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Originally posted by RichieV it does everything I would ever do with a laptop.

you obviously don't play many live sets then do you.

Can't believe someone who usually isn't a troll is starting a mac vs PC debate. I thought that sort of thing was off limits.

what does your definition of live sets have to do with my desire of a of nice big pda? From someone that is above you in every musical endeavour you ever plan to pursue.... shut the fuck up ! I'm honestly so sick and tired dealing with with nobodies that make a pittance on Beatport. This rant is rated 7 beers and plus.

..aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand RichieV is officially a douchebag. About bloody time.

Aight .... Tell you what, me and my oscar nominated ass is out of hear.Go fuck yourselves, you dumb asinine fuckfaces. This is my last post.

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Originally posted by RichieV I'm honestly so sick and tired dealing with with nobodies that make a pittance on Beatport.

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Originally posted by RichieV Aight .... Tell you what, me and my oscar nominated ass is out of hear.Go fuck yourselves, you dumb asinine fuckfaces. This is my last post.

Oh thats why you are mad and drinking, you didnt win.. well maybe next time

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Originally posted by RichieV Aight .... Tell you what, me and my oscar nominated ass is out of hear.Go fuck yourselves, you dumb asinine fuckfaces. This is my last post.

Mate, nobody said anything about your music at all. However, your attitude towards others leaves a lot to be desired.

Congratulations on the Oscar nomination, but the size of your ego still makes you a colossal douchebag, regardless of your accomplishments.

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Originally posted by RichieV what does your definition of live sets have to do with my desire of a of nice big pda? From someone that is above you in every musical endeavour you ever plan to pursue.... shut the fuck up ! I'm honestly so sick and tired dealing with with nobodies that make a pittance on Beatport. This rant is rated 7 beers and plus.

Bahahaha, man, first you were talking about how it does anything a laptop does and now your saying you want it for a PDA? poor logic. Which is it, PDA or laptop? Even steve jobs doesn't seem to know, hence why its a failed concept.

Just on the offchance that you are serious though and that someone hasn't hijacked your account or your just fucking around; hope everything's ok dude, you don't really sound yourself...

C'mon kids.

when u open up windows it gets cold

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Originally posted by palm when u open up windows it gets cold

What if it's midday, during summer in a really hot country and your house is colder inside than the air temperature outside? Maybe you have good insulation...

not that I want to fan the flames, but the OP's question IS a mac vs PC debate (not that we need noahter one on here).

I have to say that even though it doesn't matter what you have, some of the BS spouted about the limitations of Mac's in this thread I actually beclieve about all the other PC brands that you all have mentioned.

Dell's are especially shit. Unless you're buying the XPS, which are even more overpriced that MPB's unless you call paying for LED lit fans "value", the build quality are poor, they have often poor choice of componentry and dealing with Dell is like fishing for ****s.

I actually contacted dell to spec a $5000 system for my business and when I very politely and diplomatically told the guy by email I didn't need the overpriced options he was speccing, and asked for some alternatives, he actually sent me a one line email saying "good luck then". Needless to say to he was going to need good luck with his line manager after I forwarded that email.

Two new asus laptops have died on me in the last 3 years.

Frankly, I think they all suffer from something in one way or another but you're deluded if you think that PC laptops are better value than mactops - it's just different criteria the same amount ofmoney is spent on.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN not that I want to fan the flames, but the OP's question IS a mac vs PC debate (not that we need noahter one on here). I have to say that even though it doesn't matter what you have, some of the BS spouted about the limitations of Mac's in this thread I actually beclieve about all the other PC brands that you all have mentioned. Dell's are especially shit. Unless you're buying the XPS, which are even more overpriced that MPB's unless you call paying for LED lit fans "value", the build quality are poor, they have often poor choice of componentry and dealing with Dell is like fishing for ****s. I actually contacted dell to spec a $5000 system for my business and when I very politely and diplomatically told the guy by email I didn't need the overpriced options he was speccing, and asked for some alternatives, he actually sent me a one line email saying "good luck then". Needless to say to he was going to need good luck with his line manager after I forwarded that email. Two new asus laptops have died on me in the last 3 years. Frankly, I think they all suffer from something in one way or another but you're deluded if you think that PC laptops are better value than mactops - it's just different criteria the same amount ofmoney is spent on.

I've heard of quite a few macs dying too, and no amount of reliability could induce me to spend that much extra for an inferior spec'd product. I think that *at this point* PCs are better value than macs. If apple release some quad core i7 macbook pros then I'll be happy to reconsider.

