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Originally posted by Slylee where did you go to med school out of curiosity?

University of Florida smart ass.

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Originally posted by Theresa That's what I am saying, but what do you call it if you are ensuring that you don't credit something for an outcome?

Accounting for variables. Or... "Seeing if it works".

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If the placebo effect can have the same results as something that actually makes you feel better, how can you be sure it is one and not the other?

You can't. Your test doesn't say anything about why the vitamins work. It's hard for the placebo effect to continue working when you stop taking the placebo, isn't it?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Accounting for variables. Or... "Seeing if it works". You can't. Your test doesn't say anything about why the vitamins work. It's hard for the placebo effect to continue working when you stop taking the placebo, isn't it?

So if it was a placebo, why would it take up to and over a week for the 'effects' to start working after taking the vitamins? Shouldn't it be relatively immediately?

I suppose it all comes down to your expectations. It seems that my expectations don't match with what actually happens which leads me to believe it isn't a placebo effect at all.

However, I wont discount the power of the brain... even mine

Goodness.

You didn't do ANYTHING with a placebo. You weaned yourself off of vitamins (or cold turkey'd it) to see if your body felt a difference. It has NOTHING to do with a placebo. For someone who went crazy with the definition of mutilation, you sure don't mind using a term which isn't applicable right now!

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Originally posted by squirrelly Goodness. You didn't do ANYTHING with a placebo. You weaned yourself off of vitamins (or cold turkey'd it) to see if your body felt a difference. It has NOTHING to do with a placebo. For someone who went crazy with the definition of mutilation, you sure don't mind using a term which isn't applicable right now!

My point was that I essentially was trying to prove to myself that in relation to vitamins, I was not susceptible to 'placebo effect'. If you wanna get technical, maybe my 'test' was a placebo effect in itself and thus reinforcing the placebo effect and so on and so on.

It really doesn't matter because the vitamins seem to make me feel better, placebo effect or not.

Thanks for your input tits mcgee. Perhaps you should get back to reading and quoting the Torah and slicing pen0rs instead of wasting your time on a stupid bitch like me?

Scientific answer is no, there is no point in taking more than 100% of the RDA, it doesn't even matter what your bodyweight is.

le big time too.

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Originally posted by Theresa So if it was a placebo, why would it take up to and over a week for the 'effects' to start working after taking the vitamins? Shouldn't it be relatively immediately?

That's not relevant to your test, because you examined what happened when you stopped taking it, not when you started taking it.

With that said, even the power of the brain probably can't give instant results. Especially not if you're expecting a treatment to take a few days to really kick in, as most people do.

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Originally posted by Theresa My point was that I essentially was trying to prove to myself that in relation to vitamins, I was not susceptible to 'placebo effect'. If you wanna get technical, maybe my 'test' was a placebo effect in itself and thus reinforcing the placebo effect and so on and so on. It really doesn't matter because the vitamins seem to make me feel better, placebo effect or not. Thanks for your input tits mcgee. Perhaps you should get back to reading and quoting the Torah and slicing pen0rs instead of wasting your time on a stupid bitch like me?

bahahaha way to get immature! Awe, did I hurwt yow wittel feeewings?


Definition of placebo

a. A substance containing no medication and prescribed or given to reinforce a patient's expectation to get well.
b. An inactive substance or preparation used as a control in an experiment or test to determine the effectiveness of a medicinal drug.

You weren't taking any substances AT ALL (prescribed OR given). Which means - no placebo. Again - stopping to take vitamins does not mean you became some scientist doing an experiment to see if they worked - it means just that. You stopped taking vitamins and your body started feeling worse so you started taking them again. No plaebo, at all.

Your misusage of the word only reinforces the fact that you're a stupid bitch, anyway

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Originally posted by squirrelly Robaroni, I miss you.

