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Music is a reflection of our minds. As if we (our music) were shown naked in front of thousands. Well that's how it should be in a perfect world.

The more eye-catching we look, the more people will love the music. That's nowadays confusion. If the rockstar dj was in a rolling-chair just like many other talented dj's, I'm not sure he'd be a superstar!

It took me about 3 years to change my perception of the music world as it is today. 3 years is like a century in this world. But I can tell you one thing, now time has come to stop scratching the surface. The transition should be over, for everyone.

On a personal note, I admit that I don't like 50% of what I've released. I feel personally responsible of this huge mess we're into, by releasing too much music that didn't reflect my personal taste. It made me feel horrible.

The last 2 months I discovered so much good music thanks to friends around, I couldn't believe my eyes and obviously my ears. That music had been there like forever, but it was hidden under piles of crap.

Unfortunately, it looks like that's the only way forward today. As an artist, you really have to throw something at people's faces and shout louder than the hot-looking noob doing fastfood music. It's crude but that's today's reality.

So the idea of a proper education for the next generation came naturally. That's how I became a part-time teacher, which opened my eyes.

Don't blame people for liking what they hear right now, they don't know any better. And as an artist, if you think you don't get the success or the credit you deserve, only blame yourself, that is because you haven't been able to bring enough people together around it.

Music is there to bring people together.

Wake up guys, we've never been that close to a new GOLDEN age in music.

Just out of curosity what is the new music your listening to Lolo.

well, stuff I like right now is a little bit far away from trance or even dance but it's still electronic music. There's solar fields, trifonic, telefon tel aviv, jon hopkins, and many others.

In the 1950's people harked back to the music and film of the 30's

In the 60's people harked back to the rocknroll of the 50's

In the 90's I recall many radio staion phone ins where people said music was all bad and we needed to get back to the 70's


In 25 millions years time people will hark back not to the tracne of 1995, but to the trance 15 years prior to thier moan

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Originally posted by Lolo well, stuff I like right now is a little bit far away from trance or even dance but it's still electronic music. There's solar fields, trifonic, telefon tel aviv, jon hopkins, and many others.

so, stuff like chill out and ambient? Yeah, I'm into that too these days. Di.fm chillout or space music channels are just about all I listen to.

I like your introspective, but I think you're too harsh - if following your logic "music brings ppl together", I feel your music does it rather well. I, as well as many others enjoy it immensely.

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Originally posted by Lyft musically speaking, these days trance is fucking sweet!

lol noob

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Originally posted by floyd741 lol noob

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Originally posted by aNYthing so, stuff like chill out and ambient? Yeah, I'm into that too these days. Di.fm chillout or space music channels are just about all I listen to. I like your introspective, but I think you're too harsh - if following your logic "music brings ppl together", I feel your music does it rather well. I, as well as many others enjoy it immensely.

Agreed, you've made great music Lolo.

Although, sometimes I wish you'd WAKE THE FVCK UP...
























































































































And put a BANGIn' DONK ON iT!

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Originally posted by Fledz We're talking about the production, not the composition. Learn what the difference is. I do agree with you on the "waaaaaaaah waaaaaaaah everything back in the day was better" bullshit though. Guess what? It's not new and it's not exclusive to EDM. Get used to the elitist and hipster fags in any genre.

i am well aware of the difference, and even though music may be grossly overcompressed these days, other elements of their engineering is still profoundly better then it was 15 years ago, or even 5 years ago.
individual sounds nowdays are (generally) clearer, sit in their own space better, are better crafted, and more textured then they were previously.

and why should people get used to others who are clearly being destructive? why accept the negative because you don't think you can do anything about it? it is because no-one thinks they can do anything about it that everyone does nothing about it.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
- Edmund Burke

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Originally posted by KilldaDJ so how does that work out then, genius?

did i say anything about the engineering or mastering? no. i commented on the musical content, or the actual writing of it.

the way i see it, creating music like this is done in 3 stages:
writing - where the melodies, counter melodies, and harmonies are created.
production - where the arrangement and instrumentation for the melodic content is implemented.
engineering - the application of effects and dynamics processors to allow each sound to sit in it's own space so that the whole piece of music sounds as asthetically pleasing as possible.

next time try to look at more then just the surface of things in front of you. that way you'll be less likely to miss the point.

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Originally posted by floyd741 lol noob

thank you for that insightful piece of commentary, however did you come up with it? one's imagination can barely fathom the years of tuition under a master scholar, followed by decades of meditation and introspective investigation, required to provide us with such a sublime and profound statement as that which you have delivered.

praise be to you, my life is now complete

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Originally posted by Lyft look at the top 50 trance tunes of 2009 on beatport, and you'll find a plenty of variety.

i love when people prove themself not worth listening to.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler In the 1950's people harked back to the music and film of the 30's In the 60's people harked back to the rocknroll of the 50's In the 90's I recall many radio staion phone ins where people said music was all bad and we needed to get back to the 70's In 25 millions years time people will hark back not to the tracne of 1995, but to the trance 15 years prior to thier moan

pff no one complained in the 90s, nor the late 60s and early 70s. u dont know shit.

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Originally posted by palm i love when people prove themself not worth listening to.

i don't claim to be any great purveyor of knowledge in regards to trance, but even i can see plenty of diversity there.
perhaps your problem is that you're too closed minded to appreciate more subtle changes in themes and subtext, and only open to accept the perversely obvious when it's thrust into your face under neon lights like the rest of the populous of this fear-driven consumer society we live in.