Agree on a general basis with your sentiment though.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN not that I want to fan the flames, but the OP's question IS a mac vs PC debate (not that we need noahter one on here). I have to say that even though it doesn't matter what you have, some of the BS spouted about the limitations of Mac's in this thread I actually beclieve about all the other PC brands that you all have mentioned. Dell's are especially shit. Unless you're buying the XPS, which are even more overpriced that MPB's unless you call paying for LED lit fans "value", the build quality are poor, they have often poor choice of componentry and dealing with Dell is like fishing for ****s. I actually contacted dell to spec a $5000 system for my business and when I very politely and diplomatically told the guy by email I didn't need the overpriced options he was speccing, and asked for some alternatives, he actually sent me a one line email saying "good luck then". Needless to say to he was going to need good luck with his line manager after I forwarded that email. Two new asus laptops have died on me in the last 3 years. Frankly, I think they all suffer from something in one way or another but you're deluded if you think that PC laptops are better value than mactops - it's just different criteria the same amount ofmoney is spent on.

I have a dell XPS M1710. It's built like a tank, components are great (bar the Firewire which is Ricoh, but it does the job with some soundcards).
I did only pay half price though

As Kit said, currently with the i3/5/7, PCs are better value for money simply because the processors are superior and they are more customisable.

If you love OSX then of course you would get a Mac (derrr) but you'd be an idiot to get a Mac in the current climate if you wanted to run Win7.

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Originally posted by kitphillips I've heard of quite a few macs dying too, and no amount of reliability could induce me to spend that much extra for an inferior spec'd product. I think that *at this point* PCs are better value than macs. If apple release some quad core i7 macbook pros then I'll be happy to reconsider. Agree on a general basis with your sentiment though.

But that's where the word "criteria" comes in.

Anyone that says one is better than the other is just being an ignorant twat.

If you like an incredible screen, superb build quality, good system stability, a decently usable on board soundcard, great battery life, and zero cahnce of a virus then mactop are the logical choice.

If you want raw processing, completely customizable options, large internal drives, better video options, more connectivity then PC's are better for you.

Frankly, I'll pay the money to have something that increases my owrkflow and I never have to worry about maintenance or virii. That's worth more to me than a few extra cycles in the CPU.

Oh yeah, and logic.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN But that's where the word "criteria" comes in. Anyone that says one is better than the other is just being an ignorant twat. If you like an incredible screen, superb build quality, good system stability, a decently usable on board soundcard, great battery life, and zero cahnce of a virus then mactop are the logical choice. If you want raw processing, completely customizable options, large internal drives, better video options, more connectivity then PC's are better for you. Frankly, I'll pay the money to have something that increases my owrkflow and I never have to worry about maintenance or virii. That's worth more to me than a few extra cycles in the CPU. Oh yeah, and logic.

No way dude. For me its a trade off between quality (performance, build quality, battery etc) and price, its got nothing to do with criteria. A good computer is a good computer.

At the moment the mactops can't compete when you compare the ratio of price to what you get. Unless you think OSX is a huge bonus, which frankly I think would be stupid. I think its AS good as windows, I wouldn't sacrifice 2 CPU cores and a decent graphics card just so I could run it.

You can certainly get incredible build quality, great screen, good stability, a decent soundcard with a PC. And you can have better specs to boot.

No one can beat macs for battery life, but thats not all that relevant to most of us producers.

On the mac's side is OSX and battery life, on the PC's, a good graphics card, and a newer processor with 2 more cores. Sorry, PC wins no matter what criteria you're going off IMO...

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Originally posted by DJ RANN But that's where the word "criteria" comes in. Anyone that says one is better than the other is just being an ignorant twat. If you like an incredible screen, superb build quality, good system stability, a decently usable on board soundcard, great battery life, and zero cahnce of a virus then mactop are the logical choice. If you want raw processing, completely customizable options, large internal drives, better video options, more connectivity then PC's are better for you. Frankly, I'll pay the money to have something that increases my owrkflow and I never have to worry about maintenance or virii. That's worth more to me than a few extra cycles in the CPU. Oh yeah, and logic.

Always find the "virus" comments funny, running my own custom built pc for about 5 years now - never once got a virus - and i dont run a virus scanner either

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Originally posted by evo8 Always find the "virus" comments funny, running my own custom built pc for about 5 years now - never once got a virus - and i dont run a virus scanner either

just cause it doesn't apply to you doesn't mean it's not (and shouldn't be a majore concern for lots of people)

and the same comment to kit... just because you think computer purchasing is black and white (good or bad) doesn't mean everyone does... things you value might be useless to others for example...

i completely agree with what rann said, and it's why i ended up getting a a mac.. i personally was willing to sacrifice minimal processing differences for overall system stability... again, it's personal opinion, and about personal work-flow, but that's exactly why the PC vs Mac argument is pointless and never ends...

EDIT: OH, and for logic too

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Originally posted by kitphillips On the mac's side is OSX and battery life, on the PC's, a good graphics card, and a newer processor with 2 more cores. Sorry, PC wins no matter what criteria you're going off IMO...

any person i've met doing graphics, or design at tertiary levels i've ever met have macs, and are told to get them by their universities... why would this be, if PCs have such amazing graphics cards??

