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Originally posted by R.j. You don't believe that, compared to, say, 70 years ago, the world population, due in part to the absence of this plethora of mindless entertainment that we have today, had the edge over today's world as far as intelligence goes?

Intelligence would be the same. Knowledge however, is greatly improved now than it was 70 years ago.

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Originally posted by R.j. Nope. I think the lack of the "sex" talk between the parent/child stems from the fact that the parent finds it shameful, or something to that effect. Why should people be ashamed of what's natural? And even if the parent is stupid, wouldn't a general "Sex isn't bad, but it should wait" be part of the common parenting duty?

well when you decide to come and play in reality with the rest of us, be sure to let us know.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Intelligence would be the same. Knowledge however, is greatly improved now than it was 70 years ago.

The capacity of intelligence remains the same. But exercising that capacity lowers.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well when you decide to come and play in reality with the rest of us, be sure to let us know.

What part of reality am I oblivious to?

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Originally posted by R.j.

I don't even know how to respond to most of what you're saying. I thought it was inherently obvious that education leads to knowledge, and that knowledge leads to the ability to make smart decisions. As for completely dismissing scientific studies... umm? Ok.

*sigh*

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Originally posted by R.j. The capacity of intelligence remains the same. But exercising that capacity lowers.

You have absolutely no credible evidence to suggest that people are less able to use their intelligence than they were at any time previously. Indeed, the improvement in social stratification and mobility in modern society is enough to posit that people now have more avenues for using their intelligence in areas they previously wouldn�t have had the opportunity in.

Sure, you can point to lazy kids spending all day fucking around with their playstation, but I think it�s a rather silly to try and generalise that anecdotal stereotype across people of all ages, or even people of the specific age you�re talking about.

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Originally posted by R.j. What part of reality am I oblivious to?

the part of reality that shows many parents are incapable of providing suitable and effective sex education for their children.

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Originally posted by R.j. You don't believe that, compared to, say, 70 years ago, the world population, due in part to the absence of this plethora of mindless entertainment that we have today, had the edge over today's world as far as intelligence goes?

No, I think that's absolute bullshit.

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Yeah. But it's still a problem, no?

Yes, but it's not in any way going to be solved by opposing sex education. Teenagers will fuck each other whether they know it's safe or not, that's reality. They'll still be distracted by drink, drugs, videogames and television.

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So that means we should automatically replace the parent with formal education? I say yes in that case, that's probably the best thing to do; and you'll probably say yes, too. What I don't like, however, is the fact that the "parent" role is gets replaced by school programs more and more. It's beneficial, I'll agree. But it sort of undermines the idea of parenting, doesn't it?

It doesn't "replace" the parent because the parent is not removed from the kid's life.

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Originally posted by Theresa I don't even know how to respond to most of what you're saying. I thought it was inherently obvious that education leads to knowledge, and that knowledge leads to the ability to make smart decisions. As for completely dismissing scientific studies... umm? Ok. *sigh*

It does. I agree with you 100%. I'm all for school, and I very much enjoy getting an education. But I think, as a human, that I'm sensible enough to educate myself in most areas where our human nature is concerned and not wholly rely on an institution to obtain my education as a whole.

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Originally posted by R.j. It does. I agree with you 100%. I'm all for school, and I very much enjoy getting an education. But I think, as a human, that I'm sensible enough to educate myself in most areas where our human nature is concerned and not wholly rely on an institution to obtain my education as a whole.

Well good for you, but the average kid who is beginning to learn about the sexual anatomy, as early as 6 or 7 mind you, doesn't have the capacities to do research on the subject, and be able to accurately discern what is and is not truth. Further, it is difficult to learn about something you don't know what you don't know about, like STDs etc.

I didn't even know that I had a uterus at 8 years old, but I knew of sex. Don't know how I would have been capable of finding out that I had one had it not been for someone telling me.

