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Originally posted by isrefel alot of producer want the quick and easy route...there is none. you can produce phat sound on almost any vst... its all about learning sound design....then a couple of years down the line invest on a virus if you like that sound. Do not buy if you magical think it going to make ure tunes better cau u will be disappointed isrefel

i agree somewhat,
however.. . i would prefer to spend the majority of my time making the melody and the rest of the track than hours making one sound on a VST. with the virus its alot quicker to get "that" sound IMO.
so yes i can see ppl thinking once they get this there music will be automatically AWESOME and they will get signed and be drinking with armin in no time - this isnt true. but i think that it can help improve your songs. my songs have improved since i got it. quite alot actually as i can finally use some real nice sounding leads in them and it sounds professional. and i dont have to spend so much time doing this on vsts (as i find it takes more time to get it sounding "real")
e.g since i got my virus i have had more interest in my songs from labels. obviously the main reason is because the songs are better than they were BUT the virus has made a difference for me personally in regards to that "real" sound IMO

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Originally posted by johncannons1 i agree somewhat, however.. . i would prefer to spend the majority of my time making the melody and the rest of the track than hours making one sound on a VST. with the virus its alot quicker to get "that" sound. so yes i can see ppl thinking once they get this there music will be automatically AWESOME and they will get signed and be drinking with armin in no time. but i think that this is not always the case. as my songs have improved since i got it. quite alot actually as i can finally use some real nice sounding leads in them and it sounds professional. e.g since i got my virus i have had more interest from labels by songs. obviously the main reason is because the songs are better than they were BUT the virus has made a big difference for me personally IMO

I was just about to write a very similar response. First, I don't think that there are very many people out there thinking that buying a Virus will turn them into a superstar overnight - there are far more people making the obvious statement that it won't (e.g., isrefel), than there are asking if it will in my observations. Second, I think johncannons1 pretty much nailed it - a Virus (or any other tool) can improve your songs, even if it's doing something as simple as inspiring you to try something new, looking at something (e.g., sound design) a whole new way, or making mundane tasks more enjoyable and/or with incrementally better results.

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Originally posted by isrefel ... its all about learning sound design....then a couple of years down the line invest on a virus if you like that sound

I wasn't aware that you can't learn sound design on a Virus or other hardware. Apparently, the rules have changed over the past 30 years and now you must become certified with software before the International Committee on Sound Design will issue you a hardware license?

I took me almost a year to actually find good use for the Virus, i also got a Moog, which took me 6 months to find useful.
I have a JP 8000 as well which is about 3 years old and i still havent found good use of it (except as midi controller) lol.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I wasn't aware that you can't learn sound design on a Virus or other hardware. Apparently, the rules have changed over the past 30 years and now you must become certified with software before the International Committee on Sound Design will issue you a hardware license?

HAHAHA

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Originally posted by Anakratis Thanks guys, I actually got a good deal on eBay. Purchased secondhand, a Used Access Virus TI Desktop for $1100. You guys think it's a good deal?

Nope.

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Originally posted by Existo22 Nope.

Any explanation?, reason?, opinion?

If he believe this is a good deal, than it is IMO.

he'll probs get one once he's sold that Roland and vinyl he 'forgot he was selling'

I sold my Virus about 8 weeks ago. It's the best 'overrated' thing i've ever had.

i wouldnt see why that isnt a good deal.

my virus keyboard was 4500$ aud

and that was the cheapest i could get in aus.
haha

the problem with being stuck on a island at the bottom of the world.

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Any explanation?, reason?, opinion?

I will let you figure this out on your own.

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Originally posted by Existo22 I will let you figure this out on your own.

I'm the third person in this thread who hasn't figured it out.

In fact, the only thing I HAVE figured out is that you are an idiot.
Its VERY rare to see a ti desktop going for under $1000 used.

It happens yeh but to say its not a good deal for $1100 just makes you look like a cheap angry bastard, not someone who actually knows something about hardware or is on this forum to help people.

And what makes you look even smarter is offering 1 word responses when people are clearly looking for explanations WHY. He could have essentially learned more if a gerbil had answered him.

Now hmm.. I wonder what existo will say next.. could it be something completely off topic and insulting ooo I wonder

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Originally posted by Existo22 I will let you figure this out on your own.

Thank you Existo22.

This is really helpful. I just expected little bit more out of you man, oh well, actually, never mind.

I'd say it isn't worth it.

