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Originally posted by IronDragon I'm pretty sure Joshua Ryan (producer of "Pistolwhip") is American so that's one for the states.

was just bout to say that

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Originally posted by BenTech its funny when sittin in front of my pc I usually am listening to alot of euro stuff but at a rave, all of the big euro djs I've seen have been disappointments, PVD was kinda boring, and oakenfold just plain sucked, while on the other hand ALL of my fav Djs to see live are from north america, I think anyone who has seen a Donalde Glaude show can vouche for how hard he throws it down, he is easily the best Dj to see live, chris lawrence prolly has spun the two best sets I've seen musically, and go to the DnB room while Diesel Boy or AK1200 is spinning, I'd trade a good live Dj for one that can produce a good studio track anyday

First of all AK1200 and Diesel Boy spin and produce the worse kind of dnb, i used to be a basshead myself back in the day. I live in Puerto Rico, which is the Ibiza of drum and bass, and have seen all of this people live thousands of times. They do not remotely compare to all the dnb Brits: Bad Company, Ed Rush & Optical, Cause4Concern, Concord Dawn, Andy C. etc.

Yes I admit that PVD can get boring sometimes, I fell asleep in Twilo once, but he still is PVD. Oakie sucks, tru. But Chris Lawrence is even more boring than PVD and Donalde Glaude is a clown ..

You probably don't even know what a party is supposed to be like if you haven't seen Tiesto live. Or any of the Dutchmen for that matter. Their crowd control and creation of ambiance is just simply out of this world.

And if you want an american producer, there is only one that is up to Euro standards: JOSH GABRIEL, period.

DJ PiO,

i think you are the only other american up here that understands me hehe. Josh Gabriel is a mother ****** of a producer. i'll even go a step further with this though. i'm getting tired of trance in general right now because it is all the god damn same. even my favorites like tiesto, PVD, armin etc. aren't doing it right now. i can't remember the last time i heard a song that just kicked me in the balls and couldn't stop listening to. i want some innovation in the music i listen to, something that differs from the norm, but still is just awesome.

as for you icebreaker, you are german right? well then who the fuck are you to talk about electronic music? other then PVD, i would say that all german shit is just that...shit. all that crappy hard shit coming out of there i'm surprised you said anything. lets face it, techno in america isn't as trendy as you might think. the listeners are few and far between, so really if anything, aren't you the one who has tried to hop on the band wagon listening to electronic just because some kid down the street told you about it. or maybe you were watching trance videos on tv and thought that it was so cool. really if americans listen to music to be cool they listen to puffy daddy and snoop dogg. so other then you dutchies out there no one else can really talk about american music.

trance is european, like black people are from africa. believe it or not, most amerian find trance quite boring. trance is not mainstream over here yet. Although we do have some good dj/producer, we do not have the prolific trance generator that europe has. But America owns everything else.

The Djs in america are just as talented as their European Brethren? You want proof? Go listen to Danny Tenaglia. One of the best DJs out there. Chris Lawrence ect.... Sure they don't play trance but trance isn't popular here in North America. I hear Delerium - Silence all the time but they never play the Tiesto ISOS mix, the ones they play are all progressive and such.

Also, don't rag on us Canadians either! We have Second Sun! (well, they were originally from Canada.)

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Originally posted by DJ P�O Yes I admit that PVD can get boring sometimes, I fell asleep in Twilo once, but he still is PVD.

I fell asleep more like 8 times at Sound Factory in Nyc, damm was I awake when I walked out of that club! none the less , he ruled!( I walked in the club so tired )

PvD we love you !

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Originally posted by icebreaker looooooool do americans really know anything about electronic music?..i think they pretend listening to that in order to be cool and being loved by some europeans....tzztzz usa usa

That comment really did piss me off. I am an American and I bet I know JUST AS MUCH about electronic music as you do. Just because people live in the USA doesn't mean we don't have the knowledge.

