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Originally posted by Special K yea im kind of bored of it ... im quite enjoying the funky / disco house resurgance

i never even really liked it...
but i'm full on board the disco-influenced resurgence

One of my currnet faves is Chris Jylkke <--- check 'em out
his newest MIX

I think part of the problem is people releasing tracks as "DJ Tools / Dance Tracks" first, and "good music" second.

If every song sounds the same, has the same structure, etc - it's easier to be played by less-skilled DJs and more likely to result in higher ratings on beat port/whatever.

Load up the latest Vengeance Tech-House sample CD, cut up a few loops, layer a few effects in from Ableton and slap-on a preset baseline and you have a track that sounds like every other / mixes into every other track out there.

While I will admit I've done similar playing around with loops/etc before, it's nothing I'd release (or feel proud of releasing) - but more as learning points to production / structure / etc.

It's almost shocking how quickly you can build up a 'danceable' (but not necessarily good) track.

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Originally posted by Ferg Are tech-house and minimal the same thing? either way they suck. I've maybe heard like 1 or 2 songs I didn't mind, la mescal or whatever. We need more choice in music for after hours.

No, tech-house and minimal are not the same thing. Minimal and "Minimal techno" are not the same thing. Mind you, much of what is passed off as "minimal techno" these days isn't very minimal, or very techno either.

I love Ishkurs write-up of tech-house:

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You'd think that a hybrid genre combining the best qualities of House and Techno would be totally rad, but it's not. In actual fact, Tech House comes out mostly as a dull, monotonous drone (something Tech House was the undisputed king of until only recently, when the technique of making boring music was surpassed by the pretentious Brit House scene calling itself only "progressive"), with barely enough going for it to make it interesting. It's like it decided to combine the worst qualities of Techno and House. Why the hell it would do that, I don't know. But it's been around, like, forever, and people keep making it, so someone somewhere has to be listening/buying/dancing/spinning all those Tech House records. I have yet to find anyone though (Tripwire, shut up).

Terry Francis is generally given credit for starting the trend, but I've never found his shtick to be particularly appealing. There's mos def some quality Tech-House out there, you have to look to the likes of The Timewriter and Terry Lee Brown Jr. for a decent representation of the genre. Maas put out a bunch of solid releases on Soma as well.

I'm regurgitating a few people's posts here but tech house is a really broad genre and I'm positive that what most people on here would consider tech house isn't the good kind of tech house but the trendy one that everyone jumped on about a year, maybe year and a half ago.

Seriously though; go out there and find what you like. Stop waiting for the spoon to come and feed you the latest musical trends. There's way better music out there than what's "in" at the moment.

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Originally posted by kaniz No, tech-house and minimal are not the same thing. Minimal and "Minimal techno" are not the same thing. Mind you, much of what is passed off as "minimal techno" these days isn't very minimal, or very techno either.

+1
Couldn't have said it better myself....

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Good music is, well, good. I like good music.

^5

Good Music FTW




I don't mind tech-house... But it's all about variety. If you keep going to the same kinds of parties or downloading the same kinds of sets of course you are going to get bored.

But this is Toronto... We are pretty fucking spoiled. You can easily get a healthy dose of every genre each month.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Tech house is on its way out. Make way for booty bass.

I have actually experienced this once full on in Detroit. (by accident. ) It truly is something to behold. Its like hip hop house at 150 bpm and um there is definitely some shaking going on. (But only once)

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Originally posted by kaniz I think part of the problem is people releasing tracks as "DJ Tools / Dance Tracks" first, and "good music" second. If every song sounds the same, has the same structure, etc - it's easier to be played by less-skilled DJs and more likely to result in higher ratings on beat port/whatever. Load up the latest Vengeance Tech-House sample CD, cut up a few loops, layer a few effects in from Ableton and slap-on a preset baseline and you have a track that sounds like every other / mixes into every other track out there. While I will admit I've done similar playing around with loops/etc before, it's nothing I'd release (or feel proud of releasing) - but more as learning points to production / structure / etc. It's almost shocking how quickly you can build up a 'danceable' (but not necessarily good) track.

Agreed. Technology has made it easier to come up with tracks that fit that sound, and now the barriers to entry to sell a track are much less than they were a few years back when you had to get signed by a label and have a record pressed, promoted, distributed etc.

It is funny to go through tracks on beatport these days and listen to multiple tracks (in almost any genre) and not hear a single melody. Just beats, bass, hi hats, hi hats close together (build up) no hi hats (breakdown) then more beats.

However there is tons of great music out there, and the djs who play a broad spectrum (without you really noticing) are truly some of the best. (jay and jeff -your right on!)

Loco Dice does this well. He usually appears to play a tech or minimal sounding set, but usually half his tracks are really nice deep house pieces, and thats what I think brings a nice swing and groove to all of his sets.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* I have to agree with Adamo. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but where are the clubs that you're going to that keep playing the same stuff. The clubs that post events on TOTA may all seem to play the same music, but there are many other parties out there that AREN'T posted on TOTA. If you like a certain style of music, seek it out b/c it's more than likely out there. As I mentioned above, people who live in Toronto have nothing to complain about as they have club after club after club that play EDM, and bring in a wide variety of DJs. Windsor has one club that plays dance music. We don't have a choice. If you don't like the type of music one club places, check out one of the other ones.

I should have stated that it's also hard to find good trance releases these days due to most artists copying the style that I hate (see copy of my first post below).

I'm more upset about that rather than the actual club scene in Toronto.

