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im not the one whining here, im saying my opinion on windows xp and then this know-it-all-dude comes saying i have no idea what im talking about. whatever man, u can all live in ignorance, not my problem.

wasn't talking about you. But he is right in that you tend to state your opinion without elaborating. For example, you sated that mac destops are shit and that I don't have a clue yet you don't say why which makes your post kinda irrelevant.

i might not be good at explaining what i mean, but in this case it wasnt really any point as diginut compares osx to windown 3.1. thats when i say discussion is pointless. when it comes to the mac desktop i stand by my meaning of it firstly because its a desktop (i dont like desktops at all for numbers of reason) and because of its price. music production isnt really that demanding and u dont really need alot of computer power if u know what your doing. therefore id rather go for the iMac which i currently think is the best daw avaliable atm (price considered always). No noise, no dust collecting cable-mess, big phatt screen, stabile, easy-backup, easy-reinstall OS without alot of bugs and updates. big enough HD, CPU, RAM. Lots of driver support for audio-devices etc, runs industry standard software. Sorry if im not explaining myself good enough but the stuff i say is rarely hard to get. If diginut want to keep up his PC-wizardry then thats up to him but im not gonna watch him trying to fool others into that. Its all about keeping your mind on the music and not every week security updates, registry-failures, sudden blue-screens, faulty drivers, virus-progs, antivirusprogs, servicepacks etc etc. Who needs security for making music anyway?

I am on a PC and have had to reinstall Ableton and Reason maybe twice in the four and a half years since I've had it. I don't even remember the last time I got a "blue screen of death" -- maybe two or three years ago? I have never had any problems with the registry.

All you guys who have (or had) constant problems with PCs, what the heck are you doing to your computers?

i didnt have alot of problems myself the last three-four years because finaly XP got pretty stabile + i know it very well by know. Then came Vista and now Win7 and its all worse again, just like XP where in the start. Its like end-users are the beta-testers, for the average user its hell, i dont think i know one person without buggy windows, whether it be Xp, Vista or 7. Id love to stay on XP really because its what i know best and there are some things i really like in there (file-explorer is awesome imo) and i hate learning new apps. but i really wanted to try logic out and i needed a laptop anyway, and XP where dying while Vista where crap and Win7 wasnt ready, it was a easy decision switching to a macbook pro. Microsoft and PC laptops didnt have anything good to offer me this summer. In two three years things might be totaly different, once Win7 is on SP2 and has alot of driver support everything can be changed. I might not even end up using Logic and then im free to do whatever, or maybe Logic comes for Windows again, who knows, i dont care, i get what best in the moment and right now its mac/osx. Id go back to Windows again if it gets stabile for one reason alone, winamp! whadda off-topic back on topic i think less is more, just know your tools and ull find out that u dont really need much to make awesome stuff.

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Originally posted by palm i dont think i know one person without buggy windows, whether it be Xp, Vista or 7.

Well, now you know a couple of people already - MrJiveBoJingles seems to have a stable PC judging by his post just before yours. And my production computer has been utterly solid for the last 5 years. It's not on the internet, it has no games on it, it just runs beautifully and lets me make music.

i dont know any of you, for all i know u are all computer-wizards and actually like to fiddle with your OS, like car-rasers polishing their cars. there are alot of those around too and those def end up using windows as osx seems impossible to customize. would be great to see a world where apple and microsoft didnt go against each other but rather help each other making great technology (like pioneer, sony, samsung does with blue-ray). IT/IS-people in general arent really into collabs.

I switched to Mac a year ago when I was upgrading my system . I just didnt see the point in buying a new computer for an OS that was 10 years old. Vista was not an option and W7 want around. Perhaps microsoft will stop sucking.

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Originally posted by palm im saying my opinion on windows xp

Windows XP has been obsolete for almost 5 years, which speaks to the validity and relevance of your "opinion". I'm not the one being "conservative" here.

My PC (now Vista x64, previously XP) has been running fine for the last 8 years or so with no bugs or "modding". The fact is, you don't know shit, everything you say is based on a handful of anecdotes and rumours and a pantload of arrogance, and it seems that your only purpose here is to tell other people to be like you because you know what's best for everybody.

