third time, so I'll just say this: you would do well to realize that giving the common person the power to end a human life will have severe and widespread consequences for our society, regardless of what the reason for taking that life is. It's just not as simple as saying "I decide if I live or die" and nothing else.

what do you mean? i haven't had any personal experience with this. yea my uncle died and i used that as an example but i'm not an emotional wreck or anything about it lol i wasn't close with him at all. i wasn't crying every night, thinking about him 24-7. i'm not cold hearted or anything i just never bonded with him or spent any quality time with him. it was sad to see my dad lose his only brother, that's all.

but like i said, i totally understood when i found out he almost ended his life in his last months on earth, suffering with chemo, etc... i think people in his position should absolutely have the right to die and i think doctors/medical facilities should help people like that to do it.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Jamie where did your blonde hair go?

?

is this a compliment?

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Originally posted by Slylee ? is this a compliment?

Yes. Yes it was.

i dont understand why some of you think i literally have zero brains, but whatever you guys just have to meet me to get me i guess.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Sigh. You're obviously too upset over your own experiences with this issue to actually debate it properly. I can't really be bothered to reiterate my whole argument a third time, so I'll just say this: you would do well to realize that giving the common person the power to end a human life will have severe and widespread consequences for our society, regardless of what the reason for taking that life is. It's just not as simple as saying "I decide if I live or die" and nothing else.

Here in the US in a select few states (OR and WA I know it is already legal) it has already been legalised. The legal framework has also been created and defined. If I remember correctly, in WA you have to have 2 different doctors say basically the same thing, you have to go to a counselor of some sort, be terminal, and you have be evaluated by a psychiatrist. I could be wrong on those facts, but that is what I read a few months ago. As such, me being a healthy human being, I cannot seek assisted suicide to end my life.

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Originally posted by palm beacuse a funeral isnt free for the relatives both moneywise, timewise and, psychologicalwise. death is expensive and insurance helps on that. lets say your kidd die. if its insured good enough you can quit your job and worship the sadness as deep as u want, do drugs, get hookers, go to las vegas, whatever it takes to handle it.

Funny thing is death isn't expensive; it is the uncanny ability of humans to box up space and claim it; then sell it off. That is the expensive part.

Houses follow this same indoctrination.

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Originally posted by Slylee wow lol just...wow.

Why wow?

If there's anything wrong with my reasoning, feel free to point out. If you just happen to disagree with suicide, well, I don't feel like killing myself either, but that doesn't mean everyone else must live the way we do

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Originally posted by Lira Why wow? If there's anything wrong with my reasoning, feel free to point out. If you just happen to disagree with suicide, well, I don't feel like killing myself either, but that doesn't mean everyone else must live the way we do

i disagree with a sneaky little fag who lost his job and cheated on his wife and then killed himself, leaving a fatherless child behind and a mother with no support, because he didn't want to deal with losing her or man up to what he did and just be a good father to his kid and eventually move on. i don't think people like that can say they want to die.

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Originally posted by Slylee i disagree with a sneaky little fag who lost his job and cheated on his wife and then killed himself, leaving a fatherless child behind and a mother with no support, because he didn't want to deal with losing her or man up to what he did and just be a good father to his kid and eventually move on. i don't think people like that can say they want to die.

How is it any different than our culture that has thousands of dead beat dads?

well i meant that he not only not kill himself, but get his shit together and not be a dead beat dad lol but yea, once again i see your point.

See, you have to remember to think about other ways that the same issue is expressed. Here we have so many dead beat dads that don't give their family they created any sort of financial assistance. If he killed himself as a result, his family would be in the exact same situation.

I agree that he should have just gotten his shit together and dealt with it. The reality of it, is that not everyone is as capable to deal with situations and get through them.

yea i guess i just don't sympathize with weaklings. i've been through some shit myself but you just fucking keep on going. you cry like a bitch for a couple of weeks and grieve and move on and become stronger for it. i dont understand people who can't do this.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Here in the US in a select few states (OR and WA I know it is already legal) it has already been legalised. The legal framework has also been created and defined. If I remember correctly, in WA you have to have 2 different doctors say basically the same thing, you have to go to a counselor of some sort, be terminal, and you have be evaluated by a psychiatrist. I could be wrong on those facts, but that is what I read a few months ago. As such, me being a healthy human being, I cannot seek assisted suicide to end my life.

Yeah, it's allowed in Washington (I-1000), Montana (appeal is still being processed) and Oregon (Death with Dignity Act: http://oregon.gov/DHS/ph/pas/ors.shtml) by the looks of it.

It's a good start, but as long as there are red states, however, I very much doubt that this is a trend that will catch on to a large extent in the US. Furthermore, I suspect that conflict over whether cases comply with the definitions of "Capable" and "Informed decision" in the DWDA will bring many of them to a screeching halt. It will nonetheless be interesting to see how this pans out now that the UK has been going over the issue themselves.

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Originally posted by Slylee yea i guess i just don't sympathize with weaklings. i've been through some shit myself but you just fucking keep on going. you cry like a bitch for a couple of weeks and grieve and move on and become stronger for it. i dont understand people who can't do this.

It's as simple as not ever having learned the right coping skills. I used to be of the same mindset as you...but the reality is that it ISN'T that simple as just "getting over it". There's a certain cognitive process to moving on, and if one hasn't learned how - they can't. And those are the people who need therapy.

That's just how it is.

true. i've cut off friendships with people who couldn't display this behavior before lol

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