now imagine in the future if the virus was on a chip that controlled a pacemaker, or some augmentation or implanted communication device that becomes a standard or 'chic', like an iphone...
Posted by Kismet7 on May-26-2010 15:34:
i feel chipped already
Posted by Lira on May-26-2010 15:41:
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Originally posted by Kismet7
i feel chipped already
YES< AND THEY~RE OUT TO GET YOU< RUN< RUN< RUN!!!!
Posted by Kismet7 on May-26-2010 15:41:
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Originally posted by nefardec
addendum, and more on the ills of biotechnology:
now imagine in the future if the virus was on a chip that controlled a pacemaker, or some augmentation or implanted communication device that becomes a standard or 'chic', like an iphone...
kinda how bigger boobs gets teh job done. 'chic' becomes a broader necessisty through media propaganda, as the thing to do with oneself.
not sure if you've heard of Aaron Russo, but he says the future goal of the powers that be is a chip installed in everyone's hand. interview is on youtube. who told him this? A Rockefeller. You're gonna love technology much more someday.
Posted by Kismet7 on May-26-2010 15:43:
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Originally posted by Lira
YES< AND THEY~RE OUT TO CONTROL YOU< RUN< RUN< RUN!!!!
i'd tell you to run but you seem shackled already. shackled and enjoying it! eh? Posted by Lira on May-26-2010 15:45:
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Originally posted by Kismet7
i'd tell you to run but you seem shackled already. shackled and enjoying it! eh?
Does not compute. The government would never want me to run away. This chip in my head tells me Obama is the great leader of the New World Order.
Hail the new leader! Hail the New World Order! Hail the Rockafellers!
Oink!
Posted by torontotrance on May-26-2010 15:50:
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Originally posted by Lira
YES< AND THEY~RE OUT TO GET YOU< RUN< RUN< RUN!!!!
My issue is that whatever technology created is whored by big medical companies. They exploit it so badly now. I understand r and d costs are thru the roof.But.....
Sir Alexander Fleming sold his discovery to a company for a dollar.
My other issue is that once you open pandora's box, you cannot close it.
Posted by Kismet7 on May-26-2010 15:56:
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Originally posted by Lira
Does not compute. The government would never want me to run away. This chip in my head tells me Obama is the great leader of the New World Order.
Hail the new leader! Hail the New World Order! Hail the Rockafellers!
Oink!
Aaron Russo > Lira
Nothing else.
Posted by nefardec on May-26-2010 16:05:
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Originally posted by Kismet7
not sure if you've heard of Aaron Russo, but he says the future goal of the powers that be is a chip installed in everyone's hand. interview is on youtube. who told him this? A Rockefeller. You're gonna love technology much more someday.
see this is where i definitely dont agree with you.
there are no 'powers that be'.
people themselves are the powers that be, and they control themselves by craving and consuming things.
if people didnt actually want medical devices implanted in them or wouldn't find it useful, no one would have any economic incentive to produce or research them.
no need for tinfoil hats here, it's quite simple and rational. freedom is an individual choice everyone has, at the expense of being lazy.
Posted by Kismet7 on May-26-2010 16:10:
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Originally posted by nefardec
see this is where i definitely dont agree with you.
there are no 'powers that be'.
people themselves are the powers that be, and they control themselves by craving and consuming things.
if people didnt actually want medical devices implanted in them or wouldn't find it useful, no one would have any economic incentive to produce or research them.
no need for tinfoil hats here, it's quite simple and rational. freedom is an individual choice everyone has, at the expense of being lazy.
^ridiculous. in context to people being coaxed, coerced, propaganized, solicited, induced to find interest or lose interest in things. Especially, from people and mediums they have grown to trust.
Never met any sheep? i can list examples of people's choices being made for them, products being made before a demand, interest being generated without there being any to begin with. let me know if you cant think something.
In the Russo interview I speak of, he talks about the Rockefeller's (whom he was friends with) creating The Women's Liberation movement. Research that and then come back and tell me you still stand by the ridiculous post i've quoted. There are definately powers that be lol. It goes with the human nature to create tribes to protect territory, culture, resources, and interests. This tribe (gang in this case) is no different in their nature to protect their interests, territory/property, ideaologies, resource attaining and developing culture. Just look at your habits in music. You buy and download music (taking up resources), you form friendships with people with similar tasts (create a tribe), you bash other music you dont like, you're just doing what they're doin at a micro level, so why would'nt they do it at a macro level, through their power and business and resource constructed interests? We're talking about humans here.
Posted by Omega_Blue on May-26-2010 16:25:
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Originally posted by nefardec
addendum, and more on the ills of biotechnology:
now imagine in the future if the virus was on a chip that controlled a pacemaker, or some augmentation or implanted communication device that becomes a standard or 'chic', like an iphone...
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re: This is like putting a cancerous piece of skin on a Car's Chassis and saying that a car can get cancer.
Posted by nefardec on May-26-2010 16:43:
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Originally posted by Omega_Blue
yeah, and in the 1800s people used to try to fly by strapping wings to their arms.
what's your point? you think this technology won't advance to a point where it becomes an issue? now is the time to ask the important questions.
Posted by Lira on May-26-2010 16:44:
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Originally posted by Kismet7
Aaron Russo > Lira
Nothing else.
Lies, this is not on Youtube! Posted by nefardec on May-26-2010 16:46:
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Originally posted by Kismet7
^ridiculous. in context to people being coaxed, coerced, propaganized, solicited, induced to find interest or lose interest in things. Especially, from people and mediums they have grown to trust.