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in general american shit sucks, but someday it will become the standard as america always does

list some things
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i would say that all german shit is just that...shit. all that crappy hard shit coming out of there i'm surprised you said anything.

omg.....come on u fucking guys from the united states(the canadians know what good music really means...canada roxx!!)some times ago u heard from djs like pvd,buuren,marco v,maybe some other few eu-djs more and sb told u....eyy!! listen to that..eyyy this could be a new non-mainstream related music source where we can drop in and being different from all da other ppl here around who keep up with hearing music like b.spears,....pff i really dont care about us-sound..or some rap,hiphop ******s(b������h)....then we are different from them and we are da coolest boys running around ..btw yur statement shows me that u really know only a few djs from europe and maybe even 2 or 3 from germany..wow what a huge amount!!

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so other then you dutchies out there no one else can really talk about american music.

�hm..... ..yeah we are da dutchies..rofl
btw floorfiller get some little balls damn..so u dont have to think of being an dwarfed eunuch all da time
sincerely yours
icebreaker

OMG, what are all you people thinking? This isn't about comparing who is better or worse.... there goes everyones patriotism and natural instincts to get pissed easy
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Originally posted by atxhorn But America owns everything else.

Errr... you wanna explain that a bit?

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Originally posted by jesten The are few good american trance. Euro is the only way to go.

Agreed.
Jesten, I myself live in the USA, but for all its strengths, this country is behind Europe in many aspects, and one of them is electronic music and Trance.

Just like we still use inches and feet, whereas they use the standard metric system. Just like we have cable poles that get destroyed after each rainstorm, and they have all the cables safely tucked underground. Just like we don't have a well-developed transportation system, and they have buses, trams, trolleys, trains, etc. Just like there are very few Americans using cell phones or flat-panel monitors, compared to Europeans.

Whoa

Lets not forget that we are all on the same side here.
Everyone here likes trance no matter where it comes from.
so lets not turn this into a which country is better flame war!

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Originally posted by icebreaker list some things

omg.....come on u fucking guys from the united states(the canadians know what good music really means...canada roxx!!)some times ago u heard from djs like pvd,buuren,marco v,maybe some other few eu-djs more and sb told u....eyy!! listen to that..eyyy this could be a new non-mainstream related music source where we can drop in and being different from all da other ppl here around who keep up with hearing music like b.spears,....pff i really dont care about us-sound..or some rap,hiphop ******s(b������h)....then we are different from them and we are da coolest boys running around ..btw yur statement shows me that u really know only a few djs from europe and maybe even 2 or 3 from germany..wow what a huge amount!!

�hm..... ..yeah we are da dutchies..rofl
btw floorfiller get some little balls damn..so u dont have to think of being an dwarfed eunuch all da time
sincerely yours
icebreaker [/QUOTE]

icebreaker you know, i finally realized that you know me better then i know myself. you're right, i only like trance because i have this desire to be different and i want to be you. i don't have any other taste in music except trance i don't own any other type of genre especially nothing that is mainstream. all i know is that you have a great incite into my life and that i was very wrong to say mean things to you. i think you must be the smartest person on tranceaddict.

love,
floorfiller

ps. crappy german dj's...where would you like me to start.

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ps. crappy german dj's...where would you like me to start.

your list starts with the first and ends up to the 2cnd..mini-lol
but its ok..im not pissed off or annoyed because i know exactly that arrogant us persons despise euro stuff..and it mustn't be music!! i mean also culture or anything like that!!so its realy a wonder that some ppl from the us listening to electro..and even they are addicted to that..wow a little miracle popped up
so i have to praise such ppl like you who give this music over there a fairly chance but but but......when sb asks us we keep on denying that we like many eu-djs...only a few of course ..maybe none of them ,isn't it so?,because we are da proud americans yes,sir!
btw..some us-stuff is really marvelous..e.g.:futurama,simpsons,fast food,action movies,good porn movies and so on...on the other hand some things can be considered as "refusable"

Look guys,

American Trance is really just BT, D:Fuse, Christopher Lawrence, Sandra Collins, and George Acosta.

And I only rank BT of all of those guys, although D:Fuse has a chance of becoming good. The other 3 are just lacking the caliber, the quality of set contruction (and production) for me to consider them something worthwhile. I know they try, but they're either too bland or too amateur for my taste

The real problem is that its just too new here. There isn't much of a scene as-of-yet. Give it time. There's too big of a following for it not to happen.