You can only educate yourself on the things you know about. You can't search out information on something you don't even know exists, and it is less likely to happen at the age when these kids need it most, in their youth. Not to mention that most kids can't be assed to bother and would inevitably just accept all of the stories they hear from their peers as truth instead.

This is why formal education exists to begin with.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN You have absolutely no credible evidence to suggest that people are less able to use their intelligence than they were at any time previously. Indeed, the improvement in social stratification and mobility in modern society is enough to posit that people now have more avenues for using their intelligence in areas they previously wouldn�t have had the opportunity in. Sure, you can point to lazy kids spending all day fucking around with their playstation, but I think it�s a rather silly to try and generalise that anecdotal stereotype across people of all ages, or even people of the specific age you�re talking about.

First off, I didn't say people are "unable" to use their brains. I'm saying that they're less willing to use their brains effectively.

I must be living in a rock, then, to gather that we, as a whole, are wasting our intelligence more so than we had in earlier times.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the part of reality that shows many parents are incapable of providing suitable and effective sex education for their children.

I never said parents are likely to provide their children sex education. In fact, I agreed with that argument.

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Originally posted by R.j. I like that. Anyway, I'll agree with you on that end. But what I won't agree with, however, is that Sex Ed. the miracle cure-all for teen-pregnancy. What I'm more concerned about, however, is the fact that every couple of years it seems as though the youth of this world becomes more and more decadent; and what I feel what Sex Ed. does is stall an inevitable point where the problem will be insufferable, rendering the the idea of sexual education useless. Also, Sex Ed., I think, is society's way of coping with the problem it and the media have created. In a way, or on some level or another, Sex Ed. encourages teenagers who do want to engage in sex just as long as it's "safe" sex. I don't care if people think that sex is normal (and yes, it 'is' normal); but we humans are intelligent enough to have enough sense to put off those natural 'tendencies' for more important matters, but teenagers don't think that way, I guess. At any rate, I'm naively imagining that sometime in the near future, perhaps, this sexed-up, vain and superficial society will die away like a fad. I don't think that'll ever happen.

Sex education is more about harm reduction than a "cure-all" for pregnancy.

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Originally posted by Theresa Well good for you, but the average kid who is beginning to learn about the sexual anatomy, as early as 6 or 7 mind you, doesn't have the capacities to do research on the subject, and be able to accurately discern what is and is not truth. Further, it is difficult to learn about something you don't know what you don't know about, like STDs etc.

I'm not talking about sexual anatomy. I've been under the impression that we're talking about the actual sex lives of these kids.

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Originally posted by R.j. I'm not talking about sexual anatomy. I've been under the impression that we're talking about the actual sex lives of these kids.

It includes everything. The sexual anatomy, how sex occurs, how to prevent STDs and pregnancy etc. etc.

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Originally posted by Theresa It includes everything. The sexual anatomy, how sex occurs, how to prevent STDs and pregnancy etc. etc.

Well, look, how are bodies work; that's about as interesting as one branch of education gets.

Now, how we're supposed to use how bodies properly, I think I'd rather figure that one on my own.

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Originally posted by R.j. Well, look, how are bodies work; that's about as interesting as one branch of education gets. Now, how we're supposed to use how bodies properly, I think I'd rather figure that one on my own.

I think this is foolish and promotes the stigmatization of sexuality. Not talking about it gives the insinuation that it shouldn't be talked about because it's taboo/bad etc.

And not saying anything about intercourse, means not saying anything about STDs and pregnancy, something kids DEFINITELY need to know about.

This is like saying, "you don't need to potty train a child. They'll figure it out on their own."

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Originally posted by R.j. I must be living in a rock, then, to gather that we, as a whole, are wasting our intelligence more so than we had in earlier times.

How are we "wasting" it? Do you think people in earlier times were constantly reading great literature and discussing philosophy? Go read Ulysses again - Leopold Bloom was the average man of the 1900s and he spends most his time thinking about food, reading crap pornography and wanking on the beach.