Never met any sheep? i can list examples of people's choices being made for them, products being made before a demand, interest being generated without there being any to begin with. let me know if you cant think something.
you are so absurdly paranoid. who do you think is coming up with the interests to be generated? it's your neighbor, not some guy in a dark control room.
and your neighbor who convinces you that you want to eat a hamburger from mcdonalds gets convinced by someone else that he should listen to lady gaga, etc.
stop this insane conspiracy garbage. there's no conspiracy, just a bunch of real people caught up in their own complex racket, trying to take care of themselves and those they care about.
Posted by Kismet7 on May-26-2010 16:47:
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Originally posted by nefardec
yeah, and in the 1800s people used to try to fly by strapping wings to their arms.
what's your point? you think this technology won't advance to a point where it becomes an issue? now is the time to ask the important questions.
Right technology will advance, and forget the freedom angle you took previously. Whats the point of freedom when human nature and intelligence (relative to a person's perception) supercedes the interest in freedom?
Posted by Kismet7 on May-26-2010 16:53:
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Originally posted by nefardec
you are so absurdly paranoid. who do you think is coming up with the interests to be generated? it's your neighbor, not some guy in a dark control room.
and your neighbor who convinces you that you want to eat a hamburger from mcdonalds gets convinced by someone else that he should listen to lady gaga, etc.
stop this insane conspiracy garbage. there's no conspiracy, just a bunch of real people caught up in their own complex racket, trying to take care of themselves and those they care about.
lol...did someone takeover your acccount? you sound just like these zombie shills all of a sudden. new avatar new mind?
fuck the paranoid shit, no one is paranoid. I have logical reasoning and evidence to back up my beliefs. do you just sit around believing the world works the way your TV set tells you it works? because of course if you're living based on what you read in newspapers and tv, anything outside of it would be conspiracy theory and paranoia, when it could'nt be furthur.
Posted by Lira on May-26-2010 17:01:
IT HAS BEGUN, KISMET7!!! HE'S GOT A CHIP IN HIS HAND AND IT IS INFECTED BY A VIRUS!!!
Posted by nefardec on May-26-2010 17:06:
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Originally posted by Kismet7
fuck the paranoid shit, no one is paranoid. I have logical reasoning and evidence to back up my beliefs.
evidence for what?
Posted by Lira on May-26-2010 17:08:
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Originally posted by nefardec
evidence for what?
Youtube videos, duh! He's not doing what his television set tells him to, he knows better
(Really, can we get back to a serious discussion now?)
Posted by Kismet7 on May-26-2010 17:11:
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Originally posted by nefardec
evidence for what?
"teh conspiracy theories" that i've apparently mentioned in this thread. Like the Womens Liberation movement being orchestrated.
And why are you being selective in what you reply to, getting boring. Just go look into what i've already mentioned, like the Aaron Russo (filmmaker) 1 hour 35 min interview.
Posted by nefardec on May-26-2010 17:12:
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Originally posted by Kismet7
And why are you being selective in what you reply to, getting boring.
because i only take issue with certain parts of what you say..
i can't believe your conspiracy theories extend to my change of avatar! Posted by Chimney on May-26-2010 17:36:
When I worked on the final highschool paper in biology with a friend (subject was about gerontology) we had the opportunity to interview a retired doctor that had written several books on the subject.
He was very vague in his comments and stated that even if the path to eternal youth would be discovered some day - a thing which he was highly skeptical about - it would have serious ethic consequences. Who would get to have eternal life? Would we risk overpopulating our planet? Is it morally correct et cetera.
Posted by Omega_Blue on May-26-2010 18:18:
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Originally posted by nefardec
yeah, and in the 1800s people used to try to fly by strapping wings to their arms.
what's your point? you think this technology won't advance to a point where it becomes an issue? now is the time to ask the important questions.
and they were way, way off, and flying didn't become a reality for another 100 years.
if the scientist did this exercise to try to prove a point, he really proved nothing until that technology has some sort of widespread practicality. all i'm seeing is a guy who purposely locked himself out of his office by inserting a program to corrupt his little microchip keychain. let's look at the lead of the article- "a british scientist claims to have become the first human to be infected by a computer virus." it's misleading. he wasn't personally infected with a computer virus. he infected the chip, and then put it in his arm. it's like knowingly putting a defective car part in your car, and then when the car breaks down, going "LOOK! LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CAR PARTS GO BAD!!!"
technology may and perhaps will advance to that point, but i would argue that with this particular case, it's too soon to tell what the future will hold, and that we shouldn't jump the gun and automatically assume that our future is going to be some sort of philip k. dick dystopia.
Posted by nefardec on May-26-2010 19:07:
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Originally posted by Omega_Blue
technology may and perhaps will advance to that point, but i would argue that with this particular case, it's too soon to tell what the future will hold, and that we shouldn't jump the gun and automatically assume that our future is going to be some sort of philip k. dick dystopia.
you're equating raising important questions with 'automatically assume that our future is going to be some sort of philip k. dick dystopia'
strawman, man
Posted by Omega_Blue on May-26-2010 19:31:
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Originally posted by nefardec
you're equating raising important questions with 'automatically assume that our future is going to be some sort of philip k. dick dystopia'
strawman, man
it was meant to be a joke, dude. i knew i was going to get a response like that. next time i'll add a "lol" at the end
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