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Originally posted by Slylee um ok but we were talking about jay and his online behavior. it is extremely consistent and developed. the guy made a fake fucking facebook page about jenny.

And you are extremely consistent and developed in your inanity and stupidity. But whenever someone points that out, they've got you wrong or your online self isn't an accurate persona.

I'm pointing out your basic hypocrisies. You change your standards and thinking to suit you in any given moment.

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Originally posted by iTranscendence I mean what do you want me to do, lay out the history of abuse of power by governments against their people? History is REPLETE with them it's not my job to be your info-nanny.

Not only do I already know that, I've already said it in this thread:

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Is this a big shock to you? The government always lies and breaks its own laws.

I also find your hypocrisy quite amusing. You scream that it's illegal spying, but you're only concerned because you don't want the government to know about your illegal activities. I suppose one of the foundational ideals of your country was that citizens abided by the law?

I'm not committing any illegal activities, and I find your entire premise fallacious that it's OKAY, because someone has nothing to hide.

Innocent until proven guilty, the 4th, 5th and 10th amendments still hold weight as far as I'm concerned. You're entire argument about it being okay as long as you have nothing to hide falls flat on its face under the 4th amendment and unlawful searches and seizures.

Just don't add the CIA as a friend on FB

Or Osama Bin Laden, cause they are friends and if you have friends of friends turned on they'll be able to see you anyway.

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Originally posted by iTranscendence You're entire argument about it being okay as long as you have nothing to hide falls flat on its face under the 4th amendment and unlawful searches and seizures.

Ugh. A government computer parsing information that you've chosen to publicize about yourself is not a search under the 4th amendment.

UGH. We need a supreme court ruling putting data mining under the reigns of the 4th amendment.

What about if your profile is private and they still mine the data anyway?

Lol, you really need to read the user agreement when you sign up for Facebook. It's as simple as Arbiter says, really. I don't know why you're not getting it.

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Originally posted by iTranscendence UGH. We need a supreme court ruling putting data mining under the reigns of the 4th amendment. What about if your profile is private and they still mine the data anyway?

Doubtful. Under California v. Greenwood the authorities can sift through your garbage once it's outside of your home and that's not a search.

Since social networking sites are basically electronic garbage and they're not inside your home, it follows that they can search them too.

The way they write their user agreements is no less of collusion than the way ATT allows the NSA to openly monitor their traffic.

Here, I got you something:

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Originally posted by Arbiter Doubtful. Under California v. Greenwood the authorities can sift through your garbage once it's outside of your home and that's not a search. Since social networking sites are basically electronic garbage and they're not inside your home, it follows that they can search them too.

Many rulings are not going to be congruent with the electronic age and the expansion of it into every aspect of our lives.

Gee, I've never heard of an organization going around and collecting/monitoring everything that everybody says. This whole concept sounds astoundingly new to me and I cannot fathom that this would even exist. Gee, it's amazing what governments are coming up with these days. Better start bitching about this concept now because nobody has ever done it before.

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Originally posted by jennypie Here, I got you something:

Here, I got you something

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Originally posted by iTranscendence UGH. We need a supreme court ruling putting data mining under the reigns of the 4th amendment. What about if your profile is private and they still mine the data anyway?

I think it's safe to say you've never read the fine print before you clicked "I Agree" and signed up to Facebook.

For the record, I've never claimed it's "okay" for governments to be hypocrites and to break their own rules. However it happens. It's always happened. It always will happen. In cases like this, it's utterly insignificant and has no practical influence on your life. And no, it isn't the start of an Orwellian dystopia. It's a pathetic thing to complain about, and you don't care about it because of your principles. You care because you take drugs.

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Originally posted by iTranscendence Here, I got you something

Oh thanks! Now I don't have to explain to your mother how I lost hers!

If one of your friends accesses your profile on a computer in a public library, for example, then even after they log off your profile information will no doubt be stored in that computer's internet browser cache for some period of time. Can you really have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the contents of a third party public library's computer's browser cache?

I mean, I'm generally in favor of stronger 4th amendment protection that we currently have, but I think that would be going too far.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J And you are extremely consistent and developed in your inanity and stupidity. But whenever someone points that out, they've got you wrong or your online self isn't an accurate persona. I'm pointing out your basic hypocrisies. You change your standards and thinking to suit you in any given moment.

lol get fucked

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Originally posted by jennypie Here, I got you something:

bahahahah where did you get that? i have that on my photobucket account. i forgot where i got it from.

Lol I just Googled 'tinfoil hat'.

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Originally posted by jennypie Oh thanks! Now I don't have to explain to your mother how I lost hers!

That clown pocket eats objects like fuckin pacman.

wakka wakka wakka wakka

Nyuk nyuk!

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Originally posted by Arbiter If one of your friends accesses your profile on a computer in a public library, for example, then even after they log off your profile information will no doubt be stored in that computer's internet browser cache for some period of time. Can you really have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the contents of a third party public library's computer's browser cache? I mean, I'm generally in favor of stronger 4th amendment protection that we currently have, but I think that would be going too far.

Which is exactly why I think we need to reassess the 4th amendment in context of the new digital world.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I think it's safe to say you've never read the fine print before you clicked "I Agree" and signed up to Facebook. For the record, I've never claimed it's "okay" for governments to be hypocrites and to break their own rules. However it happens. It's always happened. It always will happen. In cases like this, it's utterly insignificant and has no practical influence on your life. And no, it isn't the start of an Orwellian dystopia. It's a pathetic thing to complain about, and you don't care about it because of your principles. You care because you take drugs.

I'm sorry if I was being presumptuous about your views or beliefs on it, it was just what I inferred from the conversation. I am and will continue to be very hard line in my positions on subjects like this though because you give them an inch, they will always take a mile.

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Originally posted by iTranscendence you give them an inch, they will always take a mile.

That's what SHE said.

What can I say Jenny, it looks small till you get him excited.

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