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why would he need to wait another week, another week of torture, another week without sleep? he knows everything he needs to know, people cant really give any more advice than already donne. im guessing that ull get the nord too in time though haha. because the nord rack 2x is the most sexy synth of all time and ull be dreaming of it until the day u get it (ill promise ull get it) eventhough i learned that i cant work with hardware AT ALL, i still want to have the 2x (i had the 3) just because its the perfect hardware-synth to me. oh gosh i need to stop talk about it.

Oh and I dont need a better sound card I can just use the one on the virus no?

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Originally posted by palm why would he need to wait another week, another week of torture, another week without sleep? he knows everything he needs to know, people cant really give any more advice than already donne. im guessing that ull get the nord too in time though haha. because the nord rack 2x is the most sexy synth of all time and ull be dreaming of it until the day u get it (ill promise ull get it) eventhough i learned that i cant work with hardware AT ALL, i still want to have the 2x (i had the 3) just because its the perfect hardware-synth to me. oh gosh i need to stop talk about it.

Whats your biggest "urk" about hardware?

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Honestly I've NEVER understood in my life how ANYONE "knows" what they want. Because I HAVE been listening to both the Nord and Virus and if you want me to be honest I want them both. Its extremely difficult to say "I want this one more because of blah blah". They both sound great imo so its hard to say. And when I really look at a guy like Alanzo, someone who has prob owned every hardware synth known to man, and I think about how awfully confused he must be (guy gets a new synth every month lol) then I view the confusion I'm experiencing as completely normal. And in that sense, maybe I will sell it on ebay in another 6 months, but it will still be apart of that life long learning process to discover what sound I'm after and what suits me best. And in that respect I think I made a smart decision. =]

just rippin on you man - hope u enjoy your new toy

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox If you take a synth like FM-8 or Massive, I know where to start, and I get the basics, but the endless modulating capabilies are where I label myself "newbie". I have no problems tweaking waveforms, envelopes, lfos and other basic programming, but when it comes to the more intricate modulating/routing capabilites I usually steer away from getting that deep into a preset.

I think if you just read through the manual carefully you will be a lot less intimidated. That's how I finally learned to do FM synthesis.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox For me I just want a different level of sound, I mean listen to this how can you not love that sound? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUif508d-gM

Ehhhh...

I am skeptical because the demo uses popular melodies which cloud your judgment.

If you took a Virus patch and in one sample you just repeated the A note over again and again, then on another patch played a popular melody, and then told people to compare two different synthesizers(when in reality it's the same synth) I bet you most people would think there is a difference.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Ehhhh... I am skeptical because the demo uses popular melodies which cloud your judgment. If you took a Virus patch and in one sample you just repeated the A note over again and again, then on another patch played a popular melody, and then told people to compare two different synthesizers(when in reality it's the same synth) I bet you most people would think there is a difference.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Ehhhh... I am skeptical because the demo uses popular melodies which cloud your judgment. If you took a Virus patch and in one sample you just repeated the A note over again and again, then on another patch played a popular melody, and then told people to compare two different synthesizers(when in reality it's the same synth) I bet you most people would think there is a difference.

Its funny because I was just reading the Dance Music Manual the other day, and it said never to sample a synth by pressing the same key over and over.
So I guess one would gather the total emotional impact of a melody is 50% the melody, and 50% the sound used. And in your example it would still support the idea that not having a melody, would take away enough emotional impact to not make someone care what sound was used, but I'm still not sure about not being able to identify a difference.

I still do believe sound source itself is half the emotional impact of a melody, so in real basic miminal arrangments maybe sounds matter less, but in something with long drawn out epic progressions, I believe an exceptional sound source is just gonna add that much more impact.

So yeh its very subjective to say the least.

Sweet some tard just bought my Snow from me on ebay ...oh wait.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox For me I just want a different level of sound, I mean listen to this how can you not love that sound? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUif508d-gM If I can do anything close on the snow I'd be perfectly happy. I've heard a ton with the snow and they all sound great, but alan did a great job with that one virus demo.

you can easily make all those sounds with software. In fact software synths tend to be a little more innovative and generally more interesting as almost every hardware synth is just a subtractive synth. The problem is your skill level , not your tools. You will find more sound designers using reaktor than a virus synth.

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Originally posted by RichieV you can easily make all those sounds with software. In fact software synths tend to be a little more innovative and generally more interesting as almost every hardware synth is just a subtractive synth. The problem is your skill level , not your tools. You will find more sound designers using reaktor than a virus synth.

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Originally posted by RichieV you can easily make all those sounds with software. In fact software synths tend to be a little more innovative and generally more interesting as almost every hardware synth is just a subtractive synth.

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Rule #1 about the Hardware Synth Club is that you DO NOT talk about the Hardware Synth Club.
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...or everybody will tell you that you're wrong to join the Hardware Synth Club.

Well, I'd say Robbie made a semi wise decision, at least this way he doesn't need a soundcard. Honestly, its still stupid, but at least he won't screw up his audio quality going into his computer with a crappy soundcard.

Its really surprising that someone can be doing this for 6 years and still not have worked some of this stuff out

Oh yeah, and as far as Nord vs Virus goes, I find the nord sits better in the mix, and tends to sounds smoother and gentler. The virus is a great synth, only in that it's presets are really REALLY good, which gives everyone the impression that its fantastic. I don't really think the sound is that great in terms of oscillators or filters, but the presets are programmed so that its incredibly good fun to play with in a shop. I don't think its as practically useful as many other synths though, like the Prophet 08, Nord lead, etc.