You are right, I came to the same conclusion.

i think most saying it isn't worth it probably don't take into account the price of software. The virus is not a bad purchase and will retain a portion of its value. A good software synth will cost around 400$ and it will be worth nothing in 2 years. I think software is sort of the luxury for professionals that can keep buying the updates. It sounds a little backwards but alot of hardware seems more geared towards intermediate producers that don't really make money but have enough to buy a few things here and there. Software is more like leasing.

The last "big" studios I have been in have really lost all those synth racks that they probably had only 5 years prior. It is more practical and they can get the same results with a vst that takes up zero space. The studios were not EDM specific but sound design did play an integral part of the work. I personally don't enjoy the sight of hardware and prefer a more natural looking studio with art and furniture but if you are on a budget, getting a virus B isn't such a bad idea. I remember getting one for 800 years ago so i'm pretty sure you could find them for 500 or so.

Well to put things into perspective I bought a DX7 mk1 in 1989 for �800

existo is a complete tool, who on earth comes on a trance production forum bragging about being a rapper with a �250k car and big muscles my this is why i hate rap do you realise you just ticked the stereotype asshole box right?

Yoyoyo trance homies i dont produce or anythin i got ma bitches to do dat shit for me, im a rapper dawg got my beef on too ya get me, still doh my ride is pimped, seriously foo' 50k on non performance enhancin stickers an shit, oh and buy my second hand keyboad on ebay got some weed burns but you knwo dats shits good man!

Dont hate the game hate da playaaaaaaa!

Please come to england, please.

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Originally posted by Sonic_c Dont hate the game hate da playaaaaaaa!

Don't feed the troll.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Don't feed the troll.

Sorry he is a troll though in the true sense!

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Originally posted by Sonic_c existo is a complete tool, who on earth comes on a trance production forum bragging about being a rapper with a �250k car and big muscles my this is why i hate rap do you realise you just ticked the stereotype asshole box right? Yoyoyo trance homies i dont produce or anythin i got ma bitches to do dat shit for me, im a rapper dawg got my beef on too ya get me, still doh my ride is pimped, seriously foo' 50k on non performance enhancin stickers an shit, oh and buy my second hand keyboad on ebay got some weed burns but you knwo dats shits good man! Dont hate the game hate da playaaaaaaa! Please come to england, please.

This is pure gold right here.
I never listened to him enough to hear him make any of those comments, but that would suffice a nobel prize for trolls I think..

have been fortunate and have never had any problems with my second hand purchased Virus TI desktop. It was previously owned by Kevin Rudolf so I'm sure it got a lot of use, but zero problems since the day I got it. I am using OS 3.3 on Windows Vista and XP and using the USB route. The Virus is easily worth the price tag in my opinion. Not only are its sounds amazing, but it relieves a lot of your CPU from big voice sounds which is something I think people tend to overlook and forget about. Atmospheric sounds that used to chew up 25% of my processor alone are no more!

It's really a do-it-all machine. All I have used lately is Trillian and my Virus. Great, great production instruments.

Robby you have probably posted this somewhere else but what setup are you running? I recall you using FLS which I'm guessing is the main culprit here. The "it is too buggy for macs" problem was addressed with the most recent update.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Robby you have probably posted this somewhere else but what setup are you running? I recall you using FLS which I'm guessing is the main culprit here. The "it is too buggy for macs" problem was addressed with the most recent update.

Yep it is FL Studio. I know people claim TI's are worse on FL then anything else but this can also just be a myth.
If you go over to the Access forums people are complaining about everything in general it seems, not just FL.

Maybe FL has a larger user base and it just appears like that to some people, but I just can't say how true it really is. With that aside though it seems like the problem was resolved. At least I found that on FL you can only record the Virus using it as an input in the channels, and not being able to render to wav is actually the way its suppose to be.
All I cared about was that I could record in general so I'm psyched about that. My brother also said he got the latency down at least 98%. Thats huge news too so I can't wait to pick it up tommorow and see what he did.
All and all it seems the snow was a real bitch to get working *correctly in FL, but right now its apparently working perfectly. So I'm looking forward to really having some fun with it in these next few weeks (on break).

why don't you try it on another DAW. Is FL really that much of a dealbreaker ?

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Originally posted by RichieV why don't you try it on another DAW. Is FL really that much of a dealbreaker ?

If I never rectified the problem then yeh I prob would have, I plan on it anyway, but its working great so no point as of right now.

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