This isn't an issue of you not being good at expressing yourself or explaining what you mean. It's an issue of you being a fucking idiot and refusing to shut up even after it's been made crystal clear that you're pulling everything you say out of your own ass.

I rarely see you contribute anything of value to this forum; every post I see from you is either blatant trolling or vacuous one-liners. Either grow up or GTFO.

^^Chill. Sometimes he can be a little blunt but that is only because of his English, he is not a native speaker nor obviously very fluent. I assume he just translates from his native tongue into English and it comes off as harsh or just offensive.

As for the XP comment, i have to disagree. I use Vista on my production PC, but I feel that some software is more stable on XP as well as the latter takes up less resources.

Been running vista 64 on a custom build for well over a year and have not had one problem.

Upgrading W7 64 this weekend, which I am sure wont be fun but after that I am sure I will be problem free for a good 3+ years with W7 64.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Windows XP has been obsolete for almost 5 years

yet theres no working alternative before next year. that you have a faultfree computer for 8 years only underline my assumption that u are a PC-wizard polishing it every day. Not everyone wants a masterdegree in informatics just to make music. Please dont fool anyone to think Vista is good and stabile, ull only look like an idiot when u do. And for the poor dude that actually believes in you i feel sorry for him.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I rarely see you contribute anything of value to this forum; every post I see from you is either blatant trolling or vacuous one-liners. Either grow up or GTFO.

sorry u see it that way, obviously you picture everyone that disagree with you as trolls because you are the true oracle right? i hope that someone else can find value in some of my posts, and manage to see through my language, caus what i mostly do is to question the authority's here when i see your convincing noobs to stupid decisions. if not i might just as well grow up AND gtfo, and find something else to do because for my own sakes this forums is nothing but a timethief, it gives me nothing anymore. whatever man im not discussing anything with you anymore.

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Originally posted by Eric J Fortunately for me, I called Apple before doing the upgrade and ended up talking to a guy on the Logic Pro development team. He provided me with step-by-step guidelines for reinstalling everything without losing any preferences or settings, so it made the process a lot quicker than it might have otherwise been.

Pls Provide Source or GTFO

Are you suggesting I PROVE to you that this occurred?

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Originally posted by Eric J Are you suggesting I PROVE to you that this occurred?

Naw, he just wants you to share the love.

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Originally posted by Eric J Are you suggesting I PROVE to you that this occurred?

lol, communicate is a bitch, im guessing he wants you to tell how to do it.

Well, keep in mind this situation is very specific to my particular setup. I highly recommend that you call Apple support and discuss your particular setup with them personally. Because each system and individual setup is different, there is no guarantee that the procedures outlined here will work on your system or produce the expected results.

This procedure does not preserve any installed software or AudioMIDI settings. You will need to reinstall Logic Pro and any 3rd party software (including plugins) after these steps are completed. This procedure contains many steps, so be sure you read through each step carefully before proceeding. Again, ensure you have all user data backed up to an external storage device before performing an Erase & Install or any such data will be lost.

I asked Apple to provide me with procedures to accomplish the following:

• Preserve all presets for Software Instruments from source machine to backup disk.
  
• Preserve all presets for Software Effects from source machine to backup disk.
  
• Preserve all presets for Channel Strips from source machine to backup disk.
  
• Preserve all Project Templates from source machine to backup disk.
  
• Preserve all keyboard shortcuts from source machine to backup disk.
  
• Restore all presets for Software Instruments to target machine from backup disk.
  
• Restore all presets for Software Effects to target machine from backup disk.
  
• Restore all presets for Channel Strips to target machine from backup disk.
  
• Restore all Project Templates to target machine from backup disk.
  
• Restore all keyboard shortcuts to target machine from backup disk.
  
• Perform Erase & Install installation of Apple Mac OS X 10.5 on same disk as existing Apple Mac OS X 10.4 installation.
  

1. Backup all user data to external disk or other storage medium. This should include all project specific data and audio files.
   