PLEASE STOPPED OFFENSING HIM KTPHILLIPS

lol

Anyone care to venture an opinion on the DSI evolver - something I'm very new to. The tetra looks a lot better but is too expensive.

Budget is �300 ($550). Considering other hard racks inc' second hand, and soft synths.

I have a steinberg MRX audio interface. I also have a keyboard - Roland fantomx7.

OBJECTIVE - I'm looking for a gritty sound good for rolling mid bases and nice low bases plus searinf leads.

I can get some out of sylenth / gladiator / imposcar and the Roland but I feel there is a better instrument out there for this that will really cut thru the mix. I could be wrong on this and just need to spend even more time editing sounds.

One softsynth I like the look of is ZEBRA 2, one which cryophonik recommends, and indeed one that someone on the anjuna forum has just made an awesome lead with (thanks luke desire).
Someone said I should be able to get the same lead out of Gladiator. I've tried, and it's nearly there (using a separate verb, distortion, heavy eq and a tracs deluxe compressor), but still not as good as that I'm hearing on lukes track using the zebra. The Gladiator lead which I built from the ground up, still sounds somehow soft and slightly less harmonic than I'm after.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler Anyone care to venture an opinion on the DSI evolver -

Evolver Thread

(BTW, the Mono Evolver Keyboard and Evolver desktop are the same synth, just that one has keys/knobs while the other has a matrix-style interface).

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Whats your biggest "urk" about hardware?

i dont know it didnt do it for me, and looking at it afterwards i really dont know what i was thinking. i got myself hardware-synths and drummachines because i wanted to work less on a computer (i had so much shit with windows back in the days, the only thing that never crashed was Reason). The result was even more work at the computer with midi, presets-saving all kinds of shit, man it was frustrating. I wanted to make music like i used to dj; standing up, live, looping etc etc. That shit never happened, not even close, it just became even more troublesome introducing hardware to my already shitty computer. end of chapter one. So i bought myself a DIY computer with great specs at the time (two years ago or something, quad-core etc etc). Installed a fresh XP and no bullshit apps but music related stuff. This computer worked perfectly without any problems at all really. But what the fuck man I couldnt use my hardware synths in Reason? Lol, how dumb was I? So i had to learn a new sequencer in addition to 4 VA-synths and two drummachines, midi-drivers, audio-drivers, my god it drove me crazy. So I sold everything, all the four synths, the two drummachines, the big nasty PC, big Echo soundcard and all midi-devices, headphone amps etc etc. All the shit gonne. And then I bought a mac mini and logic express but since the mac mini was connected to my TV as a mediacenter nothing really happened production-wise. And then this summer i bought macbook pro, and finaly im starting to get back to producing. The longest shit lesson i ever learned but damn worth it (atleast considering future economics). If i ever get a hardware again it must be a groovebox or sequencer or workstation so i can go away from the computer completely. But it also need to have a good interface with the computer in order to export tracks, taking backup etc etc. Its not important though im starting to like making music on computer again because im never having any trouble anymore after getting mac. Thank you apple you saved my life lol. Now look at all the hater-replies in a while.

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Originally posted by cryophonik the other has a matrix-style interface).

I'm not sure I want one of those things installed in the back of my head unless i can learn Kung Fu in 5 seconds.

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Originally posted by Subtle -1

He is right that the most popular modern hardware synths tend to be just subtractive, or subtractive plus very limited FM. Virus is a notable exception, of course. Doesn't mean they're bad, just means that if you want innovative or unusual synthesis techniques the place to look is probably software.

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Originally posted by kitphillips The virus is a great synth, only in that it's presets are really REALLY good, which gives everyone the impression that its fantastic. I don't really think the sound is that great in terms of oscillators or filters, but the presets are programmed so that its incredibly good fun to play with in a shop.

Sounds like a (possibly personal) sound engineering problem. If presets can be made that are great as you described, there is no excuse for them to not be made by others. I don't know if you have checked out OS 3 for the Virus but it added a lot more character to the synth. I can't really hold too strong of an opinion here because its only my second synth to own, but I can tell you right now I will never, ever sell it. I think the Virus sound doesn't get the credit it deserves. It sounds amazing through my Yamaha HS80M's blazing at peak volume. F'ing bass rattling my chest....mmmmmm....

/\ Exactly I don't understand why its so obvious to some people and other people its not.

The virus is a fuckn dirt monster. "Maybe" you can get near sounds on soft synths but you're gonna waste your time fiddling with knobs for hours on end, layering, STILL to find your timbres sound nothing like the virus.

And besides, there is something unique about the virus in its tonal variations that a soft synth simply CAN NOT emulate.
But more then anything, I got the virus to see for myself why it seems the gold standard in trance music.

If I ever hear one of these ss guys saying "I can make a virus sound with my software", I'm gonna bang out a blazing synth line and tell him to eat it. Its not happening. You are in denial.

Virus simply rapes software like z3ta, I'm getting tired of people sticking up for software that cant compensate, its a joke.

for me its more about the whole VA-thing being overrated. u wont be able to make with a virus what i make with malstroem in reason because its wavetables

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Originally posted by palm for me its more about the whole VA-thing being overrated. u wont be able to make with a virus what i make with malstroem in reason because its wavetables

ehm, but yeah.. you can have a virus and use maelstrom and the same time u know.

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Originally posted by Subtle ehm, but yeah.. you can have a virus and use maelstrom and the same time u know.

some can, i couldnt lol.

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