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Re: Re: Re: Where does the human spirit go when someone dies?

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Originally posted by Capitalizt tunnel vision and a "white light" are what you experience when your brain is deprived of oxygen (when the brain is dying basically). Military test pilots have had the same experience when put in those big centrifuges to test their stress limitations.. There's nothing mystical about it. Naturally religions have heard these stories though and invented silly stories about your family being at the other end of the "tunnel". It's wishful thinking, which is perfectly understandable but not surprising.

your peripheral vision is one of the first noticeable things to go. hence, tunnel.

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Originally posted by Lira Actually, Oscar, I need to side with nefardec on this one: if "enhancement of life" rather than "fear of death" were the motor behind the advancement in these fields, the necessary technology to keep people barely alive through tubes and catheters would have never been created. The "denial of death" (to borrow Becker's term) has been one of the most powerful drives to master the world we've ever acknowledged. ps.: That's one of the best books I've ever read. It's simply amazing

yeah, we'd have robotic unicorns and jet skis that could fly. speaking of which, any progress on those lately?

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Originally posted by shaw yeah, we'd have robotic unicorns and jet skis that could fly. speaking of which, any progress on those lately?

Here's the current working prototype.

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Originally posted by shaw yeah, we'd have robotic unicorns and jet skis that could fly. speaking of which, any progress on those lately?

I can't speak for the jet skis but always, I wanna be with you. And make believe with you.

And live in harmony, harmony, oh love!

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Originally posted by chlola Because a close friend buried her young son today. And I would like to think there is a 'reason' this took place.

The �reason� she buried her son today was because he was dead, shit-for-brains.

If it's been good- Heaven

If it's been bad- Manchester.

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Originally posted by saymyname If it's been good- Heaven If it's been bad- Manchester.

I'm pretty sure the spirits go to Australia.

THE GRILL IS BURNING OH YEAH HUNGRY JACK'S OH YEAH OH YEAH!

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Originally posted by Sushipunk

The "Human Spirit" is not a thing, it's a concept.. it's a vague term we lazily use to describe real, physical, emotional phenomena that most people are happier to call "magic" and "unseen forces" and be done thinking about it, than try to figure it out.

Are the things which the term "spirit" refers to (i.e. emotions, human irrationality, etc.) real? Yes. Are they unseen, mystical or incomprehensible? Not in the fucking slightest.

Your spirit goes with your body, usually buried underground and hanging out with worms.

ITT: A lot of claims. Nothing to back them up.

I'll stay on the fence, thank you very much.

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Originally posted by Marcus Summers ITT: A lot of claims. Nothing to back them up. I'll stay on the fence, thank you very much.

if someone claims that souls exist the onus is on them to prove it, not everyone else to disprove it. what else, other than passed down mythology suggest they do exist?

HERESY!

R'lyeh

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Originally posted by Marcus Summers ITT: A lot of claims. Nothing to back them up. I'll stay on the fence, thank you very much.

Yep.

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if someone claims that souls exist the onus is on them to prove it, not everyone else to disprove it. what else, other than passed down mythology suggest they do exist?

What I want to know is this: how do the people in here who boldly assert that no soul/spirit exists prove they're right?

And remember: this is a question beyond religion and mythology. We're talking about a 'thing' that we can't see but is very real because, well, 'something' inside of us, whether you're a(n) believer/atheist/existentialist/nihilist/etc., is driving us on both a conscious and unconscious level, as cheesy as that sounds.

Yes, there is something inside us that's driving us on a conscious and unconscious level, that contains everything we are emotionally, intellectually and so forth. Its called a brain. And it comes with an expiration date.

I'd say that something 'drives' us, as well. You can call this the unconscious, you can call this selfish genetic structures designed to replicate themselves in the most successfully volatile combinations given environmental settings and stress demand, or you could just call this a soul, which admittedly has a lot of very mystical, socially-transmissive connotations, but doesn't mean much because it's so very vague. Or maybe that's the entire point.

Regardless, people go to the same place as the flowers strewn over their gravesites do. But that is not necessarily a negative thing - to become the ground, the earth, dissemination towards unknown gravities and states of being or non-being, whereby perceived consciousnesses grab at the roots of reality upon their plummet, grasping to make sense of existence as though it would make a difference. Sometimes, it is rather comforting knowing that you probably know just as much about the true nature of things as a tree does.

I think a more interesting question would be: do souls have colours yet unseen to us? Sounds never heard until that final tear through the visage of the consensus time phenomenon in which we share thoughts with one another? Do souls feel? Are they merely ferried by a unifying force one might call 'God' or is he still a silent passenger even in the all-feeling inexistence of death as we might know it?

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Originally posted by R.j. Yep. What I want to know is this: how do the people in here who boldly assert that no soul/spirit exists prove they're right? And remember: this is a question beyond religion and mythology. We're talking about a 'thing' that we can't see but is very real because, well, 'something' inside of us, whether you're a(n) believer/atheist/existentialist/nihilist/etc., is driving us on both a conscious and unconscious level, as cheesy as that sounds.

yeah man, there's a magical abacus that gets to work every time sperm meets an egg, and gives that fertilised egg special properties outside biology.

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Originally posted by Moongoose Yes, there is something inside us that's driving us on a conscious and unconscious level, that contains everything we are emotionally, intellectually and so forth. Its called a brain. And it comes with an expiration date.

I meant that we're aware of that "drive" consciously or (the correct word) subconsciously. But, yes, my wording and phrasing were incorrect.

We are all essentially star dust anyway and constantly share atoms. What you are now is what was around at the start of the universe and will be around forever. Whether there's "souls" or anything, well we will never know so no point stressing about it.

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Originally posted by R.j. What I want to know is this: how do the people in here who boldly assert that no soul/spirit exists prove they're right? And remember: this is a question beyond religion and mythology. We're talking about a 'thing' that we can't see but is very real because, well, 'something' inside of us, whether you're a(n) believer/atheist/existentialist/nihilist/etc., is driving us on both a conscious and unconscious level, as cheesy as that sounds.

So you'd believe in Russell's teapot?

Since yesterday I tend to believe that it eventually goes to a big nice church, dancing around with old friends!

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Since yesterday I tend to believe that it eventually goes to a big nice church, dancing around with old friends!

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Since yesterday I tend to believe that it eventually goes to a big nice church, dancing around with old friends!

And Tiesto is spinning at the podium?

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