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Originally posted by jennypie Welp, 4 new Banksy pieces in New York. And guess who else was there recently?? That's right! Massive Attack! http://gothamist.com/2010/05/17/ban...p?gallery0Pic=2

I swear its 3D

Fuck yeah.

Do you have $999,999,000?! Find out who Banksy is lol...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Identity-Banksy...4#ht_500wt_1156

If I had the money I would pay just so I could give his identity to police so the criminal could get what he deserves.

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Originally posted by cammaxwell Yeah, I think in LA when you cross someone else name off it means their gonna get wacked. They cross it off before or after, can't remember....

A lot of Gangs will put up grafittis to tag the area they "own/deal in". So crossing them is considered an act of war by a rival gang.....and you know how gangs do things.


Grafittis are also read by the cops and help them figure out who runs certain areas and determine the gang activity and rivalry.

(I watch too much Gangland shows )

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced If I had the money I would pay just so I could give his identity to police so the criminal could get what he deserves.

haha, idiot.

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Originally posted by Adamo haha, idiot.

please elaborate on how I'm an idiot. I didn't know wanting someone to be held accountable for their illegal actions is being an idiot.

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Originally posted by Adamo haha, idiot.

I wouldn't say he's an idiot, it's just apparent that abstract forms of art are a concept very alien to the tea-party-esque ultra conservative mentality (which he clearly posses).

It's ok, certain people are into the whole draconian approach to things. It provides good humour. It's OK to go out and put yourself into a K-hole everytime you're out, but some guy painting on a wall needs to be punishable by jail-time.

Personally, Banksy can do his thing on any piece of property I own. I'm all for increasing the value of any property I have.

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Originally posted by Miss Pie Welp, 4 new Banksy pieces in New York. And guess who else was there recently?? That's right! Massive Attack! http://gothamist.com/2010/05/17/ban...p?gallery0Pic=2

kid with the quote is awesome

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced please elaborate on how I'm an idiot. I didn't know wanting someone to be held accountable for their illegal actions is being an idiot.

it's art, you waffle. Get on board the art wagon, im pretty sure if banksy drew something in your living room, it would only benefit you.

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Originally posted by slingshot I wouldn't say he's an idiot, it's just apparent that abstract forms of art are a concept very alien to the tea-party-esque ultra conservative mentality (which he clearly posses). It's ok, certain people are into the whole draconian approach to things. It provides good humour. It's OK to go out and put yourself into a K-hole everytime you're out, but some guy painting on a wall needs to be punishable by jail-time. Personally, Banksy can do his thing on any piece of property I own. I'm all for increasing the value of any property I have.

I'm all for abstract forms of art. If the person has the go ahead from the building owner to proceed then go nuts....but he does not have authority to do so....he is nothing more then a vandal....don't make him out to be something more then that.

When have I ever said its okay for anyone to go do illegal drugs. I could care less if people do illegal drugs but if you get caught doing something illegal accept the consequences.

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Originally posted by Engine9 it's art, you waffle. Get on board the art wagon, im pretty sure if banksy drew something in your living room, it would only benefit you.

Its only art if the owner of the property agrees to it being there. Its vandalism otherwise. If some "artist" came and drew a big cock on the front of your house I'm sure you would just say its art and would think nothing of it.

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Originally posted by RobSt*r I swear its 3D

maybe he just goes on tour with them. although that would be too perfect if it were him, i'm impressed he's lasted this long

Has anyone spotted any of his work?

some graffiti works are amazing. But if its on someones property who didnt ask for it, its a crime.

How would you like to spend a million dollars on a property only to have someone come along and deface it? Or $30 grand on a van or truck and have the same?

Funny thing is that im betting that there are many businesses that would love to have a talented artist paint their wall if they were only asked first. They may even pay them! One thing that needs to change to accomnodate this are the signage bylaws that stop that.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 some graffiti works are amazing. But if its on someones property who didnt ask for it, its a crime. How would you like to spend a million dollars on a property only to have someone come along and deface it? Or $30 grand on a van or truck and have the same? Funny thing is that im betting that there are many businesses that would love to have a talented artist paint their wall if they were only asked first. They may even pay them! One thing that needs to change to accomnodate this are the signage bylaws that stop that.

Thank You....finally someone else who actually understands....shit I may even have to vote conservative now.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 some graffiti works are amazing. But if its on someones property who didnt ask for it, its a crime. How would you like to spend a million dollars on a property only to have someone come along and deface it? Or $30 grand on a van or truck and have the same? Funny thing is that im betting that there are many businesses that would love to have a talented artist paint their wall if they were only asked first. They may even pay them! One thing that needs to change to accomnodate this are the signage bylaws that stop that.