Sara darling, how are you?

roar

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Originally posted by Theresa My point was that I essentially was trying to prove to myself that in relation to vitamins, I was not susceptible to 'placebo effect'. If you wanna get technical, maybe my 'test' was a placebo effect in itself and thus reinforcing the placebo effect and so on and so on. It really doesn't matter because the vitamins seem to make me feel better, placebo effect or not.

yeah, my bf has the B12 vitamins & i really felt a difference with them.. maybe it's bc im vegetarian but i just bought the bottle today.. dunno if im susceptible to the 'placebo effect' also.. but hell, i did my little research online & did see it's good for vegetarians to take, so what the hell if YOU think it makes you feel healthy, and you've read a bit on it, then there should be no problem

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Originally posted by squirrelly bahahaha way to get immature! Awe, did I hurwt yow wittel feeewings? Definition of placebo a. A substance containing no medication and prescribed or given to reinforce a patient's expectation to get well. b. An inactive substance or preparation used as a control in an experiment or test to determine the effectiveness of a medicinal drug. You weren't taking any substances AT ALL (prescribed OR given). Which means - no placebo. Again - stopping to take vitamins does not mean you became some scientist doing an experiment to see if they worked - it means just that. You stopped taking vitamins and your body started feeling worse so you started taking them again. No plaebo, at all. Your misusage of the word only reinforces the fact that you're a stupid bitch, anyway

LOL you are one of the most hypocritical posters here. If you're going to call me a stupid bitch, at least don't be a dumbass twat yourself and act like a cu*t when I throw something back at you. You call me a dumbass bitch and then act like some 'higher than thou' cretin when I respond in the same tune. Pot calling kettle black my friend. If you dish it out, then be prepared to take it back. Obviously you and I don't like each other, so do both of us a favour and save your brilliant responses for someone else who will appreciate them.

Placebo effect:
a reaction to a placebo manifested by a lessening of symptoms or the production of anticipated side effects.

Many people argue that vitamins are placebos and thus create the placebo effect. Please read previous posts for further clarification.

Moving on...

Someone mentioned fish oils. I have never taken them but I was wondering what their benefits are. A friend of mine told me it makes him able to concentrate better.

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Originally posted by UWM Sara darling, how are you?

Check PM for the updated nudes I just sent you.

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Originally posted by Theresa LOL you are one of the most hypocritical posters here. If you're going to call me a stupid bitch, at least don't be a dumbass twat yourself and act like a cu*t when I throw something back at you. You call me a dumbass bitch and then act like some 'higher than thou' cretin when I respond in the same tune. Pot calling kettle black my friend. If you dish it out, then be prepared to take it back. Obviously you and I don't like each other, so do both of us a favour and save your brilliant responses for someone else who will appreciate them.

You're getting all riled up! It's gotta be the cutest thing ever! I bet your glasses are about to break from you just glaring at the screen!

You're actually getting it all wrong. I'm always a cunt when it comes to your postings because you ARE a stupid bitch. You sit on your stupid fucking pedestal and try to act like you're this stupid innocent girl (the stupid part is right, anyway) when in reality - you're no better than anyone else on this forum. You march in here acting like your opinion is the best out of everyones and since you're so "niiiiiiiiiiiiiice" that we should listen to the stupidity that spews out of your stupid ass fingers.

PS - take some advice from ducky about getting the pixie look right. Your look simply translates into "dyke" not "cute pixie".

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Originally posted by Theresa Moving on... Someone mentioned fish oils. I have never taken them but I was wondering what their benefits are. A friend of mine told me it makes him able to concentrate better.

i used to take fish oils, or the cod liver i think i took both, but anyway, i could barely swallow the damn pills .. however, they are supposed to help you with the growth of beautiful hair & nails & other benefits. i stopped taking them bc at the time i was very acne prone & that seemed to make me break out as if i was on a chocolate spree.. i suppose adding more oil to my system wasn't a bright idea. but if you don't have a prob with acne (now i don't) i suggest you try them out.

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Originally posted by yukii i used to take fish oils, or the cod liver i think i took both, but anyway, i could barely swallow the damn pills .. however, they are supposed to help you with the growth of beautiful hair & nails & other benefits. i stopped taking them bc at the time i was very acne prone & that seemed to make me break out as if i was on a chocolate spree.. i suppose adding more oil to my system wasn't a bright idea. but if you don't have a prob with acne (now i don't) i suggest you try them out.

