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Originally posted by SDM ?

you said "coke would explain my statement"

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Originally posted by mfitterer1 It's all the same man. It's acquired knowledge. You acquire it and then you put it into play. It's the same with everything in life. I know a genius that was best friends with my cousin that taught himself fluent chinese in 7 months at age 17. It's all about the will and passion to get where you want in regards to whatever you're doing. There is one thing common in all of these people. There is no such thing as doubt.

i taught myself written and spoken japanese in about 4 months just before i turned 18 (at the same time i was studying for my exams for my last year of school lol), and went to japan by myself for 5 weeks... wasn't exactly fluent, but had the basics and picked up the rest when i was over there

i don't think anything is that hard if you know you can do it, stop procrastinating and just do it... it's been my experience anyway..

done writing, drawing, painting, learned a language, been able to get a couple of tracks released, i havn't had any formal training in any and have learned all after the age of 17, except drawing... i guess that's why i believe the kid thing doesn't matter, of course it's completely subjective though lol

and i'm not saying i'm a genius, but i just think it's possible to be good at things with a sense of one's own abilities, rather than a focus on the inevitable failure of all your exploits...
i know this isn't what jbj was saying anyway, cause he was specifically talking about extremely succesful people, rather than a simple ability to do stuff, but i guess it's a fine line and for me it's more about being competent than being exceptional.. anyone whose competent at something will probably be exceptional in someone's eyes..

I love how you've totally changed your argument. You're trying to teach me how a childs mind works? I've got a degree in the biological sciences, I know quite well how the mind and the whole body work at any age. In fact most people should anyway, considering you learn these sorts of things well before you graduate from high school.

Nobody ever said that children don't learn quicker, that's quite well documented and about as solid as the fact that we rotate around the sun.
Your argument was that because of that learning capacity the person starting at an early age is forever at a higher level. That's unfounded and completely absurd to say.

Does that person who started at 5 have an advantage? Absolutely.
Does it mean they will always be at a higher level than someone who started at 20? Absolutely not and if you think it does then you've been taught wrong, and/or you don't understand self motivation and persistence.

I posted this to maybe inspire some people and get them to understand that they can reach those high levels with dedication and practice, but Negative Nancy over here jumps straight in with his trademark philosophical negativity

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Originally posted by EgosXII i taught myself written and spoken japanese in about 4 months just before i turned 18 (at the same time i was studying for my exams for my last year of school lol), and went to japan by myself for 5 weeks... wasn't exactly fluent, but had the basics and picked up the rest when i was over there i don't think anything is that hard if you know you can do it, stop procrastinating and just do it... it's been my experience anyway.. done writing, drawing, painting, learned a language, been able to get a couple of tracks released, i havn't had any formal training in any and have learned all after the age of 17, except drawing... i guess that's why i believe the kid thing doesn't matter, of course it's completely subjective though lol and i'm not saying i'm a genius, but i just think it's possible to be good at things with a sense of one's own abilities, rather than a focus on the inevitable failure of all your exploits... i know this isn't what jbj was saying anyway, cause he was specifically talking about extremely succesful people, rather than a simple ability to do stuff, but i guess it's a fine line and for me it's more about being competent than being exceptional.. anyone whose competent at something will probably be exceptional in someone's eyes..

If you can be competent you can be exceptional...

You can be good at anything if you put the time in.

Fledz - a big thank's from me. That's THE most informative thing I've read on a forum.

Hope you dont mind, I posted this on another forum as it's essential reading.

I've been argueing for a while it's all about hard work and persistence, but what realy confuses me is there is this guy on anjunabeats forum that has been signed and is making good stuff that says he's only be into this for a year. That one plays on my mind all the time.

Why? Well because I am obsessive, I mean unhealthly obsessive and spend hours every night, no matter what honing my tune - I mean listening to a 4 bard loop for 3 hours straight, tweaking. I spend about 20 hours every weekend too.

I'm sometimes feeling almost insane with my quest and wonder if it really has to be this hard, or there is something fundamental Im doing wrong.

So reading boomjinx' post just came as quite a relief, that I'm not wasting my time.

Now here's the thing. A shitty label wanted to sign me for 5 tracks a year ago but I turned it down as I just knew my sound was'nt right.

So I've been on this incredibly frustrating journey, and have a lonmg way to go.

Do people think some 'priducers' get signed but are'nt all that?

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Originally posted by Fledz

I don't care what you think about my attitude, whether it is "negative" or not. My attitude doesn't determine whether my view is correct.

Counterexamples. Post them. People who did not start making or playing music until 18+ and who you think are amazing musicians on the skill level of someone like BT or Thom Yorke.

If you think hard work means everything, then you should be able to think of at least a few, right?

in all reality skill and talent almost go hand in hand

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Do people think some 'priducers' get signed but are'nt all that?

i got signed and im not all that

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Do people think some 'priducers' get signed but are'nt all that?

They seem to be the majority these days, actually. But that's an entirely different topic...

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Originally posted by Richard Butler I've been argueing for a while it's all about hard work and persistence, but what realy confuses me is there is this guy on anjunabeats forum that has been signed and is making good stuff that says he's only be into this for a year. That one plays on my mind all the time. Why? Well because I am obsessive, I mean unhealthly obsessive and spend hours every night, no matter what honing my tune - I mean listening to a 4 bard loop for 3 hours straight, tweaking. I spend about 20 hours every weekend too. I'm sometimes feeling almost insane with my quest and wonder if it really has to be this hard, or there is something fundamental Im doing wrong. So reading boomjinx' post just came as quite a relief, that I'm not wasting my time. Now here's the thing. A shitty label wanted to sign me for 5 tracks a year ago but I turned it down as I just knew my sound was'nt right. So I've been on this incredibly frustrating journey, and have a lonmg way to go. Do people think some 'priducers' get signed but are'nt all that?