A lot of people in earlier times had no free time for using their intelligence because they had large families to feed and raise, a side-effect of a lot of fucking and no sex education.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J a side-effect of a lot of fucking and no sex education.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Why not make use of our modern privilege by keeping childhood a safe, quiet, and relatively sanitized place?

What makes you think that's good for the children?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J How are we "wasting" it? Do you think people in earlier times were constantly reading great literature and discussing philosophy? Go read Ulysses again - Leopold Bloom was the average man of the 1920s and he spends most his time thinking about food, reading crap pornography and wanking on the beach. A lot of people in earlier times had no free time for using their intelligence because they had large families to feed and raise, a side-effect of a lot of fucking and no sex education.

LOL. Why do you get so angry? While I wouldn't say they were allllll reading literature (but I'll confidently suppose that a greater deal were); I would say, however, that there was greater interest directed toward things of substance.

And Bloom is a genius compared to today's common man. His diversions are of base value, but those diversions, compared to today's common man, are not inordinate.

edit: Ulysses is a day-in-the-life of Bloom during the hypothetical most eventful day in Dublin. Given Bloom's intelligence, and despite his diversions that he indulges in that one particular day, I'm led to believe that his life, generally speaking, is rather more fulfilling on an intellectual level.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Intelligence would be the same. Knowledge however, is greatly improved now than it was 70 years ago.

But has the quality of the knowledge improved or have we merely discarded sustainable wisdom for largely superficial trim?

We've been to the moon, and seen the nether regions of the universe, but we're still too stupid to solve issues like overpopulation and the human-created demise of our ecology and environment. If anything, our so-called advancements have exacerbated our most pressing issues.

Science got us into this mess, wonder if it can get us out of it.

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Originally posted by Theresa I think this is foolish and promotes the stigmatization of sexuality. Not talking about it gives the insinuation that it shouldn't be talked about because it's taboo/bad etc. And not saying anything about intercourse, means not saying anything about STDs and pregnancy, something kids DEFINITELY need to know about. This is like saying, "you don't need to potty train a child. They'll figure it out on their own."

I think you're reaching too far with what I said. But that's your opinion. I'm not saying sex is bad, nor do I think it should be regarded as a taboo.

How old are you talking, though?

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Originally posted by R.j. I think you're reaching too far with what I said. But that's your opinion. I'm not saying sex is bad, nor do I think it should be regarded as a taboo. How old are you talking, though?

I think sexual education should start as early as 7 and all the way to 15 at least. Obviously starting out with the anatomy, moving up to the functions (periods, masturbation etc.) and then onto intercourse, oral/anal sex, STDs and how to be safe. Although I think it would awesome if they discussed sexual positions, fetishes and sex toys etc. too, I don't think that will ever happen, or at least not any time soon.

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Originally posted by Theresa I think sexual education should start as early as 7 and all the way to 15 at least. Obviously starting out with the anatomy, moving up to the functions (periods, masturbation etc.) and then onto intercourse, oral/anal sex, STDs and how to be safe. Although I think it would awesome if they discussed sexual positions, fetishes and sex toys etc. too, I don't think that will ever happen, or at least not any time soon.

Well, I respectfully disagree. Why would anyone want to rob children of their childhood by introducing such a complex and often times burdening concept such as sex?

13, I'm more comfortable, but highly ambivalent.

As I said, I'm not against the teaching of anatomy for children who are in their preteens. A brush upon the "intercourse" subject is, of course, necessary, because, as you said, the insinuation then becomes that sex is a dirty thing. It is, however, not the subject we want our teenagers TOO preoccupied with; and therefore we should introduce a more thorough study of the subject much later in high school.

But, again, I'll maintain that Sex Ed. is pretty much useless in the long run.

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Originally posted by R.j. But, again, I'll maintain that Sex Ed. is pretty much useless in the long run.

Ah, so like in African countries then?

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Originally posted by R.j. But, again, I'll maintain that Sex Ed. is pretty much useless in the long run.

*facepalm*

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