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don't forget Fallwell's response to 9-11..

Oh, Lira:

The teacher said that wasn't true, because the kid wouldn't kill his own mother if there were no consequences in life and no afterlife. The kid said if there were no consequences he would, if it would help him get ahead.

I know this is a troll, but the scary thing is a lot of people think this way.

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Originally posted by Lews I know, there are a few I'm rather fond of, but the shear stupidity of so many of them makes me cry. Someone in my ethics class today say that if god didn't exist and there were no legal ramifications of what he did he would go apeshit and kill everybody to get his way and be rich. I'm glad he just told everyone that the only reason he doesn't is because he doesn't want to go to hell, though. Bloody moron..

you should have told him that altruism predates religion. when we were all neanderthals roaming the wild unknown, those with altruistic qualities lived in cooperative groups and their women and children survived long enough to reproduce living in the relative safety of their like-minded peers while the greedy, apeshit homicidal maniac was eaten by sabertooth tigers.

Text Haiti to 9099 to donate $10 to red cross int'l response fund.

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Originally posted by Lira I wasn't talking about your beliefs earlier but, now that you drew my attention to what you're saying, I'm curious: Would you say anything at all to justify the fact that God both allowed this to happen and is now with those suffering and grieving?

Hal asked me why God smote the Haitians; my belief is that God didn't smite anyone; rather, God is digging people out of the rubble, tending to the wounded, loading supplies on an airplane, comforting the dieing and mourners, etc. I don't believe that God acts directly; rather, inspires others to act. In short, I do not believe in divine intervention other then a few exceptional acts of revalation; only divine inspiration.

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Originally posted by R!CH you should have told him that altruism predates religion. when we were all neanderthals roaming the wild unknown, those with altruistic qualities lived in cooperative groups and their women and children survived long enough to reproduce living in the relative safety of their like-minded peers while the greedy, apeshit homicidal maniac was eaten by sabertooth tigers.

Interesting arugument except for two rather large flaws... 1) the Neanderthals had a reasonably well developed religion, 2) living in cooperative groups in order to acheive a measure of safety from preditorial animals is more a survival instinct then altruism, no?

BTW, all evidence suggests we are not decendants of Neanderthals, as it seems that Homo Sapiens Sapiens and Homo Sapien Neanderthals did not interbread or intermix.

Pat Robertson is about as misguided (or misguiding) as they come.

I want to hear the Westborough Baptist Church's views on this.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Interesting arugument except for two rather large flaws... 1) the Neanderthals had a reasonably well developed religion, 2) living in cooperative groups in order to acheive a measure of safety from preditorial animals is more a survival instinct then altruism, no? BTW, all evidence suggests we are not decendants of Neanderthals, as it seems that Homo Sapiens Sapiens and Homo Sapien Neanderthals did not interbread or intermix.

The point still stands though because altruism predates culture, and even the genus homo. And yes, you could call it an instinct, but I don't see the problem with that.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Interesting arugument except for two rather large flaws... 1) the BTW, all evidence suggests we are not decendants of Neanderthals, as it seems that Homo Sapiens Sapiens and Homo Sapien Neanderthals did not interbread or intermix.

Evidence does suggest that Neanderthals and Sapiens did live in the same area, now Great Britain, at the same time. Most recent studies do suggest that we are not decendants but I wouldn't fully exclude that some Sapiens didn't get freaky with the Neanderthals....shit I would.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Evidence does suggest that Neanderthals and Sapiens did live in the same area, now Great Britain, at the same time. Most recent studies do suggest that we are not decendants but I wouldn't fully exclude that some Sapiens didn't get freaky with the Neanderthals....shit I would.

She begs to differ:



The whole series is worth watching, by the way, though the last bit about South America did bother me a bit. She was looking at some Brazilians as if we were the final destination and whatnot, but it's blatantly obvious that the editor forgot to mention that there's very little of the native population here today - the reason why so many of us look European/African is because not many generations ago, our ancestors lived in these continents!

Well, Pat Robertson has this all figured out. Haiti is cursed because they worship the devil!



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/...e_n_422099.html

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Originally posted by Krypton Well, Pat Robertson has this all figured out. Haiti is cursed because they worship the devil! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/...e_n_422099.html

Welcome to yesterday!

I went to Haiti once....



















Thats all the insight i can share on this matter.

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Originally posted by woscar Welcome to yesterday!

??? Und Haben ein...

quit posting fags out of your photo album

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Originally posted by leph555 quit posting fags out of your photo album

I thought you of all people would like my wank bank?

oh boy we do!

it's just that we actually need to see the cocks to get aroused

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Originally posted by leph555 oh boy we do! it's just that we actually need to see the cocks to get aroused

Didn't want a ban. Check your pm's.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Interesting arugument except for two rather large flaws... 1) the Neanderthals had a reasonably well developed religion, 2) living in cooperative groups in order to acheive a measure of safety from preditorial animals is more a survival instinct then altruism, no? BTW, all evidence suggests we are not decendants of Neanderthals, as it seems that Homo Sapiens Sapiens and Homo Sapien Neanderthals did not interbread or intermix.

homo erectus which existed 2 million years ago behaved in the same manner. maybe they were religious too, but religious in their context probably meant superstitious about natural phenomena such as the sunrise and sunset. i highly doubt that if they were religious, that meant they had a morality that was explicitly mandated by a god.

so my point stands. to say that religion gave us morality is to say that people are naturally savage creatures with no intrinsic moral compass. it implies that religion is responsible for civilized social interaction. it assumes that it is impossible for people to coexist with each other without a religious guideline. i wonder how it is then that atheists refrain from raping everyone they can't attract, murdering everyone they can't get along with and stealing from everyone that has something they can't have? religion exists because not every person has the mental facilities to empathize with others or deal with their own mortality. those people need their religion to cope with such shortcomings.

some squirrels are altruistic

im going to haiti on tuesday o_o

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Originally posted by Marcus Summers im going to haiti on tuesday o_o

great place to vacation!

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Originally posted by leph555 great place to vacation!

more like a rapid deployment for humanitarian aid.

but sure... a vacation.

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