^

What he said.

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Originally posted by Lyft perhaps your problem

how u figured i have a problem?

This is the best motherfucking track of 2009, its an overcompressed Insomnia rip-off and it fucking rocks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMnpBqMY0-U

If you dont like it, fuck you and go listen to this instead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyvR...feature=related

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Originally posted by alanzo Don't be so pessimistic. EDM these days IS shit because it's way too easy for some moron to try and be a DJ Hero and make some tunes. Let the DJ be your guide. Find a favorite DJ and listen to his sets. They'll do the picking for you and then you don't have to go through all the crap music.

I agree with you on what the problem is (way too easy to make crappy music), but I disagree that DJs are the solution. Rather, I think that they are responsible for an entirely different problem.

It is very difficult to find decent trance music that does not have a full 2 minutes (1 minute intro, 1 minute outro) of nothing but the kick drum and some basic percussion. I understand why DJ mixes need this when playing music in the club, but if I listen to 10 trance tracks in my car on a drive, I have listened to 20 minutes of nothing but empty percussion. That sucks and needs to change. People need to stop making music for DJs and start making music that normal people want to hear. Let DJ's worry about mixing the tracks for dance sets and focus on making a great song.

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Originally posted by helion I agree with you on what the problem is (way too easy to make crappy music), but I disagree that DJs are the solution. Rather, I think that they are responsible for an entirely different problem. It is very difficult to find decent trance music that does not have a full 2 minutes (1 minute intro, 1 minute outro) of nothing but the kick drum and some basic percussion. I understand why DJ mixes need this when playing music in the club, but if I listen to 10 trance tracks in my car on a drive, I have listened to 20 minutes of nothing but empty percussion. That sucks and needs to change. People need to stop making music for DJs and start making music that normal people want to hear. Let DJ's worry about mixing the tracks for dance sets and focus on making a great song.

This is one of the things i love about this music, long intros, buildups, smooth transistions and such, a track can really tell a good story.
There is enough DJ mixes and compilations for this to not be a huge problem, and the best of all, you can always make your own mix.

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Originally posted by Subtle This is the best motherfucking track of 2009, its an overcompressed Insomnia rip-off and it fucking rocks! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMnpBqMY0-U

Fail.

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Originally posted by Subtle and the best of all, you can always make your own mix.

+1

or you can always edit a track to start with a fade into the 33rd bar and fade out the outro if you really feel this strongly about intros and outros. It takes like 30 seconds to do, you jsut gotta stop being lazy

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Originally posted by Nightshift +1 or you can always edit a track to start with a fade into the 33rd bar and fade out the outro if you really feel this strongly about intros and outros. It takes like 30 seconds to do, you jsut gotta stop being lazy

That's easy to say to someone like me who has the technology to do it. But, people wonder why Trance is losing popularity - normal people do not want 2 minutes of intro/outro when listening to a song. For christ's sake, even as someone who loves the music and has the technology - I do not want to sit down in front of Logic editing someone else's track so I can listen to it in my car - that is the original artist's job! If I am doing anything on my DAW, its going to be editing my own stuff.

I know several people who enjoy trance tracks (once they get going), but they all have the same reaction when a song starts - they want to change the station or MP3 after hearing nothing but the kick drum for 10 seconds. Unfortunately, people have short attention spans and get bored after listening to a kick for a few seconds, much less 32 bars.

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Originally posted by helion - I do not want to sit down in front of Logic editing someone else's track so I can listen to it in my car -

then stop complaining and deal with it.

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Originally posted by helion That's easy to say to someone like me who has the technology to do it. But, people wonder why Trance is losing popularity - normal people do not want 2 minutes of intro/outro when listening to a song. For christ's sake, even as someone who loves the music and has the technology - I do not want to sit down in front of Logic editing someone else's track so I can listen to it in my car - that is the original artist's job! If I am doing anything on my DAW, its going to be editing my own stuff. I know several people who enjoy trance tracks (once they get going), but they all have the same reaction when a song starts - they want to change the station or MP3 after hearing nothing but the kick drum for 10 seconds. Unfortunately, people have short attention spans and get bored after listening to a kick for a few seconds, much less 32 bars.

Almost every commercial trance/dance track has this, because of this exact reason.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Subtle
This is the best motherfucking track of 2009, its an overcompressed Insomnia rip-off and it fucking rocks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMnpBqMY0-U

i like the tune but it is certainly not the best of 2009 imo for once armins fans got it right it is tuvan

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Originally posted by helion I know several people who enjoy trance tracks (once they get going), but they all have the same reaction when a song starts - they want to change the station or MP3 after hearing nothing but the kick drum for 10 seconds. Unfortunately, people have short attention spans and get bored after listening to a kick for a few seconds, much less 32 bars.

Compilations such as dream dance cater to this audience - the songs are, with the odd exception, 3.5 minute to 4 minute "radio" versions.

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Originally posted by derail Compilations such as dream dance cater to this audience - the songs are, with the odd exception, 3.5 minute to 4 minute "radio" versions.

quite often when i play my music to friends who arent really into djing and only like things like trance classic compilations they ask me to fastforward it to the main bit, i dont play them to them now unless its a party and im djing some people dont get the build up i suppose

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