Hmmm, luckily I don't have an acne problem, but I have always been a little on the oilier-skinned side... not sure if I am willing to risk spending the money on them if they might cause acne. However, during the winter time it gets super dry here, so maybe it wouldn't be so bad then.

Slylee, you said you take them... how do you like them?

Jenny, where do you get the vitamin K? I can't find that anywhere except for cream form (to put under the eyes).

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Originally posted by squirrelly Your look simply translates into "dyke" not "cute pixie".

I've always wondered how anyone could argue otherwise.

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Originally posted by Theresa Hmmm, luckily I don't have an acne problem, but I have always been a little on the oilier-skinned side... not sure if I am willing to risk spending the money on them if they might cause acne. However, during the winter time it gets super dry here, so maybe it wouldn't be so bad then.

yeah, i dont have acne anymore but i dont think i want to risk taking them and getting horrible skin when my bf was going through this detox, he was taking these vitamins that are really really good for you, within a week i started noticing he was in a much better mood than usual, more lovey with me & even hornier lol, his demeanor also changed, he kinda looked sick before, and now he just looked like he was full of energy and life, he even told me he felt a huge difference, the supplements seem great, however, expensive.. but they're good bc i learned that most 'multivitamins' only have a 20% absorption rate.. i think if you have a healthy diet you should be getting all your vitamins & if you any excess your body will simply excrete them..

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Originally posted by Theresa Jenny, where do you get the vitamin K? I can't find that anywhere except for cream form (to put under the eyes).

Vitamin K!? Why would any healthy person ever take vitamin K?

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Originally posted by Theresa My point was that I essentially was trying to prove to myself that in relation to vitamins, I was not susceptible to 'placebo effect'. If you wanna get technical, maybe my 'test' was a placebo effect in itself and thus reinforcing the placebo effect and so on and so on.

If I was to give someone a placebo and it worked via the placebo effect. It stands to reason that when I stopped giving it to them the placebo effect would cease too, and they would feel worse again.

So ceasing a therapy is not effective way to test whether its perceived benefits were due to the placebo effect... at all. The test is completely useless. The only way to test it would be to have someone administer a substance to you on a regular basis, without your knowing whether you were taking the vitamins or a control substance that has no physiological effect. You would log how well you felt and then see if there was any correlation between how you felt and what you were taking.

Anything short of that is a completely meaningless test.


But back on topic.. something like fish oil would be the only sort of supplement I would consider taking, because it seems fairly natural.. oil extracted from a fish.. and I know I don't eat enough seafood. I've also heard that our natural caveman diet contained a lot more omega-3 fatty acids that we don't get from a modern diet.

In terms of common vitamins and minerals, I refuse to believe that you can't get your RDI of them just by eating a balanced diet... Just eat more fruit/veggies people... and red meat if you're one of those sickly vitB/iron-deficient people.

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Originally posted by yukii yeah, my bf has the B12 vitamins & i really felt a difference with them.. maybe it's bc im vegetarian but i just bought the bottle today.. dunno if im susceptible to the 'placebo effect' also.. but hell, i did my little research online & did see it's good for vegetarians to take, so what the hell if YOU think it makes you feel healthy, and you've read a bit on it, then there should be no problem

Not just vegetarians. Everybody should take B12 supplements. Vegans, Vegetarians, Meat Eaters.

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Originally posted by Lews Not just vegetarians. Everybody should take B12 supplements. Vegans, Vegetarians, Meat Eaters.

Why?

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Originally posted by KiNeTiC ENeRgY please don't offer medical advice. You can actually do harm to yourself with excess vitamins/minerals

Why? For the most part, it's true. The kind of vitamins that the average person takes aren't the kind that you can OD on. I honestly don't know why anyone would take fat soluble vitamins without the advice of a doctor anyway. There's no need for it unless you have a serious deficiency.

Besides, OP asked about vitamin C, and your body DOES excrete what it doesn't use.

Thanks for coming out though.

hey guys am I too late to join the "tell other people my sweet sweet supplement strategy or lackthereof" party?????

GOLLY, I HOPE NOT

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