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Originally posted by we_R_DNA Sure we can objectively perceive reality, but reality does not depend our own perceptions, or a summation of shared perceptions based on experiments. There for any experiment that has taken place in the past all the way up to today, may change the very second you read this. In all likely hood such a change does not take place, but the probability of such a change must be taken into account.

Can you point to any instances where this "change" has suddenly happened? (The answer is obviously NO.) Given the fact that we have never seen reality morph at random or physical experiments that defy the laws of physics, on what basis do you assume these things COULD happen? What has given you cause to make this assumption? Why should people waste time and mental energy to take into account an incoherent idea for which there is not even the slightest bit of evidence? It is no more plausible than Russel's Teapot , the flying spaghetti monster, or any other unprovable supernatural belief. Why does it deserve any respect?

As for a non-dualistic approach to reality;

Psychoanalysis which is the study of the mind has only been understood through a dichotomization of what the mind is.

Are we really going to conclude that such an approach to understanding the mind is the correct one? Surely we cannot or at least I will not.

Our formation of such a dualistic nature is perhaps a pre-condition of our existence it seems.

To ultimately ascend beyond such a pre-condition may be our next step in advancing our race.

After such a step takes place and I know this is just a small step and I have seen/understood this to be capable of sharing with you the human species is this:

Dichotomization of the human species has created racists.

As you the human species advanced into a high abstract reasoning of reality the discovery of DNA came to the forefront.

We as a whole are united on a level that doesn't depend on race, or sex.

This discover is also found as an anagram in the name Andrew. When you spell this backwards we get WE R DNA.

Since We R DNA, the dualistic nature of sexism and racism has no place anymore.

As each sex would both be composed of DNA, along with any race of human beings.

The human species has attained this step towards a non-dualistic nature of understanding reality and their place in the universe.

This is just one stepping stone of understanding how to ultimately ascend beyond a dualistic existence.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Can you point to any instances where this "change" has suddenly happened? (The answer is obviously NO.) Given the fact that we have never seen reality morph at random or physical experiments that defy the laws of physics, on what basis do you assume these things COULD happen? What has given you cause to make this assumption? Why should people waste time and mental energy to take into account an incoherent idea for which there is not even the slightest bit of evidence? It is no more plausible than Russel's Teapot , the flying spaghetti monster, or any other unprovable supernatural belief. Why does it deserve any respect?

Quantum Tunneling

How bout on a scale above quarks and electrons dna? I suppose there is a CHANCE you could walk through walls or teleport 500 miles for no apparent reason. These things are possible on the quantum scale and can be expressed mathematically, but we've never observed such effects in the macro world. You postulated that the results of some past scientific experiment could theoretically "change" after the fact. This has never happened or been observed, even in the quantum world.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt You postulated that the results of some past scientific experiment could theoretically "change" after the fact. This has never happened or been observed, even in the quantum world.

let me repeat the question..

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Originally posted by we_R_DNA reality does not depend our own perceptions, or a summation of shared perceptions based on experiments. There for any experiment that has taken place in the past all the way up to today, may change the very second you read this.

Examples? Is there any justification for entertaining this theory? Do we have anything to go on aside from the power of the human mind to imagine such nonsense?

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Originally posted by Capitalizt let me repeat the question.. Examples? Is there any justification for entertaining this theory? Do we have anything to go on aside from the power of the human mind to imagine such nonsense?

lol I stand corrected.

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Originally posted by Lomeli Haha, I agree. It does add spice, but it's not life. All I can say is don't listen to what anyone else says. Just go by your own experience and shape the world however you see fit.

Why are you listening to the stuff you've read in books then?

whatever allows me to hit women

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Originally posted by Domesticated Why are you listening to the stuff you've read in books then?

At one point I was. Now there's no need.

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Originally posted by Lomeli At one point I was. Now there's no need.

So you no longer have anything to learn from anyone else on earth?... Wow must be great


... and here I was under the mistaken impression that stripping oneself of ego was fairly universal in non-dualist eastern systems.

i knew if i opened this thread i'd get a bunch of worthless cum in my eye. why can't philosophers just wank in the privacy of their own delusion?

Actually there is a large Science and Nonduality Conference this week near San Francisco. Some of the world's leading scientists, physicists and philosophers will be speaking and debuting new films they produced. If it didn't cost so much, I probably would check it out. Would be cool to talk to Fred Alan Wolf and Henry Stapp in person about quantum physics and the brain/mind relation.

http://www.scienceandnonduality.com/index.shtml

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i knew if i opened this thread i'd get a bunch of worthless cum in my eye. why can't philosophers just wank in the privacy of their own delusion?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i knew if i opened this thread i'd get a bunch of worthless cum in my eye. why can't philosophers just wank in the privacy of their own delusion?

Care to explain any delusions? Care to have a real dialog than to resort to an ad-hominem approach?

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Originally posted by we_R_DNA Care to explain any delusions I may havE? Care to have a real dialog than to resort to an ad-hominem approach?

You're delusional about having something meaningful to say.

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Originally posted by Meat187 You're delusional about having something meaningful to say.

I am not the one who gives meaning to anything; only you can give anything I've said meaning or the lack there of.

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Originally posted by we_R_DNA

I remember reading about this in my last year of school. Absolutely fascinating stuff.

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Originally posted by Andrieux Actually there is a large Science and Nonduality Conference this week near San Francisco. Some of the world's leading scientists, physicists and philosophers will be speaking and debuting new films they produced. If it didn't cost so much, I probably would check it out. Would be cool to talk to Fred Alan Wolf and Henry Stapp in person about quantum physics and the brain/mind relation. http://www.scienceandnonduality.com/index.shtml

Whoa! This is incredible...

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Originally posted by Omega_M Whoa! This is incredible...

Agreed.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Discussion is the spice of life.

Fixed

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Originally posted by Arbiter Just think about how many things can be reduced to ones and zeroes. It doesn't get much more dichotomous than that...

advaita is more like saying whether you have heads or you have tails, there is still only one coin.

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Originally posted by nefardec advaita is more like saying whether you have heads or you have tails, there is still only one coin.

I knew you'd appear in this thread sooner or later.

What is 'the coin' when talking about 1s and 0s?

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Originally posted by Domesticated What is 'the coin' when talking about 1s and 0s?

The entirety of the system. At least, that's how we deal with it in linguistics =/

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