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Originally posted by jennypie You realize there has been minimal long-term research done for the HPV vaccine, too, right? Initially testing wasn't even done on populations outside of girls in their preteens.

if so i wouldnt recommend that vaccine either. But at least the premise is better (preventing cancer) than stopping what amounts to a common flu.

im very happy that i got my h1n1 AND regular flu vaccine.
no problems here (like the rest of the 99.7% of people that got the shot).

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Originally posted by Jayx1 not saying there is nec anything wrong with the shot. To me even a small risk is not worth it to avoid a flu. we simply dont know the long term risks involved with something like this. Id rather prevent cancer or something with a vaccine rather than a flu. I still think the swine flu was hyped up for financial reasons more than anything else. And im glad i didnt get it

there should've been an anti-jayx1 conception vaccine.

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Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers Millions of vaccinations are ordered and millions of high-risk Canadians are inoculated. The pandemic doesn't happen, and foolish reporters call pandemic a dud. Pardon? Government has to make an early decision whether or not to inoculate population against PANDEMIC FLU OUTBREAK early enough so that MANUFACUTRING CAPACITY can be ramped (this stuff doesn't just fall out of the sky) to meet IMMEDIATE demand. Foolish reporters call decision fiscally irresponsible. Pardon? I bet the hardest decision Jayx1 has to make every day is blue or red sprinkles on his morning doughnut. Had this pandemic flu outbreak actually started hammering the population, Jayx1 would be complaining the government hadn't acted early enough given the warnings, and that all non-essential medical treatments should be suspended in order to deal with the outbreak. But hey, it's all so God dammed simple.

Since most canadians still havnt received this shot your point is without merit. The government is not entirely to blame for this although there is definitely a lot of self interest in this for them. Unfortunately a lot of them have been duped as well.

One last thing... no need for the personal attacks just because we disagree on something.

its very unbecoming.

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Originally posted by chinamon there should've been an anti-jayx1 conception vaccine.

your life just wouldnt be the same! LOL

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Originally posted by Jayx1 if so i wouldnt recommend that vaccine either. But at least the premise is better (preventing cancer) than stopping what amounts to a common flu.

Oh, I didn't realize you had special knowledge that gives you the authority to make such recommendations. You've studied bioethics and the Canada Health Act extensively, I presume?

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Originally posted by jennypie Oh, I didn't realize you had special knowledge that gives you the authority to make such recommendations. You've studied bioethics and the Canada Health Act extensively, I presume?

you are the one that suggested that it wasnt tested extensively. I simply responded to that statement.

I ask the same questions of you?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 your life just wouldnt be the same! LOL

haha true.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 you are the one that suggested that it wasnt tested extensively. I simply responded to that statement. I ask the same questions of you?

I'm studying both right now. The point is that your understanding of this issue is lacking depth and breadth, because you seem to think it's as simple as one premise being more important than another. Based on what, exactly? Just because you think so?

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Originally posted by jennypie I'm studying both right now. The point is that your understanding of this issue is lacking depth and breadth, because you seem to think it's as simple as one premise being more important than another. Based on what, exactly? Just because you think so?

it doesnt take a scientist to figure out that cancer is much deadlier than the flu.

Yeah it's just not that simple.

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Originally posted by DeleteFromUsers Pardon? I bet the hardest decision Jayx1 has to make every day is blue or red sprinkles on his morning doughnut.

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Originally posted by House_Vixen

personally i like chocolate more than blue or red LOL

What a fucking WASTE of money:

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Ontario has launched a $650,000 ad campaign to encourage college and university students to roll up their sleeves for the H1N1 flu shot. Ontario's chief medical officer of health, Dr. Arlene King, is encouraging students aged 17 to 24 to "Join the Resistance" against the flu. King says almost half of those hospitalized in Ontario for swine flu are people under 20. However, historically only about 25 per cent of people aged 17-24 get a seasonal flu shot compared to about 50 per cent of the general population. Yet, she says, college and university students are at a greater risk of transmitting the infection because they live and study in close proximity to each other in dormitory rooms and study halls. King says the Ontario government has sent an "email blast" this week to 53 student associations targeting 400,000 students, sent posters aimed at students to health units and is posting advertising on websites to drive students to clinics. She says Ontario is also allowing companies to hire nurses to give out the flu shot at workplaces. King says there have been 97 lab-confirmed H1N1 deaths in Ontario since April, 223 people are currently in hospital, with 55 of them in the intensive care unit and 39 on mechanical ventilators.

Check out these commie looking posters!! bahahahahha

this shit reminds me of the Truman Show!!


http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/ccom...r_campus_en.pdf

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Check out these commie looking posters!! bahahahahha this shit reminds me of the Truman Show!! http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/ccom...r_campus_en.pdf

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Originally posted by Anas Attia

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Originally posted by Skipper So...what about the fact that 84 people have died from the virus?

more people die from the seasonal flu than from the h1n1 flu

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Originally posted by Jayx1 it doesnt take a scientist to figure out that cancer is much deadlier than the flu.

wasn't it a strain of h1n1 that caused like 100m deaths in early 20th century? what's to stop this strain from mutating into another one of those..?

His point is bunk regardless.

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Originally posted by jennypie His point is bunk regardless.

Sorry Jen doll but I really don't think a lot of you get his point...








Please don't hit me...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Check out these commie looking posters!! bahahahahha this shit reminds me of the Truman Show!! http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/ccom...r_campus_en.pdf

This poster is fucking retarded...

I understand his point perfectly well. The problem, however, with the point that he thinks he's making is that he lacks a thorough understanding of the bioethical principles that underpin issues like this and guide the decision making process in our health care system. I mean, really? He truly believes it's all just a government scam to get cash?? Pretty elementary/narrow/uninformed viewpoint. And gathering information that caters to one's personal agenda doesn't make you well informed, it makes you biased, and it's pretty obvious that Jay only looks to validate his own beliefs.

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Originally posted by mute79 wasn't it a strain of h1n1 that caused like 100m deaths in early 20th century? what's to stop this strain from mutating into another one of those..?

Hygiene, for one. More importantly, the Spanish flu was bird flu, not swine flu. The more recent bird flu is H5N1 but doesn't seem to be capable of human transmission; thus, it's deadly, unlike the swine flu, but not pandemic.

Just as there's nothing to "stop" this strain from mutating into something with a higher mortality rate, there's nothing to "stop" the avian flu from mutating into something more contagious. Or to stop the swine flu from mutating into something less severe, for that matter; death tends to work against faster-acting viruses, such that milder strains are more likely to survive because they get passed on more, and subsequently build up an immunity in their hosts to the stronger strains.

The question isn't really what's stopping it from mutating into a deadlier virus, the question is how likely is such a mutation to occur, and how easily would it be transmitted. Colds and seasonal flu mutate constantly but almost never become fatal on their own.

50 million doses for a population of 35 million...

Ridiculous $650,000 ad campaigns...

Obvious media fear mongering USA style...

Long history of kickbacks in all forms of government...

It just seems very fishy...

I never trust high pressure tactics...

I'll probably end up paying over 35k in fed tax this year...

This is not where I wanted that money to go...

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