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Originally posted by Fledz Not exactly the safest procedure around.

And? The point is it can be done.

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Originally posted by Ian Ask Sarah Palin?

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Originally posted by jennypie And? The point is it can be done.

It can kill the child. You think most parents want to risk the child just so they can find out whether it's normal? It's easy to say yes now but it wouldn't be quite so easy when it's your own child.

Well I know that it's done all the time without problems. Of course there are risks, but (up here, anyway) I haven't heard of any deaths caused by amniotic testing.

i would eat it. preferably when he or she is still young and tender and juicy.

Even assuming I wanted a child to begin with, I would unhesitatingly euthanize my child if s/he were of even average intelligence...

One of my close friends works part-time at a group home for autistic kids. There are 4 boys aged 16-18, full horomones raging and one very low-functioning (doesn't talk and drools a lot), two are fairly high-functioning but have been put in the home because they get aggressive and have beat the shit out of their parents or siblings at one time or another. The other one is just plain fucked and suffers from pika (eats anything he sees) and repeats lines from Disney movies on a regular basis.

I would be the last one to admit this, because up until about a year ago, I honestly hated anyone with mental disabilities - I just wanted them out of my sight, they scared me and I couldn't stand them.

After spending time with these boys, I swear my outlook on this issue has done a complete 180. You just look at these people and you can't help but feel that they are trapped within a body that is not allowing them to function properly. They feel and they absorb so much around them and they have the ability to fascinate you to no end. One of them is amazing with complex mathematics, but he still shits his pants. One of them eats pipe cleaners, but he can play advanced pieces on the guitar.

I have seen someone who has been diagnosed as a low-functioning person with autism develop and progress and achieve way beyond what medical experts have said they could ever achieve. Witnessing this is nothing short of rewarding. You feel privileged to have been a part of this person's life.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit If i became a quadrepeligate i wouldn't want to be euthanized

If you became a what?

I think we're looking for "quadriplegic" as in paralysis in arms and legs.

yes?

I'm gonna have to side with Jenny on this one. Preach it, sista.

imo

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Originally posted by Domesticated If you became a what?

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Originally posted by jennypie I would have the amniotic fluid tested in the early stages of labour and avoid it altogether.

The early stages of labour? Isn't that like a couple of hours before the baby comes out? It'd be handier to wait until he/she is born.

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Originally posted by donegalredneck The early stages of labour? Isn't that like a couple of hours before the baby comes out? It'd be handier to wait until he/she is born.

Oops, yeah. I meant pregnancy.

Re: Your kid turns out to be (heavily) retarded..

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Originally posted by Frenkieee One that has absolutely 0,0 contribution to society

you are fucking stupid.

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Originally posted by R!CH imo

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Originally posted by Ania_xox One of my close friends works part-time at a group home for autistic kids. There are 4 boys aged 16-18, full horomones raging and one very low-functioning (doesn't talk and drools a lot), two are fairly high-functioning but have been put in the home because they get aggressive and have beat the shit out of their parents or siblings at one time or another. The other one is just plain fucked and suffers from pika (eats anything he sees) and repeats lines from Disney movies on a regular basis. I would be the last one to admit this, because up until about a year ago, I honestly hated anyone with mental disabilities - I just wanted them out of my sight, they scared me and I couldn't stand them. After spending time with these boys, I swear my outlook on this issue has done a complete 180. You just look at these people and you can't help but feel that they are trapped within a body that is not allowing them to function properly. They feel and they absorb so much around them and they have the ability to fascinate you to no end. One of them is amazing with complex mathematics, but he still shits his pants. One of them eats pipe cleaners, but he can play advanced pieces on the guitar. I have seen someone who has been diagnosed as a low-functioning person with autism develop and progress and achieve way beyond what medical experts have said they could ever achieve. Witnessing this is nothing short of rewarding. You feel privileged to have been a part of this person's life.

I feel ya.

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Originally posted by shuni you are fucking stupid.

Hey, Darwin got the idea. The struggle for life, survival of the fittest.. these expressions make sense to me.

Having a 7-year-old sister who is heavily affected by some sort of autism-spectrum disorder definitely adds me to the "inside perspective" crew here.

We had no idea when she was born that she would still not use a toilet by age 7, or have immediate and delayed echolalia, or have ehlers-danlos syndrome, or speak mostly in third-person.

However, as difficult as some things are (for both her and us as her family), I would not say that she has anything remotely close to a poor quality of life. She's almost always pleasant and happy (probably even more than a typical 7-year-old), and really, what more could we ask for?

I find it perfectly rational to leave religious views out of the matter entirely, and still feel like it is not my job to decide whether or not a person wishes to have a chance at life.

Granted, not every situation is like my sister's. Just another perspective on the matter.

Why kill it when you could teach it to fetch and post on TA?

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Why kill it when you could teach it to fetch and post on TA?

I know it's not quite the same, but my girlfriend's mother has fairly advanced MS - she can't walk, stand up right, or use her hands adequately (unless it's to hold a pipe ). She can still scoot around to the bathtub, change her own clothes, etc. Maybe even prepare herself a meal sometimes, but generally it's up to my girlfriend to do a great deal of things for her, even prepare meals for her particularly picky appetite. She's no burden though - taking care of her is just a task, kind of like feeding yourself or doing other chores that have to be done.

I know it would be different having to wait on somebody hand and foot, never being able to let them out of your sight lest they hurt themselves, but I think that being in the situation will definitely change your mind about things. I don't blame Jenny for her stance in the least, indeed, I completely agree with her that preventing that situation is the most beneficial to absolutely every party involved and the choice to euthanize in certain scenarios is the logical one. But in situations like david.michael's for example, I could never bring myself to do what's logical. If you can't even get the sympathy to well up in you, then the hard logic of killing your own children and the measures instilled into us by our status as primarily social apes would probably stop you.

I obviously do not have any children of my own, but I know enough to know that having your own can change your perspective entirely. I would want to do what's best for me as well, but I think the benefit of knowing that I showed my offspring every bit of support and privelage I could muster would far exceed the lifelong contemplation and shame of what could have been. It can't be called sacrifice when the benefit outweighs the costs.

Nobody is autonomous anyways. And yes, this is coming from an island.

Indeed. I agree completely, and that's why I used the words "it depends" in every post. I think the only point I'm really trying to make is that if I HAD to do something like that/make that choice, I would find it within myself to be able to do so.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On . But in situations like david.michael's for example, I could never bring myself to do what's logical.

I should probably specify that she is fairly functioning, all things considered. She probably won't ever be able to live independently, but she isn't the type of special needs child that sits around and drools on herself every day. It's almost like she's a normal kid, but 2 or 3 years old instead of 7.

Not that it really matters, just didn't want to make the situation into being something that it's not.

Oh, I didn't assume as such. Each and every person has their varying degrees of platitudes, whether they are capable of acknowledging this or not. It truly matters little in the end.

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