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Originally posted by EgosXII just cause it doesn't apply to you doesn't mean it's not (and shouldn't be a majore concern for lots of people) and the same comment to kit... just because you think computer purchasing is black and white (good or bad) doesn't mean everyone does... things you value might be useless to others for example... i completely agree with what rann said, and it's why i ended up getting a a mac.. i personally was willing to sacrifice minimal processing differences for overall system stability... again, it's personal opinion, and about personal work-flow, but that's exactly why the PC vs Mac argument is pointless and never ends... EDIT: OH, and for logic too any person i've met doing graphics, or design at tertiary levels i've ever met have macs, and are told to get them by their universities... why would this be, if PCs have such amazing graphics cards??

What universities are you talking about? TU Delft ( seeing as you're also from Holland ) which is not a random university are promoting HP elitebooks with nVidea FX770M GPU for students. Good luck doing any serious CAD work on a MAC.

And the engineering software I run, runs faster under Windows than under OSX for some strange reason. Not only is there a difference in hardware processing power, but also a difference in sofware performance in different OS.

He's from Australia I think. He wants to be Dutch real bad though, that's for sure.

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Originally posted by EgosXII just cause it doesn't apply to you doesn't mean it's not (and shouldn't be a majore concern for lots of people)

Just saying that its not all down to the system, its down to how people run it and what they do with it, thats all

and just in case im coming across as being against Mac i have a lovely little MBP also and wouldnt swap it for anything

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Originally posted by evo8 Just saying that its not all down to the system, its down to how people run it and what they do with it, thats all

+1

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Originally posted by kitphillips No way dude. For me its a trade off between quality (performance, build quality, battery etc) and price, its got nothing to do with criteria. A good computer is a good computer. At the moment the mactops can't compete when you compare the ratio of price to what you get. Unless you think OSX is a huge bonus, which frankly I think would be stupid. I think its AS good as windows, I wouldn't sacrifice 2 CPU cores and a decent graphics card just so I could run it. You can certainly get incredible build quality, great screen, good stability, a decent soundcard with a PC. And you can have better specs to boot. No one can beat macs for battery life, but thats not all that relevant to most of us producers. On the mac's side is OSX and battery life, on the PC's, a good graphics card, and a newer processor with 2 more cores. Sorry, PC wins no matter what criteria you're going off IMO...

You kind of self defeated the post by opening with "for me" then saying it's not about criteria. What I'm trying to say, is that people look for different things in a platform or system.

To most producers they want stability and fast workflow - this is the main priority for anyone that is serious. I think processing power is becoming less of an overall issue as the rate at which CPU speeds have been growing has slowed dramatically over the last few years - the playing field is more level than ever.

That's why I believe that (as Egos said) the minimal trade off in slightly lesser CPU power to get system stability, OSX, Logic and an incredibly well designed system is worth it. Also, I don't see any of my producer friends struggling in terms of CPU power with their macbooks and any one of the DAW's they use. This indicates to me (at least anecdotally) that CPU power is not an issue with mactops.

Therefore the need for super CPU speed becomes less a point for criteria of making your platform selection.

I don't get how you can say battery life isn't an issue for consideration - we're talking about laptops not desktops. And yes, a lot of people will use them in a fixed situation but many have portable rigs where battery life is a big concern. I've got a brand new asus laptop and I get 2.5 hours if I'm lucky.

I've seen friends get 5hours+ out of their mactops.

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Originally posted by Storyteller He's from Australia I think. He wants to be Dutch real bad though, that's for sure.

dutch parents, though i was born in aus
Australia is a nationless state in a lot of ways (relatively new state, and filled with people who are essentially imigrants, like my family), and i identify more with dutch history which is technically my ancestry, but I don't speak dutch etc

i don't really see a problem with calling myself dutch in my circumstances, although i guess it's pretty stupid

to be called australian merely means you're an english or irish settler of 10 generations... that's just english or irish to me...

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Originally posted by Timothy What universities are you talking about? TU Delft ( seeing as you're also from Holland ) which is not a random university are promoting HP elitebooks with nVidea FX770M GPU for students. Good luck doing any serious CAD work on a MAC. And the engineering software I run, runs faster under Windows than under OSX for some strange reason. Not only is there a difference in hardware processing power, but also a difference in sofware performance in different OS.

yeah sorry, i was referring to the creative design/arts, such as graphic design, rather than engineering, which you are completely right now i think about it are done usually on PC for cad...

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Originally posted by EgosXII yeah sorry, i was referring to the creative design/arts, such as graphic design, rather than engineering, which you are completely right now i think about it are done usually on PC for cad...

That's not exactly right - I just finished a large project that involved architects, designers and engineers (structural) all using CAD for their own disclipines.

The designers and architects were all mac, and the engineers were all PC - no exceptions.

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