It seems to me that the majority of your problem is that you seem to be obsessed with getting signed and are over-emphasizing what it means. Getting signed to an EDM label is not a very high hurdle and does not validate one as a great musician or producer. My advice would be to stop thinking about getting signed and worrying about people with less experience who are getting signed, and focus that energy on your music instead. And, when it comes to getting critiques from your peers, understand that you aren't obligated to listen to their advice, even if they are signed. Make music that you like, always strive to be better, and learn to know when YOU are satisfied with your track. You'll drive yourself crazy trying to make everyone else happy (because it will never happen) or focusing on getting signed. Just keep focusing on your music and working to improve with each new track and, with the amount of time that you're dedicating, you'll develop your own style and have label-worthy tracks in no time.

Sorry, back OT!

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Originally posted by RichieV you said "coke would explain my statement"

still dont know what the fuck u talk about.

you posted this

"coke would explain my statement (or postulate really). maybe im just think that everyones loosers."

lol i know what i said but what the fuck do you mean? coke could explain why people with success at young age doesnt last. what does that have to do with a supposed addiction of mine? you think i use coke? haha yeah right, drugs are for loosers.

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Originally posted by SDM lol i know what i said but what the fuck do you mean? coke could explain why people with success at young age doesnt last. what does that have to do with a supposed addiction of mine? you think i use coke? haha yeah right, drugs are for loosers.

Yeah, your spelling indicates a crack habit rather than coke.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Yeah, your spelling indicates a crack habit rather than coke.

not according to firefox

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Do people think some 'priducers' get signed but are'nt all that?

You really have to dig around in beatport to find something good in the trance section.

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Originally posted by SDM lol i know what i said but what the fuck do you mean? coke could explain why people with success at young age doesnt last. what does that have to do with a supposed addiction of mine? you think i use coke? haha yeah right, drugs are for loosers.

well your statement was pretty easy to misinterpret. You aren't very coherent and the admission to being a coke head made sense at the time. My bad.

Not that I would ever encourage drug use but you are in the wrong scene to have such a definitive stance on drugs. Everyone dancing to your music will be on drugs which makes one wonder why pursue something that only losers listen to ?

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Originally posted by cryophonik It seems to me that the majority of your problem is that you seem to be obsessed with getting signed and are over-emphasizing what it means. Getting signed to an EDM label is not a very high hurdle and does not validate one as a great musician or producer. My advice would be to stop thinking about getting signed and worrying about people with less experience who are getting signed, and focus that energy on your music instead. And, when it comes to getting critiques from your peers, understand that you aren't obligated to listen to their advice, even if they are signed. Make music that you like, always strive to be better, and learn to know when YOU are satisfied with your track. You'll drive yourself crazy trying to make everyone else happy (because it will never happen) or focusing on getting signed. Just keep focusing on your music and working to improve with each new track and, with the amount of time that you're dedicating, you'll develop your own style and have label-worthy tracks in no time. Sorry, back OT!

good advice right there

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Originally posted by RichieV Not that I would ever encourage drug use but you are in the wrong scene to have such a definitive stance on drugs. Everyone dancing to your music will be on drugs which makes one wonder why pursue something that only losers listen to ?

seriously im not in a scene at all. i make edm for myself beacuse i just love the music. and i listen to edm for myself or with friends beacuse i enjoy it, it sets me in a good mood. i use to go to trance and techno parties and getting drunk before but stopped it as i found it alot nicer to go places where ur able to talk with your friends or meet normal people. also i rarely meet people with the same tastes in music as me but i sometimes see them here on TA. and i seriously doubt that any drughead would dance to the music i make.

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Originally posted by SDM seriously im not in a scene at all. i make edm for myself beacuse i just love the music. and i listen to edm for myself or with friends beacuse i enjoy it, it sets me in a good mood.

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Originally posted by SDM Also of course u need to have some fucking experience in a club before making a bomb track! Not that many have that before the age of 20. And this is probably the catalyst of your desire to produce for many. The first experience at a 8000 people crowd going mental to the beat.

you just contradicted yourself

Re: Skill vs Talent

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Originally posted by Fledz Here's something I just came across on Boom Jinx myspace. Think what you will of his music, but he's damn good at what he does when you take away biased opinions on music and just focus on what he's trying to achieve. Also seems extremely down to earth and just reading this one blog from 2 years ago (amongst the others) actually made me want to jump back in the chair and make some music. Take a couple of minutes to read it and hopefully it may kick start someone or give another person that little extra push to finish a masterpiece http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?...logId=295174963

What's in common between you and bubbletoe?

DAVE WINZ!

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Originally posted by RichieV you just contradicted yourself

no

my god to be an American u really dont read English well. concentration problems???

i said that my early experiences with these big trance parties was the trigger to making me wanna dj, and then later decided to try produce again (i tried producing at early ago too but with no success as i didnt really have any vision). by the time i understood how stuff was made I was mostly tired of those parties, and made the music for myself instead.

I dont see whats your problem.

Re: Re: Skill vs Talent

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I don't care what you think about my attitude, whether it is "negative" or not. My attitude doesn't determine whether my view is correct. Counterexamples. Post them. People who did not start making or playing music until 18+ and who you think are amazing musicians on the skill level of someone like BT or Thom Yorke. If you think hard work means everything, then you should be able to think of at least a few, right?

It doesn't mean everything as there are many variables but it certainly is a large part of being succesful in any industry and no I'm not going to post examples because music is subjective and what I consider a great musician may not necessarily be a great musician to you.

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Originally posted by Microlab What's in common between you and bubbletoe?

Who the fuck is bubbletoe?

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