2. Backup all files and folders from /Library/Audio/Presets/*
   
3. Backup all files and folders from /Library/Application Support/Logic/Channel Strip Settings/*
   
4. Backup all files and folders from /Library/Application Support/Logic/Key Commands/*
   
5. Backup all files and folders from /Library/Application Support/Logic/Plugin Settings/*
   
6. Backup all files and folders from /Library/Application Support/Logic/Project Templates/*
   
7. Backup all files and folders from /Library/Application Support/Logic/Sampler Instruments/*
   
8. Backup all files and folders from /Users/(username)/Library/Audio/Presets/*
   
9. Backup all files and folders from /Users/(username)/Library/Application Support/Logic/Channel Strip Settings/*
   
10. Backup all files and folders from /Users/(username)/Library/Application Support/Logic/Key Commands/*
    
11. Backup all files and folders from /Users/(username)/Library/Application Support/Logic/Plugin Settings/*
    
12. Backup all files and folders from /Users/(username)/Library/Application Support/Logic/Project Templates/*
    
13. Backup all files and folders from /Users/(username)/Library/Application Support/Logic/Sampler Instruments/*
    
14. Insert Mac OS X 10.5 install disc in top CD/DVD ROM Drive.
    
15. Reboot Mac. After start up chime hold down C to boot from CD/DVD Drive.
    
16. Perform Erase & Install procedure from Mac OS X 10.5 CD.
    
17. After OS installation, launch Software Update and download/install any recommended software updates. Repeat this procedure until Software Update reports "Your computer is up to date". This step may require one or more reboots of your Mac.
    
18. Eject Mac OS X 10.5 install disc and insert Logic Pro install disc.
    
19. Install Logic Pro from Logic Pro installation media. Installation instructions for Logic Pro can be found in the Logic Pro manual. Be sure you have all nine Logic Pro installation discs at hand before proceeding.
    
20. Launch Software Update again and install any available updates to Logic Pro
    
21. Restore all files and folders from backup disk to /Library/Audio/Presets/*
    
22. Restore all files and folders from backup disk to /Library/Application Support/Logic/Channel Strip Settings/*
    
23. Restore all files and folders from backup disk to /Library/Application Support/Logic/Key Commands/*
    
24. Restore all files and folders from backup disk to /Library/Application Support/Logic/Plugin Settings/*
    
25. Restore all files and folders from backup disk to /Library/Application Support/Logic/Project Templates/*
    
26. Restore all files and folders from backup disk to /Library/Application Support/Logic/Sampler Instruments/*
    
27. Restore all files and folders from backup disk to /Users/(username)/Library/Audio/Presets/*
    
28. Restore all files and folders from backup disk to /Users/(username)/Library/Application Support/Logic/Channel Strip Settings/*
    
29. Restore all files and folders from backup disk to /Users/(username)/Library/Application Support/Logic/Key Commands/*
    
30. Restore all files and folders from backup disk to /Users/(username)/Library/Application Support/Logic/Plugin Settings/*
    
31. Restore all files and folders from backup disk to /Users/(username)/Library/Application Support/Logic/Project Templates/*
    
32. Restore all files and folders from backup disk to /Users/(username)/Library/Application Support/Logic/Sampler Instruments/*
    
33. Restore any user data from external disk or other storage medium. This should include all project specific data and audio files.
    
34. Install any 3rd party software (including plugins).
    
35. Done
    

woh.

Anyway, being a windows user I save all my presets in the same place and cope them over.

Also once I've rebuilt my system with a new OS/all VST's I'll ghost and image and update that now and again so it can be restored if the drive goes.

I just upgraded to W7 a couple days ago, and nearly everything is going swimmingly...The only issue I've had is with two plugins that I don't know how to transfer over...So I can't really move completely to W7 until I can reformat my other drive and install Komplete 5.

@Cryo: Did you get your PSP Nitro and Ultra Analog transferred over without hiccups? I can't authorize them :/

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Originally posted by ReclusNdangrmnt @Cryo: Did you get your PSP Nitro and Ultra Analog transferred over without hiccups? I can't authorize them :/

Yeah - I had no problem (on W7 32-bit). Are you on 32-bit or 64-bit? Did they install OK?

Yeah, 32bit here as well...They installed fine, and open up in my DAW (Which is Pro-Tools LE). However, PSP asks for the code, I put that in, and it works fine...Until I restart, whereupon it asks for authorization yet again. Ultra Analog just won't let me re-register with the challenge/response method, ergo I'm dead in the water in 14 days or so.

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