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Originally posted by c-mal The best part about tech house is when the build up goes for almost a minute only to end in the same clicks, beeps and booms that preceded it. Usually the build-up isn't all that exciting, too (especially to a trance fan) Alot of Trance is following that motto these days, too, and it's really fucking annoying. Or theres a great melodic section which ends abruptly, back into monotonous garbage. Marcus Schossow is guilty of this. And the worst part is, that melodic part of the song usually sounds pretty badass, and he should keep rolling with it, but he doesn't.

Even the likes of JOC are turning in this direction.
I miss the days where JOC would make sick, melodic remixes ala Digital Delinquents - Forever (John O'Callaghan Remix)

Another person I've noticed who's changed his style a lot is Blake Jarrell.

Pretty much, a lot of producers whose new releases I'd used to always love are now pumping out a sound that they were never known for. A sound that sucks balls... IMO.

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Originally posted by PivotTechno There's mos def some quality Tech-House out there, you have to look to the likes of The Timewriter and Terry Lee Brown Jr. for a decent representation of the genre. Maas put out a bunch of solid releases on Soma as well.

Indeed, I like some of The Timewriter's stuff

Most producers dont even bother to record real instruments or even original vocals either for full vocals or even just dub vocals anymore. Thats half the problem right there.

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Originally posted by Cro_Addict This!! What sucks is that most DJ's in Windsor just follow the trend. 2 years ago all you could hear in town was Electro. And now all you hear is Tech-House.....same DJ's. It's kind of tiring.

You'll almost never hear me play tech house my friend lol

tech house is a broad term and has nothing to do with clicks and clacks.

go listen to old Jay Tripwire releases and you will understand that OP would not know what he was talking about if it took a shit on his chest.

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Originally posted by c-mal I should have stated that it's also hard to find good trance releases these days due to most artists copying the style that I hate (see copy of my first post below). I'm more upset about that rather than the actual club scene in Toronto.

lol it's funny you say that when there's an amazing trance party happening this weekend.

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Originally posted by lawrenceq You'll almost never hear me play tech house my friend lol

Too bad the jerk doesn't live here anymore

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* lol it's funny you say that when there's an amazing trance party happening this weekend.

I think you misread my post:

"I'm more upset about that [trance music releases] rather than the actual club scene in Toronto."

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Originally posted by c-mal I think you misread my post: "I'm more upset about that [trance music releases] rather than the actual club scene in Toronto."

I do have eyes. I saw it. And my opinion is that I still think it's funny you say that when Stoneface and Terminal and Ronski Speed are coming this weekend.

Your comment isn't making sense then, since I am pumped for friday and I'm also not all that concerned about the amount of upcoming Trance parties in the area (at least now).
That and Ronski's style hasn't deviated much from how he was years ago.

nah, I like it

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Originally posted by kaniz I think part of the problem is people releasing tracks as "DJ Tools / Dance Tracks" first, and "good music" second. If every song sounds the same, has the same structure, etc - it's easier to be played by less-skilled DJs and more likely to result in higher ratings on beat port/whatever. Load up the latest Vengeance Tech-House sample CD, cut up a few loops, layer a few effects in from Ableton and slap-on a preset baseline and you have a track that sounds like every other / mixes into every other track out there.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Most producers dont even bother to record real instruments or even original vocals either for full vocals or even just dub vocals anymore. Thats half the problem right there.

Bingo!

Much of the issue with today's electronic music is the disposable nature of it... new producers churning out paint-by-numbers tracks with little or no personality or originality. It's all about quantity over quality and the primary concern being beatport's charts rather than actually writing a good song that will stand the test of time... on top of that SO MUCH good music is overlooked on beatport because many dj's jump right to the top 100 of each genre.

With today's ease of use and affordable technology there should be NO EXCUSE for using these lame sample/loop cd's (the same ones being used again and again) or for sampling another artists work.
If you really love the music how about learning to play an instrument or two, and using your ears to teach yourself how to CREATE rather than imitate.

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Originally posted by knacker Bingo! Much of the issue with today's electronic music is the disposable nature of it... new producers churning out paint-by-numbers tracks with little or no personality or originality. It's all about quantity over quality and the primary concern being beatport's charts rather than actually writing a good song that will stand the test of time... on top of that SO MUCH good music is overlooked on beatport because many dj's jump right to the top 100 of each genre. With today's ease of use and affordable technology there should be NO EXCUSE for using these lame sample/loop cd's (the same ones being used again and again) or for sampling another artists work. If you really love the music how about learning to play an instrument or two, and using your ears to teach yourself how to CREATE rather than imitate.

Damn stright

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Originally posted by msz what a great thread, i must post in it.

you just made me laugh/crack up and for that I THANK YOU

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Originally posted by Adamo I'm tired of people bitching about being tired of a certain sound. If its that bad move to a country that caters to you tastes better and shut the fuck up.

someone's a bit crancky lol Maybe you should take your own advice.......if you don't like the thread just dont read it so that you wont get annoyed lol



who cares if people do not like a certain thing and start a thread about it even if they've done this many times before. That's what forums are there for people blah blah (just like me now lol) on forums and who ever is interested may join in...nothing to get crancky about.

Dj Sneak Live at Space32 Montr�al by user5390842

lots of tech house in this set, no clicks or clacks anywhere.

now shut the fuck up and read a book.

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Originally posted by bliksem someone's a bit crancky lol Maybe you should take your own advice.......if you don't like the thread just dont read it so that you wont get annoyed lol who cares if people do not like a certain thing and start a thread about it even if they've done this many times before. That's what forums are there for people blah blah (just like me now lol) on forums and who ever is interested may join in...nothing to get crancky about.

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