-Rankin

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Originally posted by atxhorn trance is european, like black people are from africa... But America owns everything else.

Damn fucken right... just like bananas are tropical fruit, trance is european music, and no matter how hard you people try to come up with some decent US trance producers only 2-3 names come up (BT, Christopher Lawrence). Europe will always have shitload of better trance DJs because the whole continent is 3 years ahead of US in this game, and there is a huge market for trance over there too!

As for all other DJs mentioned here, they are either Progressive DJs, House/Tribal DJs or have nothing to do with Trance. Let's just keep it the way it has always been --> TRANCE = Europe, HOUSE = USA. When you start mixing those 2, you get into trouble... (it's like trying to come up with some great House/Tribal/Progressive DJs from Europe to match Satoshi Tomiie, Danny Tenaglia, etc.)

And America owns everything else? The only thing that America owns is basketball leagues and house music... everything else is just a bunch of bullshit, brainwashed overhyped ass-shit!

You don't agree with me on this one, go fu+k yourself! (am I arrogant or what?!)

i think europeans just want something to call their own, and so if americans are good at trance then trance isnt european so much any more... IMO. Are americans physically or mententally unable to make good trance or something? cause thats what it sounds like you guys are saying.
Anyway to answer the original question, yes.

Five AM have signed and are putting out a big vocal trance tune from two producers in NEW YORK. Its by a group called QED and I'd say it was more than competition for any european trance track in the same vain i.e. Ian Van Dahl.

I think the Americans have got the musical knowhow and equipment(lush studios over there!!) to compete with europe on trance now. I think as it gets more popular over there more producers will turn their hand to it.

Lets face it, most euro trance tracks have a pretty clear format and anyone who really had the motivation to put their mind to copying/imitating/developing on it would not have too much problem with the right equipment.

You actually consider Ian Van Dahl trance? Buhahhahaa....

errr...yes, LOL! what do you call it?
(*waits for opinionated heard it all before comments on chart trance* )

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Originally posted by TiestoInTheMix shall we talk about american league soccer now?

lol agreed

the day that the u.s. wins the world cup will be the day that american trance will get respect.

let's face it...the u.s. is far behind because we don't have the number of people into the trance scene, not because we "can't" make trance music. just like soccer/football, imagine if all of our athletes only played soccer...i'm sure we would finally get respect. the same goes for if most of our music artists went into trance.

imo...kimball collins is my favorite american dj, bt also has to be mentioned being great, george acosta is lame, christopher lawerence is in the same boat as george acosta, josh gabriel is decent, sandra collins is boring...

but again, this is a very short list...maybe it will inspire more upcoming djs from the states...

This debate is as pointless as discussing why your taste is better than somebody else's,and will always lead to flaming.If you like US Trance,cool!If you don't,by all means don't,but don't go around flaming someone who does.And do NOT get patriotism mixed up in this.

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Originally posted by demons errr...yes, LOL! what do you call it? (*waits for opinionated heard it all before comments on chart trance* )

I call it Euro Cheese...

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Originally posted by Rankin Look guys, American Trance is really just BT, D:Fuse, Christopher Lawrence, Sandra Collins, and George Acosta. And I only rank BT of all of those guys, although D:Fuse has a chance of becoming good. The other 3 are just lacking the caliber, the quality of set contruction (and production) for me to consider them something worthwhile. I know they try, but they're either too bland or too amateur for my taste The real problem is that its just too new here. There isn't much of a scene as-of-yet. Give it time. There's too big of a following for it not to happen. -Rankin

This is ridiculous. What about JOSH GABRIEL???? Are you people stupid, ignorant, deaf or something? Josh Gabriel is the ONLY American right now who's up to Euro standards. Hmmm, Tiesto's ISOS3 has not just one but THREE of his remixes. And not to mention Andain-Summer Calling.

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Originally posted by fantom You actually consider Ian Van Dahl trance? Buhahhahaa....

if it was underground it wouldn't be called trance, because it isn't trance, it's pop... Like VNV Nation for ex. They're underground, but they play catchy synthesiser pop with a dance beat.

check out Position High on MP3.com, they play the best synthpop.

Synthpop still lives

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