So you don't see a distinction between art and graffitti? I do...regardless if it's 'warranted' by the store owner. If the public near the building owner's shop or area loves it what's the owners' problem?? You'll say the problem is illegal but it's only so because the owner has a problem with it. My thing is WHY do they? It's art...it's not some gangland BS.

The manager or owner of finn mccool's where banksy's only remaining TO art is still standing was going to paint over it if it weren't for a photographer who told him the value of it.

If you go there now and see it there should be a plastic cover screwed into place protecting it...

See this:

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Originally posted by Endlesswave So you don't see a distinction between art and graffitti? I do...regardless if it's 'warranted' by the store owner. If the public near the building owner's shop or area loves it what's the owners' problem?? You'll say the problem is illegal but it's only so because the owner has a problem with it. My thing is WHY do they? It's art...it's not some gangland BS. The manager or owner of finn mccool's where banksy's only remaining TO art is still standing was going to paint over it if it weren't for a photographer who told him the value of it. If you go there now and see it there should be a plastic cover screwed into place protecting it...

So you have one person who does artful graffiti and others see it and decide to do their own graffiti there. My problem would be that the person did not have permission to do it. If the person came to me and simply asked if they could I would ask to see some of their other work and if I liked it I would say sure....hell I would probably even pay them for their time.

The cost to properly remove spray paint from a building isn't cheap. I had an insurance claim for someone who had graffiti removed from the brick on their house. The total cost was over $3,000.00.

I bought banksy's book and watched his documentary. both great pieces. i love this work, humor and creativity.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave So you don't see a distinction between art and graffitti? I do...regardless if it's 'warranted' by the store owner. If the public near the building owner's shop or area loves it what's the owners' problem?? You'll say the problem is illegal but it's only so because the owner has a problem with it. My thing is WHY do they? It's art...it's not some gangland BS. The manager or owner of finn mccool's where banksy's only remaining TO art is still standing was going to paint over it if it weren't for a photographer who told him the value of it. If you go there now and see it there should be a plastic cover screwed into place protecting it...

The difference is very easy to distinguish:

Art: A piece of work that was commissioned by a property owner regardless of whether or not some people may consider it to be "graffiti."

Graffiti: Any unwanted alteration of property by means of paint, marker, sticker, or any other permanent impression regardless of whether or not some people consider it to be "art".

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced So you have one person who does artful graffiti and others see it and decide to do their own graffiti there. My problem would be that the person did not have permission to do it. If the person came to me and simply asked if they could I would ask to see some of their other work and if I liked it I would say sure....hell I would probably even pay them for their time. The cost to properly remove spray paint from a building isn't cheap. I had an insurance claim for someone who had graffiti removed from the brick on their house. The total cost was over $3,000.00.

So protect the artful graffiti and screw the rest. If I owned the building and it was a mural whether or not I approved I'd keep it.


Jay: Art for me doesn't have to be commissioned if it's good graffiti. People that don't get this don't see the merit imo.

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Originally posted by Endlesswave So protect the artful graffiti and screw the rest. If I owned the building and it was a mural whether or not I approved I'd keep it.

so then who defines what is art and what isnt? The property owner? The city? The guy next door? I say its the property owner. So then why cant the property owner decide upfront whether or not they want this art?

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Jay: Art for me doesn't have to be commissioned if it's good graffiti. People that don't get this don't see the merit imo.

whats good and what isnt? Isnt art supposed to be subjective to its audience? So who gets to decide what is good and what isnt?

Why cant the owner of the property decide this beforehand?

The point of graffiti (unlawfully defacing property) essentially is leaving a mark. Not much difference than which dog can leave the bigger piss on the fire hydrant to be honest.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 so then who defines what is art and what isnt? The property owner? The city? The guy next door? I say its the property owner. So then why cant the property owner decide upfront whether or not they want this art?

They can decide. If they don't think it's art then pay (or do it themselves) to have it removed.

Also who defines what is/isn't art? Art galleries. (Look at how much his shit sold for in auctions...hundreds of thousands of pounds).

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Originally posted by Endlesswave Jay: Art for me doesn't have to be commissioned if it's good graffiti. People that don't get this don't see the merit imo.

I can appreciate good graffiti but I don't understand why it would be so hard for these "artists" to at least ask the building owners first. I would actually respect them for asking for permission.

What most of you forget is that the majority of graff artists don't give a flying fuck what you think of their tactics. The whole notion of graffiti is rooted in anti-establishmentarianism and is one of the original 4 B-boy/girl elements.

You can't have yin without yang, and you can't expect to live in a crowded urban environment and not have a bunch of people who think that the landscape that surrounds them looks a little more colourful and interesting with the addition of some guerilla artwork.

It always amazes me that people who live in large cities expect space, quiet and cleanliness.

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